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After the game is one thing, during what is supposed to be the heat of battle is another.

... why am I getting into this .... why am I getting into this...

...oh well...

What really started the criticism of Brooks -leadership- was what he said after Turley came to his aid in the Jets game. Heavy criticism on his play didn't really start until the 2002 season, and it started mainly because he had all the physical skills you could ask for in a QB, but didn't know how to use them to effectively be a QB in the NFL. Just imagine if Brees was 6'4" and could launch it 70 yards off his back foot...

... and as usual, at one point it turned into a racial thing, because some black people cannot stand hearing any white people criticizing a brotha, because that's racist, ya know? White people should not even look funny at black people , because that's racist. If you are white, you are supposed to say only good things about back pleople, and forgive black people of any wrongdoing, because they are black.

... myself, I am going to see how this season turns out, before I start making any comments about Drew Brees. After all, he's played 21 games as a Saint, and Brooks had 5 years.
"Yeah, but Brooks is black, TR"..
Oh, my bad. In that case... The ***** set him up!!!!!

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Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 (Post 140657)

he's flipping burgers with Elvis.

ROFL

I wouldn't want that burger. I'm sure it's been fumbled to the floor multiple times.

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Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy (Post 140636)

I said comparing Brees to Brooks is ludicrous - and I meant it. And I stand by that - because Brooks is not even in the same ballpark as Brees. Literally. Brooks is unemployed for a reason. He had his chance, multiple chances - and fizzled. It's simply ludicrous to compare them.

I'm not going to argue that Brees has played well. He most certainly has not. And agreed, whether Brees is probowl caliber or not, no one would play well behind this O Line. I don't care if it was Brees, Brooks, Montana, Marino, or God himself.

"Brooks played behind a horrible O-Line too, and you never heard about it" -- tha's because everyone was already busy - busy talking about how STUPID Brooks was. He played like a moron. All the physically attributes in the world, could've been a star - but instead he was hamstrung by a sixth grade mentally-handicapped moron. And I know. I met him. I spoke with him. Not only was he slow - he was a complete mental disaster. A poster child special education. I've encoutered rocks with more intellectual capacity.

And I believe THAT is why you didn't hear about the O Line in his day.

Please.... let this topic die. We'll have to agree to disagree. This is getting old.

You said it, and you meant it. Yippie for you! I wonder if by 'fizzled' you mean, oh, I don't know, something like the way Brees is playing at the moment?

Now, would you compare Brees to Marino? Careful, cause the 'ol wonderlic argument will bite you square on the 'ol buttocks, you know?

You say Brooks was 'STUPID' based on your opinion of him when you met him. Wonder what he thought of you...or did you have the Brass One's at that moment to tell him how you feel...or did you shake his hand? Why might I think of you pending your answer? Makes me wonder...but I bet I know.

Still waiting on you to answer a simple question: Did Brooks ever have three games as bad as Brees' last three...or maybe even 4 counting the Chicago game last year? Never you mind, because we all know the answer.

You do know Brooks led the team to an AVERAGE of 29 points a game in his second to last year here don't you? Not too shabby for a, um...'MORON'. Stupid is as Stupid does eh? Our defense cost us that season, plain and simple, and yet you guys...and yes you were one of them...consistently redirected the issue to the QB.

Keep in mind, I'm not calling out Brees. I'm a fan of the man. See, I recognize there are many factors that reflect the play of a given player. Some don't. No problem. And that, my friend, is what's really ludicrous. :)

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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 140616)

Off topic, where have you been, saintfan? I appreciate your posts and have seen little of them for a while.

Thanks for the shout ice. I've been around. Got banned for taking it to a few moderators here and there, but I've been lurking everywhere. I've been extremely busy the last year and a half since the company I work for got bought out. Just been watching some of these arguments since we've been playing so poorly and can't...hold...it...back...no...mo!

"... and as usual, at one point it turned into a racial thing, because some black people cannot stand hearing any white people criticizing a brotha, because that's racist, ya know? White people should not even look funny at black people , because that's racist. If you are white, you are supposed to say only good things about back pleople, and forgive black people of any wrongdoing, because they are black."

WTF are we coming to here?

Apparently, there are folks here that have 'issues' that go FAR beyond disagreeing on parity of treatment of QB's. This, and some of the other things I've read on this thread is nothing but venom. Pure and simple. Perhaps the moderator needs to kill this thread before it really gets stuck on stupid.

Sadly, I come to these boards to commiserate with fellow B&G followers and discuss the game we all love. I don't expect everyone to hold hands and sing 'We Are the World', but thinly veiled bigotry on either side really has NO place here.

Excuse me while I try to figure out where this all went wrong...

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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 140667)

..and apparently, these folks are Mexican, and see the race issue on a different light.

What's going on? This is what's called an 0-3 start. You know where everyone turns into a head coach. Same as it was before and during the draft. I don't mind the differing opinions, after all opinions are like a_sholes, everybody's got one and they all usually stink. When the debate turns nasty or gets out of hand, i'll just lock the thread. So you guys play nice.

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 140664)

and yes you were one of them...consistently redirected the issue to the QB.

Please check your history SF. I was one of the supporters of Brooks. You don't remember that, do you? I once posted he was sufficient to get us to the SB, if the rest of the team played well. And I was most definitely %100 wrong, humiliated I am that I ever said that. It was only later that I learned what a complete failure that man was.

So please, before you bash me in the future, make sure what you're saying is actually correct.

It's everyone's fault but most importantly the coaching staff. After game one Payton had an idea his game plans from last year would not work, we all did and he should really know that last year leftovers are not going to work this year after getting raped by the Bucs and Titans on Monday night in September no less.

Coach change the game plan dramatically or the season is lost.