What To Do About The O-line

papz · 10-08-2007, 10:48 AM

Besides that Jamal Brown call, I thought our line played very well. They couldn't run or throw the ball on us. Dropped balls and lack of execution on their side of the field hurt us. Though we lost, I saw a lot of improvement out there.

Euphoria · 10-08-2007, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Besides that Jamal Brown call, I thought our line played very well. They couldn't run or throw the ball on us. Dropped balls and lack of execution on their side of the field hurt us. Though we lost, I saw a lot of improvement out there.

NO the O line has major flaws. They aren't blocking. You have to watch them play not go by the score of the game or stats. When you have Faine and other saints linemen in the flat with 2 pathers to block only 2 on 2 as your TE catches a screen pass behind them. All they have to do is engage in blocks at minimum. You would think they would go and level these guys instead Faine side steps toward the sidelines and doesn't block and the defender tackles our TE. This would have gone for big gain -huge. In the redzone I thought it was someone else and Faine yet again off to the side of the play instead of getting in there and blocking or pushing the pile as our RB get tackled at the line of scrimmage they were off to the side watching the damn game. Thats now how you play ball in the trences.

I am just not going to tolerate people getting on here and saying oh we did fine now they didn't. No they haven't. They have sucked all year and still not in the game. We lost! Good teams win the games they need to win. We needed to win and we didn't. The problem is the lines.

When we get a high draft pick this offseason you committ to building the lines and you draft the best OL or even DL because you would love to have a dominated D and an LSU native Dorsey.

You take the time and build... which will take 2-3 even 4 years of draft picks and FA (most draft). No quick fixes like a Reggie Bush. You get dominating big men up front. They will keep you in more games that not. You'll at least have oppitunities to win games and games you should and need to win.

WhoDat205 · 10-08-2007, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

No quick fixes like a Reggie Bush.

When did anyone say that Reggie Bush was a quick fix? If I remember correctly, most analysts picked the Saints to go 3-13 last year. No one with any knowlege of football would ever say that Reggie Bush will turn a crappy team into a good team by himself. If you're referring to the posters on this team's fan site, then I don't know what to tell you. Everyone here is a homer. These are the guys that told you Walter Thomas was going to revolutionize the DT position, so consider the source.

Euphoria · 10-08-2007, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

When did anyone say that Reggie Bush was a quick fix? If I remember correctly, most analysts picked the Saints to go 3-13 last year. No one with any knowlege of football would ever say that Reggie Bush will turn a crappy team into a good team by himself. If you're referring to the posters on this team's fan site, then I don't know what to tell you. Everyone here is a homer. These are the guys that told you Walter Thomas was going to revolutionize the DT position, so consider the source.

I said it! Thats who said it. I said it last year I said it this year in this very thread. We managed to over achieve and win 2 more games over .500 ball last year, nothing to get to excited about. We were set up and not many people saw it coming. I will disagree that most analyst pick up 3-13 I think there was one.

A lot of people think/thought Reggie was the savior. Think we are going to be USC of the Pro's... well they are right about one thing we are USC they lost to Stanford. We are a college team playing against Pro teams. The best way to fix an O line is to draft big O line men with top picks in the draft not drafting a player like Reggie whats his name.

WhoDat205 · 10-08-2007, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I said it! Thats who said it. I said it last year I said it this year in this very thread. We managed to over achieve and win 2 more games over .500 ball last year, nothing to get to excited about. We were set up and not many people saw it coming. I will disagree that most analyst pick up 3-13 I think there was one.

What I'm saying, Euph, is who said that Reggie Bush was going to "fix" the team? Believe me, I know what your point is: We should go back in time, un-pick reggie bush and draft the 93 Cowboys O-line instead. <--Hyperbole

The Reggie Bush pick had to happen. The New Orleans Saints are a business and Bush was good for business. Much better than D'Brick, Davin Joseph, Nick Mangold, Winston Justice or Deuce Lutui would have been. From a long term perspective, would it have been a better move to trade the pick and maybe pick up more blue chip linemen? Maybe, but hindsight is 20/20. If you want to jump on the Meachem pick, I'm all about that. Any of the 15 linemen taken between him and Usama Young would have been preferred.

Google 2006 nfc south predictions. Everyone predicted a losing record and a last place finish.

King (3-13, last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Monday Morning QB (cont.) - Monday September 4, 2006 10:20PM
Dr. Z (6-10, Last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Dr. Z: Breaking down the road to SB XLI - Thursday August 31, 2006 11:44AM

Euphoria · 10-08-2007, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

What I'm saying, Euph, is who said that Reggie Bush was going to "fix" the team? Believe me, I know what your point is: We should go back in time, un-pick reggie bush and draft the 93 Cowboys O-line instead. <--Hyperbole

The Reggie Bush pick had to happen. The New Orleans Saints are a business and Bush was good for business. Much better than D'Brick, Davin Joseph, Nick Mangold, Winston Justice or Deuce Lutui would have been. From a long term perspective, would it have been a better move to trade the pick and maybe pick up more blue chip linemen? Maybe, but hindsight is 20/20. If you want to jump on the Meachem pick, I'm all about that. Any of the 15 linemen taken between him and Usama Young would have been preferred.

Google 2006 nfc south predictions. Everyone predicted a losing record and a last place finish.

King (3-13, last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Monday Morning QB (cont.) - Monday September 4, 2006 10:20PM
Dr. Z (6-10, Last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Dr. Z: Breaking down the road to SB XLI - Thursday August 31, 2006 11:44AM

ahhh yes... I agree with your perspective and use of words. I totally agree Bush was a business pick and not a football pick.

WhoDatQB · 10-09-2007, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

ahhh yes... I agree with your perspective and use of words. I totally agree Bush was a business pick and not a football pick.

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When Reggie fell to us I prayed we would leverage the pick into two offensive linemen. I wanted Mangold badly.

I am not sure who else to have picked, but he and a DT would have been great or another O lineman.

When we sent our card to the stage and picked Reggie, I said to my wife, "Well we may not be any better as a football team, but we will sell more tickets and the Saints will be in New Orleans for quite a few more years."

I am not sure who would have traded with us, but the Jets had two first round picks and I sure wanted those multiple picks instead of our one pick.

10-08-2007, 10:48 AM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: What To Do About The O-line Besides that Jamal Brown call, I thought our line played very well. They couldn't run or throw the ball on us. Dropped balls and lack of execution on their side of the field hurt us. Though we lost, I saw a lot of improvement out there.

10-08-2007, 11:13 AM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by papz Besides that Jamal Brown call, I thought our line played very well. They couldn't run or throw the ball on us. Dropped balls and lack of execution on their side of the field hurt us. Though we lost, I saw a lot of improvement out there. NO the O line has major flaws. They aren't blocking. You have to watch them play not go by the score of the game or stats. When you have Faine and other saints linemen in the flat with 2 pathers to block only 2 on 2 as your TE catches a screen pass behind them. All they have to do is engage in blocks at minimum. You would think they would go and level these guys instead Faine side steps toward the sidelines and doesn't block and the defender tackles our TE. This would have gone for big gain -huge. In the redzone I thought it was someone else and Faine yet again off to the side of the play instead of getting in there and blocking or pushing the pile as our RB get tackled at the line of scrimmage they were off to the side watching the damn game. Thats now how you play ball in the trences. I am just not going to tolerate people getting on here and saying oh we did fine now they didn't. No they haven't. They have sucked all year and still not in the game. We lost! Good teams win the games they need to win. We needed to win and we didn't. The problem is the lines. When we get a high draft pick this offseason you committ to building the lines and you draft the best OL or even DL because you would love to have a dominated D and an LSU native Dorsey. You take the time and build... which will take 2-3 even 4 years of draft picks and FA (most draft). No quick fixes like a Reggie Bush. You get dominating big men up front. They will keep you in more games that not. You'll at least have oppitunities to win games and games you should and need to win.

10-08-2007, 12:10 PM	#3
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by Euphoria No quick fixes like a Reggie Bush. When did anyone say that Reggie Bush was a quick fix? If I remember correctly, most analysts picked the Saints to go 3-13 last year. No one with any knowlege of football would ever say that Reggie Bush will turn a crappy team into a good team by himself. If you're referring to the posters on this team's fan site, then I don't know what to tell you. Everyone here is a homer. These are the guys that told you Walter Thomas was going to revolutionize the DT position, so consider the source.

10-08-2007, 12:52 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by WhoDat205 When did anyone say that Reggie Bush was a quick fix? If I remember correctly, most analysts picked the Saints to go 3-13 last year. No one with any knowlege of football would ever say that Reggie Bush will turn a crappy team into a good team by himself. If you're referring to the posters on this team's fan site, then I don't know what to tell you. Everyone here is a homer. These are the guys that told you Walter Thomas was going to revolutionize the DT position, so consider the source. I said it! Thats who said it. I said it last year I said it this year in this very thread. We managed to over achieve and win 2 more games over .500 ball last year, nothing to get to excited about. We were set up and not many people saw it coming. I will disagree that most analyst pick up 3-13 I think there was one. A lot of people think/thought Reggie was the savior. Think we are going to be USC of the Pro's... well they are right about one thing we are USC they lost to Stanford. We are a college team playing against Pro teams. The best way to fix an O line is to draft big O line men with top picks in the draft not drafting a player like Reggie whats his name.

10-08-2007, 02:28 PM	#5
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by Euphoria I said it! Thats who said it. I said it last year I said it this year in this very thread. We managed to over achieve and win 2 more games over .500 ball last year, nothing to get to excited about. We were set up and not many people saw it coming. I will disagree that most analyst pick up 3-13 I think there was one. What I'm saying, Euph, is who said that Reggie Bush was going to "fix" the team? Believe me, I know what your point is: We should go back in time, un-pick reggie bush and draft the 93 Cowboys O-line instead. <--Hyperbole The Reggie Bush pick had to happen. The New Orleans Saints are a business and Bush was good for business. Much better than D'Brick, Davin Joseph, Nick Mangold, Winston Justice or Deuce Lutui would have been. From a long term perspective, would it have been a better move to trade the pick and maybe pick up more blue chip linemen? Maybe, but hindsight is 20/20. If you want to jump on the Meachem pick, I'm all about that. Any of the 15 linemen taken between him and Usama Young would have been preferred. Google 2006 nfc south predictions. Everyone predicted a losing record and a last place finish. King (3-13, last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Monday Morning QB (cont.) - Monday September 4, 2006 10:20PM Dr. Z (6-10, Last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Dr. Z: Breaking down the road to SB XLI - Thursday August 31, 2006 11:44AM
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10-08-2007, 02:38 PM	#6
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by WhoDat205 What I'm saying, Euph, is who said that Reggie Bush was going to "fix" the team? Believe me, I know what your point is: We should go back in time, un-pick reggie bush and draft the 93 Cowboys O-line instead. <--Hyperbole The Reggie Bush pick had to happen. The New Orleans Saints are a business and Bush was good for business. Much better than D'Brick, Davin Joseph, Nick Mangold, Winston Justice or Deuce Lutui would have been. From a long term perspective, would it have been a better move to trade the pick and maybe pick up more blue chip linemen? Maybe, but hindsight is 20/20. If you want to jump on the Meachem pick, I'm all about that. Any of the 15 linemen taken between him and Usama Young would have been preferred. Google 2006 nfc south predictions. Everyone predicted a losing record and a last place finish. King (3-13, last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Monday Morning QB (cont.) - Monday September 4, 2006 10:20PM Dr. Z (6-10, Last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Dr. Z: Breaking down the road to SB XLI - Thursday August 31, 2006 11:44AM ahhh yes... I agree with your perspective and use of words. I totally agree Bush was a business pick and not a football pick.

10-09-2007, 02:06 PM	#7
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by Euphoria ahhh yes... I agree with your perspective and use of words. I totally agree Bush was a business pick and not a football pick. ======== When Reggie fell to us I prayed we would leverage the pick into two offensive linemen. I wanted Mangold badly. I am not sure who else to have picked, but he and a DT would have been great or another O lineman. When we sent our card to the stage and picked Reggie, I said to my wife, "Well we may not be any better as a football team, but we will sell more tickets and the Saints will be in New Orleans for quite a few more years." I am not sure who would have traded with us, but the Jets had two first round picks and I sure wanted those multiple picks instead of our one pick.