What To Do About The O-line

hagan714 · 10-08-2007, 02:43 PM

They played better. Not great but better. I will take it

WhoDat205 · 10-08-2007, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I said it! Thats who said it. I said it last year I said it this year in this very thread. We managed to over achieve and win 2 more games over .500 ball last year, nothing to get to excited about. We were set up and not many people saw it coming. I will disagree that most analyst pick up 3-13 I think there was one.

What I'm saying, Euph, is who said that Reggie Bush was going to "fix" the team? Believe me, I know what your point is: We should go back in time, un-pick reggie bush and draft the 93 Cowboys O-line instead. <--Hyperbole

The Reggie Bush pick had to happen. The New Orleans Saints are a business and Bush was good for business. Much better than D'Brick, Davin Joseph, Nick Mangold, Winston Justice or Deuce Lutui would have been. From a long term perspective, would it have been a better move to trade the pick and maybe pick up more blue chip linemen? Maybe, but hindsight is 20/20. If you want to jump on the Meachem pick, I'm all about that. Any of the 15 linemen taken between him and Usama Young would have been preferred.

Google 2006 nfc south predictions. Everyone predicted a losing record and a last place finish.

King (3-13, last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Monday Morning QB (cont.) - Monday September 4, 2006 10:20PM
Dr. Z (6-10, Last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Dr. Z: Breaking down the road to SB XLI - Thursday August 31, 2006 11:44AM

Euphoria · 10-08-2007, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

They played better. Not great but better. I will take it

I don't know if they played better... I think on paper we matched up better thats why the score looked better for a change.

Euphoria · 10-08-2007, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

What I'm saying, Euph, is who said that Reggie Bush was going to "fix" the team? Believe me, I know what your point is: We should go back in time, un-pick reggie bush and draft the 93 Cowboys O-line instead. <--Hyperbole

The Reggie Bush pick had to happen. The New Orleans Saints are a business and Bush was good for business. Much better than D'Brick, Davin Joseph, Nick Mangold, Winston Justice or Deuce Lutui would have been. From a long term perspective, would it have been a better move to trade the pick and maybe pick up more blue chip linemen? Maybe, but hindsight is 20/20. If you want to jump on the Meachem pick, I'm all about that. Any of the 15 linemen taken between him and Usama Young would have been preferred.

Google 2006 nfc south predictions. Everyone predicted a losing record and a last place finish.

King (3-13, last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Monday Morning QB (cont.) - Monday September 4, 2006 10:20PM
Dr. Z (6-10, Last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Dr. Z: Breaking down the road to SB XLI - Thursday August 31, 2006 11:44AM

ahhh yes... I agree with your perspective and use of words. I totally agree Bush was a business pick and not a football pick.

dasaints26 · 10-09-2007, 12:45 AM

Dallas has a great oline and a great dline they are undefeated. They look unstopable. Qb made some mistakes but because they have a great dline and a great oline they pulled out a victory after an onside kick and a 53 yd fieldgoal.
Saints have a terrible oline and a horrific dline and havent won a game in five starts goin back to nfc championship game. After our last game in which our qb made some bad mistakes our dysfunctional oline and lazy dline wasnt able to keep us in the game by us missing a 53 yd fieldgoal to win the game.
What about that line? How could they allow a defender to block a fieldgoal with his elbow and not even on our side of the ball. Where did we get these guys?

darstep · 10-09-2007, 01:09 AM

Bush is a player - he's just not a Duece. Payton is running Bush as if he has tackle breaking capabilities and he doesn't - Peyton's fault. Our O-line looks so bad by design - I read it said all over this site - same line as last year with a different result. What changed? The design, Sean's design. What they are trying to do has changed. Payton genius should put what ever talent we have in the best position to succeed, but what I have seen so far has positioned most players for failure - straight down the list: QB, CB, RB, and on-and-on. None of our talent has been optimized. Quickness hasn't been positioned to places where quickness benefits. Strength hasn't been utilized in its most effective situations. Pass blocking gets easier after you establish some push. All a function of Sean's new design. I say let's scrap this design and get back to basics. Karney AND Bush in the backfield. Speed, strength, protection, options, and balance. Simple success will go a long way. Baby steps, until we learn how to walk again.

Euphoria · 10-09-2007, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by darstep

Bush is a player - he's just not a Duece. Payton is running Bush as if he has tackle breaking capabilities and he doesn't - Peyton's fault. Our O-line looks so bad by design - I read it said all over this site - same line as last year with a different result. What changed? The design, Sean's design. What they are trying to do has changed. Payton genius should put what ever talent we have in the best position to succeed, but what I have seen so far has positioned most players for failure - straight down the list: QB, CB, RB, and on-and-on. None of our talent has been optimized. Quickness hasn't been positioned to places where quickness benefits. Strength hasn't been utilized in its most effective situations. Pass blocking gets easier after you establish some push. All a function of Sean's new design. I say let's scrap this design and get back to basics. Karney AND Bush in the backfield. Speed, strength, protection, options, and balance. Simple success will go a long way. Baby steps, until we learn how to walk again.

The design was set in stone years ago. We have failed to address our Oline and Dline with top feature personel. We have had problems since Brooks was QB and everybody jumped on Brooks instead of the real core problem. We got lucky and over acheived last year but you could still see the problem if you go back and look at last season against teams with exceptional lines... they blew us out. This year we have been exposed and no reggie bush can fix that, no qb. You have to have a legitimate O line and D line to be successfull in this league today. The Mannings of this world still need a D and O line, yeah they are great alone but they need others to help them be successful.

Euphoria · 10-09-2007, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by dasaints26

Dallas has a great oline and a great dline they are undefeated. They look unstopable. Qb made some mistakes but because they have a great dline and a great oline they pulled out a victory after an onside kick and a 53 yd fieldgoal.
Saints have a terrible oline and a horrific dline and havent won a game in five starts goin back to nfc championship game. After our last game in which our qb made some bad mistakes our dysfunctional oline and lazy dline wasnt able to keep us in the game by us missing a 53 yd fieldgoal to win the game.
What about that line? How could they allow a defender to block a fieldgoal with his elbow and not even on our side of the ball. Where did we get these guys?

You are on the nose with your assessment. Doesn't matter how bad of a game your role players have but if you have a great core in the trenches you are still going to be in games!!!

WhoDatQB · 10-09-2007, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

ahhh yes... I agree with your perspective and use of words. I totally agree Bush was a business pick and not a football pick.

========

When Reggie fell to us I prayed we would leverage the pick into two offensive linemen. I wanted Mangold badly.

I am not sure who else to have picked, but he and a DT would have been great or another O lineman.

When we sent our card to the stage and picked Reggie, I said to my wife, "Well we may not be any better as a football team, but we will sell more tickets and the Saints will be in New Orleans for quite a few more years."

I am not sure who would have traded with us, but the Jets had two first round picks and I sure wanted those multiple picks instead of our one pick.

QBREES9 · 10-09-2007, 04:30 PM

They did play better. So who is the week link on the line. jon jarhi jeff jamar or the ALL-PRO jamal ???

10-08-2007, 02:43 PM	#11
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: What To Do About The O-line They played better. Not great but better. I will take it

10-08-2007, 03:28 PM	#12
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by Euphoria I said it! Thats who said it. I said it last year I said it this year in this very thread. We managed to over achieve and win 2 more games over .500 ball last year, nothing to get to excited about. We were set up and not many people saw it coming. I will disagree that most analyst pick up 3-13 I think there was one. What I'm saying, Euph, is who said that Reggie Bush was going to "fix" the team? Believe me, I know what your point is: We should go back in time, un-pick reggie bush and draft the 93 Cowboys O-line instead. <--Hyperbole The Reggie Bush pick had to happen. The New Orleans Saints are a business and Bush was good for business. Much better than D'Brick, Davin Joseph, Nick Mangold, Winston Justice or Deuce Lutui would have been. From a long term perspective, would it have been a better move to trade the pick and maybe pick up more blue chip linemen? Maybe, but hindsight is 20/20. If you want to jump on the Meachem pick, I'm all about that. Any of the 15 linemen taken between him and Usama Young would have been preferred. Google 2006 nfc south predictions. Everyone predicted a losing record and a last place finish. King (3-13, last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Monday Morning QB (cont.) - Monday September 4, 2006 10:20PM Dr. Z (6-10, Last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Dr. Z: Breaking down the road to SB XLI - Thursday August 31, 2006 11:44AM
	"defence's personal to allwats double team or watch is over, that one reason why the saints or not any good." - Vador101

10-08-2007, 03:36 PM	#13
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by hagan714 They played better. Not great but better. I will take it I don't know if they played better... I think on paper we matched up better thats why the score looked better for a change.

10-08-2007, 03:38 PM	#14
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by WhoDat205 What I'm saying, Euph, is who said that Reggie Bush was going to "fix" the team? Believe me, I know what your point is: We should go back in time, un-pick reggie bush and draft the 93 Cowboys O-line instead. <--Hyperbole The Reggie Bush pick had to happen. The New Orleans Saints are a business and Bush was good for business. Much better than D'Brick, Davin Joseph, Nick Mangold, Winston Justice or Deuce Lutui would have been. From a long term perspective, would it have been a better move to trade the pick and maybe pick up more blue chip linemen? Maybe, but hindsight is 20/20. If you want to jump on the Meachem pick, I'm all about that. Any of the 15 linemen taken between him and Usama Young would have been preferred. Google 2006 nfc south predictions. Everyone predicted a losing record and a last place finish. King (3-13, last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Monday Morning QB (cont.) - Monday September 4, 2006 10:20PM Dr. Z (6-10, Last NFCS) SI.com - Writers - Dr. Z: Breaking down the road to SB XLI - Thursday August 31, 2006 11:44AM ahhh yes... I agree with your perspective and use of words. I totally agree Bush was a business pick and not a football pick.

10-09-2007, 12:45 AM	#15
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: What To Do About The O-line Dallas has a great oline and a great dline they are undefeated. They look unstopable. Qb made some mistakes but because they have a great dline and a great oline they pulled out a victory after an onside kick and a 53 yd fieldgoal. Saints have a terrible oline and a horrific dline and havent won a game in five starts goin back to nfc championship game. After our last game in which our qb made some bad mistakes our dysfunctional oline and lazy dline wasnt able to keep us in the game by us missing a 53 yd fieldgoal to win the game. What about that line? How could they allow a defender to block a fieldgoal with his elbow and not even on our side of the ball. Where did we get these guys?
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10-09-2007, 01:09 AM	#16
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: What To Do About The O-line Bush is a player - he's just not a Duece. Payton is running Bush as if he has tackle breaking capabilities and he doesn't - Peyton's fault. Our O-line looks so bad by design - I read it said all over this site - same line as last year with a different result. What changed? The design, Sean's design. What they are trying to do has changed. Payton genius should put what ever talent we have in the best position to succeed, but what I have seen so far has positioned most players for failure - straight down the list: QB, CB, RB, and on-and-on. None of our talent has been optimized. Quickness hasn't been positioned to places where quickness benefits. Strength hasn't been utilized in its most effective situations. Pass blocking gets easier after you establish some push. All a function of Sean's new design. I say let's scrap this design and get back to basics. Karney AND Bush in the backfield. Speed, strength, protection, options, and balance. Simple success will go a long way. Baby steps, until we learn how to walk again.
	SaintSince67

10-09-2007, 01:48 PM	#17
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by darstep Bush is a player - he's just not a Duece. Payton is running Bush as if he has tackle breaking capabilities and he doesn't - Peyton's fault. Our O-line looks so bad by design - I read it said all over this site - same line as last year with a different result. What changed? The design, Sean's design. What they are trying to do has changed. Payton genius should put what ever talent we have in the best position to succeed, but what I have seen so far has positioned most players for failure - straight down the list: QB, CB, RB, and on-and-on. None of our talent has been optimized. Quickness hasn't been positioned to places where quickness benefits. Strength hasn't been utilized in its most effective situations. Pass blocking gets easier after you establish some push. All a function of Sean's new design. I say let's scrap this design and get back to basics. Karney AND Bush in the backfield. Speed, strength, protection, options, and balance. Simple success will go a long way. Baby steps, until we learn how to walk again. The design was set in stone years ago. We have failed to address our Oline and Dline with top feature personel. We have had problems since Brooks was QB and everybody jumped on Brooks instead of the real core problem. We got lucky and over acheived last year but you could still see the problem if you go back and look at last season against teams with exceptional lines... they blew us out. This year we have been exposed and no reggie bush can fix that, no qb. You have to have a legitimate O line and D line to be successfull in this league today. The Mannings of this world still need a D and O line, yeah they are great alone but they need others to help them be successful.

10-09-2007, 01:49 PM	#18
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by dasaints26 Dallas has a great oline and a great dline they are undefeated. They look unstopable. Qb made some mistakes but because they have a great dline and a great oline they pulled out a victory after an onside kick and a 53 yd fieldgoal. Saints have a terrible oline and a horrific dline and havent won a game in five starts goin back to nfc championship game. After our last game in which our qb made some bad mistakes our dysfunctional oline and lazy dline wasnt able to keep us in the game by us missing a 53 yd fieldgoal to win the game. What about that line? How could they allow a defender to block a fieldgoal with his elbow and not even on our side of the ball. Where did we get these guys? You are on the nose with your assessment. Doesn't matter how bad of a game your role players have but if you have a great core in the trenches you are still going to be in games!!!

10-09-2007, 03:06 PM	#19
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by Euphoria ahhh yes... I agree with your perspective and use of words. I totally agree Bush was a business pick and not a football pick. ======== When Reggie fell to us I prayed we would leverage the pick into two offensive linemen. I wanted Mangold badly. I am not sure who else to have picked, but he and a DT would have been great or another O lineman. When we sent our card to the stage and picked Reggie, I said to my wife, "Well we may not be any better as a football team, but we will sell more tickets and the Saints will be in New Orleans for quite a few more years." I am not sure who would have traded with us, but the Jets had two first round picks and I sure wanted those multiple picks instead of our one pick.

10-09-2007, 04:30 PM	#20
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: What To Do About The O-line They did play better. So who is the week link on the line. jon jarhi jeff jamar or the ALL-PRO jamal ???