What To Do About The O-line

Euphoria · 10-08-2007, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

I would not necessarily say they were inferior. They have Peppers and Jenkins. Those two are beasts and the o-line pretty much kept them quiet yestarday.

Back up QB and other injuries, weak at other skilled areas. Oh and the back up QB was Carr. Oh yeah another thing the 3rd string QB comes into the game and does well. Yes they were inferior.

hagan714 · 10-08-2007, 01:43 PM

They played better. Not great but better. I will take it

Euphoria · 10-08-2007, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

They played better. Not great but better. I will take it

I don't know if they played better... I think on paper we matched up better thats why the score looked better for a change.

dasaints26 · 10-08-2007, 11:45 PM

Dallas has a great oline and a great dline they are undefeated. They look unstopable. Qb made some mistakes but because they have a great dline and a great oline they pulled out a victory after an onside kick and a 53 yd fieldgoal.
Saints have a terrible oline and a horrific dline and havent won a game in five starts goin back to nfc championship game. After our last game in which our qb made some bad mistakes our dysfunctional oline and lazy dline wasnt able to keep us in the game by us missing a 53 yd fieldgoal to win the game.
What about that line? How could they allow a defender to block a fieldgoal with his elbow and not even on our side of the ball. Where did we get these guys?

Euphoria · 10-09-2007, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by dasaints26

Dallas has a great oline and a great dline they are undefeated. They look unstopable. Qb made some mistakes but because they have a great dline and a great oline they pulled out a victory after an onside kick and a 53 yd fieldgoal.
Saints have a terrible oline and a horrific dline and havent won a game in five starts goin back to nfc championship game. After our last game in which our qb made some bad mistakes our dysfunctional oline and lazy dline wasnt able to keep us in the game by us missing a 53 yd fieldgoal to win the game.
What about that line? How could they allow a defender to block a fieldgoal with his elbow and not even on our side of the ball. Where did we get these guys?

You are on the nose with your assessment. Doesn't matter how bad of a game your role players have but if you have a great core in the trenches you are still going to be in games!!!

darstep · 10-09-2007, 12:09 AM

Bush is a player - he's just not a Duece. Payton is running Bush as if he has tackle breaking capabilities and he doesn't - Peyton's fault. Our O-line looks so bad by design - I read it said all over this site - same line as last year with a different result. What changed? The design, Sean's design. What they are trying to do has changed. Payton genius should put what ever talent we have in the best position to succeed, but what I have seen so far has positioned most players for failure - straight down the list: QB, CB, RB, and on-and-on. None of our talent has been optimized. Quickness hasn't been positioned to places where quickness benefits. Strength hasn't been utilized in its most effective situations. Pass blocking gets easier after you establish some push. All a function of Sean's new design. I say let's scrap this design and get back to basics. Karney AND Bush in the backfield. Speed, strength, protection, options, and balance. Simple success will go a long way. Baby steps, until we learn how to walk again.

Euphoria · 10-09-2007, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by darstep

Bush is a player - he's just not a Duece. Payton is running Bush as if he has tackle breaking capabilities and he doesn't - Peyton's fault. Our O-line looks so bad by design - I read it said all over this site - same line as last year with a different result. What changed? The design, Sean's design. What they are trying to do has changed. Payton genius should put what ever talent we have in the best position to succeed, but what I have seen so far has positioned most players for failure - straight down the list: QB, CB, RB, and on-and-on. None of our talent has been optimized. Quickness hasn't been positioned to places where quickness benefits. Strength hasn't been utilized in its most effective situations. Pass blocking gets easier after you establish some push. All a function of Sean's new design. I say let's scrap this design and get back to basics. Karney AND Bush in the backfield. Speed, strength, protection, options, and balance. Simple success will go a long way. Baby steps, until we learn how to walk again.

The design was set in stone years ago. We have failed to address our Oline and Dline with top feature personel. We have had problems since Brooks was QB and everybody jumped on Brooks instead of the real core problem. We got lucky and over acheived last year but you could still see the problem if you go back and look at last season against teams with exceptional lines... they blew us out. This year we have been exposed and no reggie bush can fix that, no qb. You have to have a legitimate O line and D line to be successfull in this league today. The Mannings of this world still need a D and O line, yeah they are great alone but they need others to help them be successful.

QBREES9 · 10-09-2007, 03:30 PM

They did play better. So who is the week link on the line. jon jarhi jeff jamar or the ALL-PRO jamal ???

Euphoria · 10-09-2007, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

They did play better. So who is the week link on the line. jon jarhi jeff jamar or the ALL-PRO jamal ???

Several of them... the one I have been noticing and watching if Jeff Faine. This guy needs to be benched and/or sent packing.

QBREES9 · 10-09-2007, 04:01 PM

and didn't Drew bring him to the PRO BOWL last year. As if to say if you work your butt for you can get here

10-08-2007, 01:10 PM	#1
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs I would not necessarily say they were inferior. They have Peppers and Jenkins. Those two are beasts and the o-line pretty much kept them quiet yestarday. Back up QB and other injuries, weak at other skilled areas. Oh and the back up QB was Carr. Oh yeah another thing the 3rd string QB comes into the game and does well. Yes they were inferior.

10-08-2007, 01:43 PM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: What To Do About The O-line They played better. Not great but better. I will take it

10-08-2007, 02:36 PM	#3
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by hagan714 They played better. Not great but better. I will take it I don't know if they played better... I think on paper we matched up better thats why the score looked better for a change.

10-08-2007, 11:45 PM	#4
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: What To Do About The O-line Dallas has a great oline and a great dline they are undefeated. They look unstopable. Qb made some mistakes but because they have a great dline and a great oline they pulled out a victory after an onside kick and a 53 yd fieldgoal. Saints have a terrible oline and a horrific dline and havent won a game in five starts goin back to nfc championship game. After our last game in which our qb made some bad mistakes our dysfunctional oline and lazy dline wasnt able to keep us in the game by us missing a 53 yd fieldgoal to win the game. What about that line? How could they allow a defender to block a fieldgoal with his elbow and not even on our side of the ball. Where did we get these guys?
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10-09-2007, 12:49 PM	#5
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by dasaints26 Dallas has a great oline and a great dline they are undefeated. They look unstopable. Qb made some mistakes but because they have a great dline and a great oline they pulled out a victory after an onside kick and a 53 yd fieldgoal. Saints have a terrible oline and a horrific dline and havent won a game in five starts goin back to nfc championship game. After our last game in which our qb made some bad mistakes our dysfunctional oline and lazy dline wasnt able to keep us in the game by us missing a 53 yd fieldgoal to win the game. What about that line? How could they allow a defender to block a fieldgoal with his elbow and not even on our side of the ball. Where did we get these guys? You are on the nose with your assessment. Doesn't matter how bad of a game your role players have but if you have a great core in the trenches you are still going to be in games!!!

10-09-2007, 12:09 AM	#6
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: What To Do About The O-line Bush is a player - he's just not a Duece. Payton is running Bush as if he has tackle breaking capabilities and he doesn't - Peyton's fault. Our O-line looks so bad by design - I read it said all over this site - same line as last year with a different result. What changed? The design, Sean's design. What they are trying to do has changed. Payton genius should put what ever talent we have in the best position to succeed, but what I have seen so far has positioned most players for failure - straight down the list: QB, CB, RB, and on-and-on. None of our talent has been optimized. Quickness hasn't been positioned to places where quickness benefits. Strength hasn't been utilized in its most effective situations. Pass blocking gets easier after you establish some push. All a function of Sean's new design. I say let's scrap this design and get back to basics. Karney AND Bush in the backfield. Speed, strength, protection, options, and balance. Simple success will go a long way. Baby steps, until we learn how to walk again.
	SaintSince67

10-09-2007, 12:48 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by darstep Bush is a player - he's just not a Duece. Payton is running Bush as if he has tackle breaking capabilities and he doesn't - Peyton's fault. Our O-line looks so bad by design - I read it said all over this site - same line as last year with a different result. What changed? The design, Sean's design. What they are trying to do has changed. Payton genius should put what ever talent we have in the best position to succeed, but what I have seen so far has positioned most players for failure - straight down the list: QB, CB, RB, and on-and-on. None of our talent has been optimized. Quickness hasn't been positioned to places where quickness benefits. Strength hasn't been utilized in its most effective situations. Pass blocking gets easier after you establish some push. All a function of Sean's new design. I say let's scrap this design and get back to basics. Karney AND Bush in the backfield. Speed, strength, protection, options, and balance. Simple success will go a long way. Baby steps, until we learn how to walk again. The design was set in stone years ago. We have failed to address our Oline and Dline with top feature personel. We have had problems since Brooks was QB and everybody jumped on Brooks instead of the real core problem. We got lucky and over acheived last year but you could still see the problem if you go back and look at last season against teams with exceptional lines... they blew us out. This year we have been exposed and no reggie bush can fix that, no qb. You have to have a legitimate O line and D line to be successfull in this league today. The Mannings of this world still need a D and O line, yeah they are great alone but they need others to help them be successful.

10-09-2007, 03:30 PM	#8
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: What To Do About The O-line They did play better. So who is the week link on the line. jon jarhi jeff jamar or the ALL-PRO jamal ???

10-09-2007, 03:54 PM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: What To Do About The O-line Originally Posted by QBREES9 They did play better. So who is the week link on the line. jon jarhi jeff jamar or the ALL-PRO jamal ??? Several of them... the one I have been noticing and watching if Jeff Faine. This guy needs to be benched and/or sent packing.

10-09-2007, 04:01 PM	#10
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: What To Do About The O-line and didn't Drew bring him to the PRO BOWL last year. As if to say if you work your butt for you can get here