Saints run defense.....

JOESAM2002 · 10-11-2007, 03:09 PM

There are some surprising things in this......

SunHerald.com : Saints boast improved run defense

saintsfan1976 · 10-11-2007, 03:12 PM

I'm not surprised. The run D looked great at times not only against Carolina.

Euphoria · 10-11-2007, 03:25 PM

I tend to think that those numbers are off for one good reason. You come out against the Saints and you throw the ball. Our pass D has sucked so bad that the best way to score on is is pass. You score enough points and take a commanding lead against the Saints that you force the Saints out of a running game and into the come from behind passing-mode.

The one difference you will notice is that against the Panthers the Saints came out throwing and agressive trying not to allow the Pahters to get up on us by a lot of points early. That would have force the ball into Carr's hands and let him try and beat us. -which obvious never happened.

JOESAM2002 · 10-11-2007, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I tend to think that those numbers are off for one good reason. You come out against the Saints and you throw the ball. Our pass D has sucked so bad that the best way to score on is is pass. You score enough points and take a commanding lead against the Saints that you force the Saints out of a running game and into the come from behind passing-mode.

The one difference you will notice is that against the Panthers the Saints came out throwing and agressive trying not to allow the Pahters to get up on us by a lot of points early. That would have force the ball into Carr's hands and let him try and beat us. -which obvious never happened.

You never cease to amaze me. I don't think there's anything that can make you happy. All this doom and gloom, makes me not even want to come in here and read. Jesus, I wish you'd have something good to say. This crap is old.

Euphoria · 10-11-2007, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

You never cease to amaze me. I don't think there's anything that can make you happy. All this doom and gloom, makes me not even want to come in here and read. Jesus, I wish you'd have something good to say. This crap is old.

How this...

WE are 0-4 yeah! WAAA HOOO Yeah baby!

Perhaps #2 pick in this coming draft... YEAH lets get excited about that! YEAH... WAAAA HOOOO.

WillMacKenzie · 10-11-2007, 08:10 PM

They may be stout against the run, but can they stop Euph's constant life-suck and downward spiraling.

Euphoria · 10-11-2007, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

They may be stout against the run, but can they stop Euph's constant life-suck and downward spiraling.

Just to make it clear... I am not on a downwars spiral or constant life suck mode. Just not letting people get away with putting the blame on one person that doesn't deserve it and totally neglect the real problems.

saintsfan1976 · 10-12-2007, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

How this...

WE are 0-4 yeah! WAAA HOOO Yeah baby!

Perhaps #2 pick in this coming draft... YEAH lets get excited about that! YEAH... WAAAA HOOOO.

Classic Euph!! Golden.

How can you guys get tired of the ONE GUY who consistently slaps us in the chops with a stone-cold dose of reality?? Let's not get too carried away with stats and prognostications..... our team has more issues than the Mendez family. When will they be addressed?

darstep · 10-11-2007, 03:40 PM

I disagree Euphoria. The attempts to run the ball are there, which proves that the stops were also there. It would be different if run attempts were down to 10 -15, but both quotes show the last two teams tried to run the ball approx. 30 times, and both were kept under 100. Not bad - in fact I will pay closer attention to run stops this week in Seattle. I've been looking for something positive. Those numbers are not a bad start.

Euphoria · 10-11-2007, 03:57 PM

Thats fine... if you disagree. I said tend to... like leaning towards a stance but not comitting one way or the other yet.

What I am leaning towards just to clarify though is that more teams are exposing our pass defense (which would mean possible less yards on running plays and attempts). Even attempts can be missleading if you make more first downs you get MORE ATTEMPTS.

To prove my point is that we have also given up 8 TD passing this qrt of the season which would put us on pace to top last years 28.

Boasting our Run defense is much improved which arguable its not by much... is one of those stat things and I have to agree... "stats are for losers".

10-11-2007, 03:09 PM	#1
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints run defense..... I tend to think that those numbers are off for one good reason. You come out against the Saints and you throw the ball. Our pass D has sucked so bad that the best way to score on is is pass. You score enough points and take a commanding lead against the Saints that you force the Saints out of a running game and into the come from behind passing-mode. The one difference you will notice is that against the Panthers the Saints came out throwing and agressive trying not to allow the Pahters to get up on us by a lot of points early. That would have force the ball into Carr's hands and let him try and beat us. -which obvious never happened.

10-11-2007, 06:33 PM	#4
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Saints run defense..... Originally Posted by Euphoria I tend to think that those numbers are off for one good reason. You come out against the Saints and you throw the ball. Our pass D has sucked so bad that the best way to score on is is pass. You score enough points and take a commanding lead against the Saints that you force the Saints out of a running game and into the come from behind passing-mode. The one difference you will notice is that against the Panthers the Saints came out throwing and agressive trying not to allow the Pahters to get up on us by a lot of points early. That would have force the ball into Carr's hands and let him try and beat us. -which obvious never happened. You never cease to amaze me. I don't think there's anything that can make you happy. All this doom and gloom, makes me not even want to come in here and read. Jesus, I wish you'd have something good to say. This crap is old.

10-11-2007, 06:49 PM	#5
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints run defense..... Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 You never cease to amaze me. I don't think there's anything that can make you happy. All this doom and gloom, makes me not even want to come in here and read. Jesus, I wish you'd have something good to say. This crap is old. How this... WE are 0-4 yeah! WAAA HOOO Yeah baby! Perhaps #2 pick in this coming draft... YEAH lets get excited about that! YEAH... WAAAA HOOOO.

10-11-2007, 08:10 PM	#6
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10-11-2007, 10:02 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints run defense..... Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie They may be stout against the run, but can they stop Euph's constant life-suck and downward spiraling. Just to make it clear... I am not on a downwars spiral or constant life suck mode. Just not letting people get away with putting the blame on one person that doesn't deserve it and totally neglect the real problems.

10-12-2007, 12:17 AM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints run defense..... Originally Posted by Euphoria How this... WE are 0-4 yeah! WAAA HOOO Yeah baby! Perhaps #2 pick in this coming draft... YEAH lets get excited about that! YEAH... WAAAA HOOOO. Classic Euph!! Golden. How can you guys get tired of the ONE GUY who consistently slaps us in the chops with a stone-cold dose of reality?? Let's not get too carried away with stats and prognostications..... our team has more issues than the Mendez family. When will they be addressed?

10-11-2007, 03:40 PM	#9
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Saints run defense..... I disagree Euphoria. The attempts to run the ball are there, which proves that the stops were also there. It would be different if run attempts were down to 10 -15, but both quotes show the last two teams tried to run the ball approx. 30 times, and both were kept under 100. Not bad - in fact I will pay closer attention to run stops this week in Seattle. I've been looking for something positive. Those numbers are not a bad start.

10-11-2007, 03:57 PM	#10
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints run defense..... Thats fine... if you disagree. I said tend to... like leaning towards a stance but not comitting one way or the other yet. What I am leaning towards just to clarify though is that more teams are exposing our pass defense (which would mean possible less yards on running plays and attempts). Even attempts can be missleading if you make more first downs you get MORE ATTEMPTS. To prove my point is that we have also given up 8 TD passing this qrt of the season which would put us on pace to top last years 28. Boasting our Run defense is much improved which arguable its not by much... is one of those stat things and I have to agree... "stats are for losers".
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