Saints run defense.....

JOESAM2002 · 10-11-2007, 04:09 PM

There are some surprising things in this......

SunHerald.com : Saints boast improved run defense

saintsfan1976 · 10-11-2007, 04:12 PM

I'm not surprised. The run D looked great at times not only against Carolina.

Euphoria · 10-11-2007, 04:25 PM

I tend to think that those numbers are off for one good reason. You come out against the Saints and you throw the ball. Our pass D has sucked so bad that the best way to score on is is pass. You score enough points and take a commanding lead against the Saints that you force the Saints out of a running game and into the come from behind passing-mode.

The one difference you will notice is that against the Panthers the Saints came out throwing and agressive trying not to allow the Pahters to get up on us by a lot of points early. That would have force the ball into Carr's hands and let him try and beat us. -which obvious never happened.

darstep · 10-11-2007, 04:40 PM

I disagree Euphoria. The attempts to run the ball are there, which proves that the stops were also there. It would be different if run attempts were down to 10 -15, but both quotes show the last two teams tried to run the ball approx. 30 times, and both were kept under 100. Not bad - in fact I will pay closer attention to run stops this week in Seattle. I've been looking for something positive. Those numbers are not a bad start.

Euphoria · 10-11-2007, 04:57 PM

Thats fine... if you disagree. I said tend to... like leaning towards a stance but not comitting one way or the other yet.

What I am leaning towards just to clarify though is that more teams are exposing our pass defense (which would mean possible less yards on running plays and attempts). Even attempts can be missleading if you make more first downs you get MORE ATTEMPTS.

To prove my point is that we have also given up 8 TD passing this qrt of the season which would put us on pace to top last years 28.

Boasting our Run defense is much improved which arguable its not by much... is one of those stat things and I have to agree... "stats are for losers".

iceshack149 · 10-11-2007, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Thats fine... if you disagree. I said tend to... like leaning towards a stance but not comitting one way or the other yet.

What I am leaning towards just to clarify though is that more teams are exposing our pass defense (which would mean possible less yards on running plays and attempts). Even attempts can be missleading if you make more first downs you get MORE ATTEMPTS.

To prove my point is that we have also given up 8 TD passing this qrt of the season which would put us on pace to top last years 28.

Boasting our Run defense is much improved which arguable its not by much... is one of those stat things and I have to agree... "stats are for losers".

The Saints had little trouble halting the Panthers as they rushed for 88 yards on 28 carries.
The same could be said for the previous week when the Saints faced off against Tennessee. The Titans' top-ranked rushing attack averaged more than 200 yards per game. The Saints defense slowed down the Titans to a crawl as they ran for 98 yards on 34 carries.

So an article is making a case that the Saints D-line is getting better and your response is "stats are for losers".
You're too much, Eeyorephoria.

LongTimeFan · 10-11-2007, 07:00 PM

I thought Foster was going to have a decent game going against the Saints, not to be, great job up front..
IMO that game was a BIG plus for our defense.

JOESAM2002 · 10-11-2007, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I tend to think that those numbers are off for one good reason. You come out against the Saints and you throw the ball. Our pass D has sucked so bad that the best way to score on is is pass. You score enough points and take a commanding lead against the Saints that you force the Saints out of a running game and into the come from behind passing-mode.

The one difference you will notice is that against the Panthers the Saints came out throwing and agressive trying not to allow the Pahters to get up on us by a lot of points early. That would have force the ball into Carr's hands and let him try and beat us. -which obvious never happened.

You never cease to amaze me. I don't think there's anything that can make you happy. All this doom and gloom, makes me not even want to come in here and read. Jesus, I wish you'd have something good to say. This crap is old.

SapperSaint · 10-11-2007, 07:47 PM

Eeyorephoria

Dude, that made me LMAO!

Euphoria · 10-11-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

You never cease to amaze me. I don't think there's anything that can make you happy. All this doom and gloom, makes me not even want to come in here and read. Jesus, I wish you'd have something good to say. This crap is old.

How this...

WE are 0-4 yeah! WAAA HOOO Yeah baby!

Perhaps #2 pick in this coming draft... YEAH lets get excited about that! YEAH... WAAAA HOOOO.

10-11-2007, 04:09 PM	#1
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints run defense..... I tend to think that those numbers are off for one good reason. You come out against the Saints and you throw the ball. Our pass D has sucked so bad that the best way to score on is is pass. You score enough points and take a commanding lead against the Saints that you force the Saints out of a running game and into the come from behind passing-mode. The one difference you will notice is that against the Panthers the Saints came out throwing and agressive trying not to allow the Pahters to get up on us by a lot of points early. That would have force the ball into Carr's hands and let him try and beat us. -which obvious never happened.

10-11-2007, 04:40 PM	#4
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Saints run defense..... I disagree Euphoria. The attempts to run the ball are there, which proves that the stops were also there. It would be different if run attempts were down to 10 -15, but both quotes show the last two teams tried to run the ball approx. 30 times, and both were kept under 100. Not bad - in fact I will pay closer attention to run stops this week in Seattle. I've been looking for something positive. Those numbers are not a bad start.

10-11-2007, 04:57 PM	#5
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints run defense..... Thats fine... if you disagree. I said tend to... like leaning towards a stance but not comitting one way or the other yet. What I am leaning towards just to clarify though is that more teams are exposing our pass defense (which would mean possible less yards on running plays and attempts). Even attempts can be missleading if you make more first downs you get MORE ATTEMPTS. To prove my point is that we have also given up 8 TD passing this qrt of the season which would put us on pace to top last years 28. Boasting our Run defense is much improved which arguable its not by much... is one of those stat things and I have to agree... "stats are for losers".
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10-11-2007, 05:43 PM	#6
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints run defense..... Originally Posted by Euphoria Thats fine... if you disagree. I said tend to... like leaning towards a stance but not comitting one way or the other yet. What I am leaning towards just to clarify though is that more teams are exposing our pass defense (which would mean possible less yards on running plays and attempts). Even attempts can be missleading if you make more first downs you get MORE ATTEMPTS. To prove my point is that we have also given up 8 TD passing this qrt of the season which would put us on pace to top last years 28. Boasting our Run defense is much improved which arguable its not by much... is one of those stat things and I have to agree... "stats are for losers". The Saints had little trouble halting the Panthers as they rushed for 88 yards on 28 carries. The same could be said for the previous week when the Saints faced off against Tennessee. The Titans' top-ranked rushing attack averaged more than 200 yards per game. The Saints defense slowed down the Titans to a crawl as they ran for 98 yards on 34 carries. So an article is making a case that the Saints D-line is getting better and your response is "stats are for losers". You're too much, Eeyorephoria.

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JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Saints run defense..... Originally Posted by Euphoria I tend to think that those numbers are off for one good reason. You come out against the Saints and you throw the ball. Our pass D has sucked so bad that the best way to score on is is pass. You score enough points and take a commanding lead against the Saints that you force the Saints out of a running game and into the come from behind passing-mode. The one difference you will notice is that against the Panthers the Saints came out throwing and agressive trying not to allow the Pahters to get up on us by a lot of points early. That would have force the ball into Carr's hands and let him try and beat us. -which obvious never happened. You never cease to amaze me. I don't think there's anything that can make you happy. All this doom and gloom, makes me not even want to come in here and read. Jesus, I wish you'd have something good to say. This crap is old.

10-11-2007, 07:47 PM	#9
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10-11-2007, 07:49 PM	#10
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints run defense..... Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 You never cease to amaze me. I don't think there's anything that can make you happy. All this doom and gloom, makes me not even want to come in here and read. Jesus, I wish you'd have something good to say. This crap is old. How this... WE are 0-4 yeah! WAAA HOOO Yeah baby! Perhaps #2 pick in this coming draft... YEAH lets get excited about that! YEAH... WAAAA HOOOO.