Interesting data

FireVenturi · 10-22-2007, 06:01 PM

I think all eleven guys at sometime or another are to blame. Like on a couple times yesterday Drew threw the ball and the receivers didnt turn their head in time. EVERYONE is at fault, team sport guys

FrenzyFan · 10-22-2007, 02:00 PM

As odd as it may seem to some, I am also watching the games (haven't missed a Saints' game in I can't remember how many years). In the first two games, the O-line was an absolute mess of ill-performance. The third game they started to look a little better, and in the last three it appears to me that they've shaped up considerably. While the O-line is showing what every one seems to regard as steady improvement, we still see severely sputtering offense every week. That lends me to seek other reasons for the lack of production.

In essense, I guess what I think I am seeing is that through 12 halves of football, I've only seen the offense I expected show up for one (at Seattle first half). I can give them a pass for the second half of the Seattle game, due to the fact they were playing to hold the lead and even Payton talked about how he thought he called it too conservatively. If the basic assumption that the O-line is improving its performance is true, therefore something else must be responsible for the lack of production in the last three games.

If I had to take a swing at what I think it might be, I'd say that the play-calling has been pretty bad at times. Add to that that Brees has not been accurate in 5 of 6 games (I think he was right on at Seattle), and I believe I have a 'winner'.

I'm nervous about our QB, plain and simple. I partially tore my rotator cuff in highschool. I concede that I did not have NEAR the medical care that Brees had (also didn't have near the amount of damage either, but I digress), but when my arm was "recovered" my throws tended to float. The whole throwing motion just felt "wrong" and I could never get it back. I talked about that prior to last season on this board. All last year, I watched Brees show that he still had "it". I happily chalked it up to better medical procedures since my day and enjoyed the hell out of watching my Saints do things I'd never seen them capable of doing before.

This year, I'm watching Brees' mid-range and deep ball float. I'm watching him seem to lose his "touch" on some throws. Why would that show up in his second year after the injury? I don't have a clue and I sure hope I'm wrong, but I'm watching the games and he's not hitting receivers in stride any more. I'm not sure why that is - but I'm worried.

ScottyRo · 10-22-2007, 05:12 PM

Even before my last post I did mention that they are improved, but still not great. I, too, believe Brees has confidence issues: 1) his WR's have dropped a lot of balls and 2) the O-line didn't protect him from start to finish in the first 3 games.

When he had plenty of time to throw, he looked like he was expecting to get blindsided any second. It's going to take time to get that confidence back.

But let's not re-write the history of this season so far. Just because the o-line played ok and Brees had some time to throw and didn't do a great job every time in the Falcons game does not mean that the o-line wasn't the problem the first three games.

DeadmaN · 10-22-2007, 05:41 PM

I think that all of the players on this team are outstanding players but I personally don't think that any of they have been playing up to par this season including Brees but I don’t think he is a bad QB by that either…

I'm not making excuses for the guy and he did flat out through that INT against Atlanta there was no excuse for it but I think that considering the bad start and that lack of effort out of the O line during the first 3 games and all the receivers missing and dropping balls I think the whole Offence has a confidence issue But I think that that confidence issue is going to show more in Brees because he is the one with the ball in his hands right from the start of the play

But I also think that now that things are swinging in there direction you will see a difference out of them each week unless they hit a pothole that knocks the whole thing out-of-wack again

lets pray that they swerve and miss that pothole

I say everyone needs to be a little less critical of them right now until we all can see how all of this is going to unfold
They have show improvements at almost ever position and on all sides of the ball. These improvements may be small and had to notice but it’s starting to show where it counts…
We are no longer winless!!!!!

I’ll take 2 & 4 over 0 & 6 any day of the week

Considering that fact that they have put there best foot forward and are starting to move in the right direction lets just give them a chance.

DeadmaN · 10-22-2007, 06:00 PM

[QUOTE=DeadmaN;143294] They have show improvements at almost ever position and on all sides of the ball. These improvements may be small and had to notice but it’s starting to show where it counts…
We are no longer winless!!!!!
[QUOTE]

bahhh can't edit the post
I meant to say...

They have shown improvements at almost ever position and on all sides of the ball. These improvements may be small and hard to notice but it’s starting to show where it counts…
We are no longer winless!!!!!

LongTimeFan · 10-22-2007, 06:34 PM

The OL is improving, that's all that counts right now, the rest will fall into place with Brees.

WhoDat205 · 10-22-2007, 08:41 PM

The line has played well the last two games and brees has had a lot of time to throw the ball. The thing that hurts this offense the most is the absence of a power running game. Even if you line up reggie in the I and run him between the tackles, a CB or safety can bring him down without difficulty. Therefore the D can run more pass sets and focus on not getting beat deep. It really makes this offense one dimensional.

Budsdrinker · 10-23-2007, 07:56 AM

I agree with the lack of confidence by the entire team. You can see that the confidence is starting to come back but it still has a way to go starting with coach Payton down to Brees and so on. payton needs to mix it up a bit, pass out of the I formation from time to time. Right now the minute we get into the I everyone knows we are going to run. That would be a perfect time for play action to the TE. I think I saw one pass out of the I to Karney on Sunday. I would like to see the TE used more to pull LB's away from the line and help open up running lanes.

papz · 10-23-2007, 08:44 AM

But let's not re-write the history of this season so far. Just because the o-line played ok and Brees had some time to throw and didn't do a great job every time in the Falcons game does not mean that the o-line wasn't the problem the first three games.

No one's re-writing history... we all know that. Everyone has said that.

QBREES9 · 10-23-2007, 09:10 AM

Its rhythm, wheres the rhythm, 3 and out 3 and out 3 and out. Thats not the rhythm we want. So then you press and bad thing happen.

10-22-2007, 06:01 PM	#1
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: Interesting data I think all eleven guys at sometime or another are to blame. Like on a couple times yesterday Drew threw the ball and the receivers didnt turn their head in time. EVERYONE is at fault, team sport guys

10-22-2007, 02:00 PM	#2
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: Interesting data As odd as it may seem to some, I am also watching the games (haven't missed a Saints' game in I can't remember how many years). In the first two games, the O-line was an absolute mess of ill-performance. The third game they started to look a little better, and in the last three it appears to me that they've shaped up considerably. While the O-line is showing what every one seems to regard as steady improvement, we still see severely sputtering offense every week. That lends me to seek other reasons for the lack of production. In essense, I guess what I think I am seeing is that through 12 halves of football, I've only seen the offense I expected show up for one (at Seattle first half). I can give them a pass for the second half of the Seattle game, due to the fact they were playing to hold the lead and even Payton talked about how he thought he called it too conservatively. If the basic assumption that the O-line is improving its performance is true, therefore something else must be responsible for the lack of production in the last three games. If I had to take a swing at what I think it might be, I'd say that the play-calling has been pretty bad at times. Add to that that Brees has not been accurate in 5 of 6 games (I think he was right on at Seattle), and I believe I have a 'winner'. I'm nervous about our QB, plain and simple. I partially tore my rotator cuff in highschool. I concede that I did not have NEAR the medical care that Brees had (also didn't have near the amount of damage either, but I digress), but when my arm was "recovered" my throws tended to float. The whole throwing motion just felt "wrong" and I could never get it back. I talked about that prior to last season on this board. All last year, I watched Brees show that he still had "it". I happily chalked it up to better medical procedures since my day and enjoyed the hell out of watching my Saints do things I'd never seen them capable of doing before. This year, I'm watching Brees' mid-range and deep ball float. I'm watching him seem to lose his "touch" on some throws. Why would that show up in his second year after the injury? I don't have a clue and I sure hope I'm wrong, but I'm watching the games and he's not hitting receivers in stride any more. I'm not sure why that is - but I'm worried.
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10-22-2007, 05:12 PM	#3
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Re: Interesting data Even before my last post I did mention that they are improved, but still not great. I, too, believe Brees has confidence issues: 1) his WR's have dropped a lot of balls and 2) the O-line didn't protect him from start to finish in the first 3 games. When he had plenty of time to throw, he looked like he was expecting to get blindsided any second. It's going to take time to get that confidence back. But let's not re-write the history of this season so far. Just because the o-line played ok and Brees had some time to throw and didn't do a great job every time in the Falcons game does not mean that the o-line wasn't the problem the first three games.

10-22-2007, 05:41 PM	#4
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Interesting data I think that all of the players on this team are outstanding players but I personally don't think that any of they have been playing up to par this season including Brees but I don’t think he is a bad QB by that either… I'm not making excuses for the guy and he did flat out through that INT against Atlanta there was no excuse for it but I think that considering the bad start and that lack of effort out of the O line during the first 3 games and all the receivers missing and dropping balls I think the whole Offence has a confidence issue But I think that that confidence issue is going to show more in Brees because he is the one with the ball in his hands right from the start of the play But I also think that now that things are swinging in there direction you will see a difference out of them each week unless they hit a pothole that knocks the whole thing out-of-wack again lets pray that they swerve and miss that pothole I say everyone needs to be a little less critical of them right now until we all can see how all of this is going to unfold They have show improvements at almost ever position and on all sides of the ball. These improvements may be small and had to notice but it’s starting to show where it counts… We are no longer winless!!!!! I’ll take 2 & 4 over 0 & 6 any day of the week Considering that fact that they have put there best foot forward and are starting to move in the right direction lets just give them a chance.
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10-22-2007, 06:00 PM	#5
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Interesting data [QUOTE=DeadmaN;143294] They have show improvements at almost ever position and on all sides of the ball. These improvements may be small and had to notice but it’s starting to show where it counts… We are no longer winless!!!!! [QUOTE] bahhh can't edit the post I meant to say... They have shown improvements at almost ever position and on all sides of the ball. These improvements may be small and hard to notice but it’s starting to show where it counts… We are no longer winless!!!!!

10-22-2007, 06:34 PM	#6
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Re: Interesting data The OL is improving, that's all that counts right now, the rest will fall into place with Brees.

10-22-2007, 08:41 PM	#7
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Interesting data The line has played well the last two games and brees has had a lot of time to throw the ball. The thing that hurts this offense the most is the absence of a power running game. Even if you line up reggie in the I and run him between the tackles, a CB or safety can bring him down without difficulty. Therefore the D can run more pass sets and focus on not getting beat deep. It really makes this offense one dimensional.

10-23-2007, 07:56 AM	#8
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Interesting data I agree with the lack of confidence by the entire team. You can see that the confidence is starting to come back but it still has a way to go starting with coach Payton down to Brees and so on. payton needs to mix it up a bit, pass out of the I formation from time to time. Right now the minute we get into the I everyone knows we are going to run. That would be a perfect time for play action to the TE. I think I saw one pass out of the I to Karney on Sunday. I would like to see the TE used more to pull LB's away from the line and help open up running lanes.

10-23-2007, 08:44 AM	#9
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Interesting data But let's not re-write the history of this season so far. Just because the o-line played ok and Brees had some time to throw and didn't do a great job every time in the Falcons game does not mean that the o-line wasn't the problem the first three games. No one's re-writing history... we all know that. Everyone has said that.

10-23-2007, 09:10 AM	#10
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: Interesting data Its rhythm, wheres the rhythm, 3 and out 3 and out 3 and out. Thats not the rhythm we want. So then you press and bad thing happen.