Interesting data

ScottyRo · 10-22-2007, 06:12 PM

Even before my last post I did mention that they are improved, but still not great. I, too, believe Brees has confidence issues: 1) his WR's have dropped a lot of balls and 2) the O-line didn't protect him from start to finish in the first 3 games.

When he had plenty of time to throw, he looked like he was expecting to get blindsided any second. It's going to take time to get that confidence back.

But let's not re-write the history of this season so far. Just because the o-line played ok and Brees had some time to throw and didn't do a great job every time in the Falcons game does not mean that the o-line wasn't the problem the first three games.

DeadmaN · 10-22-2007, 06:41 PM

I think that all of the players on this team are outstanding players but I personally don't think that any of they have been playing up to par this season including Brees but I don’t think he is a bad QB by that either…

I'm not making excuses for the guy and he did flat out through that INT against Atlanta there was no excuse for it but I think that considering the bad start and that lack of effort out of the O line during the first 3 games and all the receivers missing and dropping balls I think the whole Offence has a confidence issue But I think that that confidence issue is going to show more in Brees because he is the one with the ball in his hands right from the start of the play

But I also think that now that things are swinging in there direction you will see a difference out of them each week unless they hit a pothole that knocks the whole thing out-of-wack again

lets pray that they swerve and miss that pothole

I say everyone needs to be a little less critical of them right now until we all can see how all of this is going to unfold
They have show improvements at almost ever position and on all sides of the ball. These improvements may be small and had to notice but it’s starting to show where it counts…
We are no longer winless!!!!!

I’ll take 2 & 4 over 0 & 6 any day of the week

Considering that fact that they have put there best foot forward and are starting to move in the right direction lets just give them a chance.

JOESAM2002 · 10-22-2007, 06:47 PM

I think its a little bit of all of them. Drew, the line and the wide outs. Hell even the backs. They all need to do a better job.

DeadmaN · 10-22-2007, 07:00 PM

[QUOTE=DeadmaN;143294] They have show improvements at almost ever position and on all sides of the ball. These improvements may be small and had to notice but it’s starting to show where it counts…
We are no longer winless!!!!!
[QUOTE]

bahhh can't edit the post
I meant to say...

They have shown improvements at almost ever position and on all sides of the ball. These improvements may be small and hard to notice but it’s starting to show where it counts…
We are no longer winless!!!!!

FireVenturi · 10-22-2007, 07:01 PM

I think all eleven guys at sometime or another are to blame. Like on a couple times yesterday Drew threw the ball and the receivers didnt turn their head in time. EVERYONE is at fault, team sport guys

LongTimeFan · 10-22-2007, 07:34 PM

The OL is improving, that's all that counts right now, the rest will fall into place with Brees.

WhoDat205 · 10-22-2007, 09:41 PM

The line has played well the last two games and brees has had a lot of time to throw the ball. The thing that hurts this offense the most is the absence of a power running game. Even if you line up reggie in the I and run him between the tackles, a CB or safety can bring him down without difficulty. Therefore the D can run more pass sets and focus on not getting beat deep. It really makes this offense one dimensional.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-23-2007, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

I think its a little bit of all of them. Drew, the line and the wide outs. Hell even the backs. They all need to do a better job.

Don't leave Coach Payton out of this list. There are times when the guy outsmarts himself. I was very very happy in the last two minutes of the Falcons game that he trusted his backs enough to get the first down and run out the clock. Normally Coach "Mad Scientist" would have called some wide receiver bubble screen or had Brees dropping back to pass. Our offense would consistently be more potent and more consistent if Coach simply committed to the run. Get Bush, PT23, and the Karneyvore out on the field, and keep up the zone stretch with the cutback, the end around misdirection, the sprint draw, and yes some plain old grunt power football between the tackles. Use the run game as the foundation to set up the passing attack.

If Bush and PT23 are getting 5-6 yards per carry running behind Karney, then there's no reason to throw the football until the defense adjusts to stop the run. Then you throw over the top. A perfect example of that was the Henderson TD in the first half. That TD was set up by the fact that Bush was running the ball effectively prior to the play. Now the play action sucked the safety in like a vacuum cleaner.

So add Coach to the list. He needs to impose a 25 pass limit on his offense to the get the run game going.

SFIAH

Budsdrinker · 10-23-2007, 08:56 AM

I agree with the lack of confidence by the entire team. You can see that the confidence is starting to come back but it still has a way to go starting with coach Payton down to Brees and so on. payton needs to mix it up a bit, pass out of the I formation from time to time. Right now the minute we get into the I everyone knows we are going to run. That would be a perfect time for play action to the TE. I think I saw one pass out of the I to Karney on Sunday. I would like to see the TE used more to pull LB's away from the line and help open up running lanes.

papz · 10-23-2007, 09:44 AM

But let's not re-write the history of this season so far. Just because the o-line played ok and Brees had some time to throw and didn't do a great job every time in the Falcons game does not mean that the o-line wasn't the problem the first three games.

No one's re-writing history... we all know that. Everyone has said that.

10-22-2007, 06:12 PM	#11
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Re: Interesting data Even before my last post I did mention that they are improved, but still not great. I, too, believe Brees has confidence issues: 1) his WR's have dropped a lot of balls and 2) the O-line didn't protect him from start to finish in the first 3 games. When he had plenty of time to throw, he looked like he was expecting to get blindsided any second. It's going to take time to get that confidence back. But let's not re-write the history of this season so far. Just because the o-line played ok and Brees had some time to throw and didn't do a great job every time in the Falcons game does not mean that the o-line wasn't the problem the first three games.

10-22-2007, 06:41 PM	#12
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Interesting data I think that all of the players on this team are outstanding players but I personally don't think that any of they have been playing up to par this season including Brees but I don’t think he is a bad QB by that either… I'm not making excuses for the guy and he did flat out through that INT against Atlanta there was no excuse for it but I think that considering the bad start and that lack of effort out of the O line during the first 3 games and all the receivers missing and dropping balls I think the whole Offence has a confidence issue But I think that that confidence issue is going to show more in Brees because he is the one with the ball in his hands right from the start of the play But I also think that now that things are swinging in there direction you will see a difference out of them each week unless they hit a pothole that knocks the whole thing out-of-wack again lets pray that they swerve and miss that pothole I say everyone needs to be a little less critical of them right now until we all can see how all of this is going to unfold They have show improvements at almost ever position and on all sides of the ball. These improvements may be small and had to notice but it’s starting to show where it counts… We are no longer winless!!!!! I’ll take 2 & 4 over 0 & 6 any day of the week Considering that fact that they have put there best foot forward and are starting to move in the right direction lets just give them a chance.
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10-22-2007, 06:47 PM	#13
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Interesting data I think its a little bit of all of them. Drew, the line and the wide outs. Hell even the backs. They all need to do a better job.

10-22-2007, 07:00 PM	#14
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Interesting data [QUOTE=DeadmaN;143294] They have show improvements at almost ever position and on all sides of the ball. These improvements may be small and had to notice but it’s starting to show where it counts… We are no longer winless!!!!! [QUOTE] bahhh can't edit the post I meant to say... They have shown improvements at almost ever position and on all sides of the ball. These improvements may be small and hard to notice but it’s starting to show where it counts… We are no longer winless!!!!!

10-22-2007, 07:01 PM	#15
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: Interesting data I think all eleven guys at sometime or another are to blame. Like on a couple times yesterday Drew threw the ball and the receivers didnt turn their head in time. EVERYONE is at fault, team sport guys

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10-22-2007, 07:34 PM	#16
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Re: Interesting data The OL is improving, that's all that counts right now, the rest will fall into place with Brees.

10-22-2007, 09:41 PM	#17
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Interesting data The line has played well the last two games and brees has had a lot of time to throw the ball. The thing that hurts this offense the most is the absence of a power running game. Even if you line up reggie in the I and run him between the tackles, a CB or safety can bring him down without difficulty. Therefore the D can run more pass sets and focus on not getting beat deep. It really makes this offense one dimensional.

10-23-2007, 08:07 AM	#18
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,774	Re: Interesting data Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 I think its a little bit of all of them. Drew, the line and the wide outs. Hell even the backs. They all need to do a better job. Don't leave Coach Payton out of this list. There are times when the guy outsmarts himself. I was very very happy in the last two minutes of the Falcons game that he trusted his backs enough to get the first down and run out the clock. Normally Coach "Mad Scientist" would have called some wide receiver bubble screen or had Brees dropping back to pass. Our offense would consistently be more potent and more consistent if Coach simply committed to the run. Get Bush, PT23, and the Karneyvore out on the field, and keep up the zone stretch with the cutback, the end around misdirection, the sprint draw, and yes some plain old grunt power football between the tackles. Use the run game as the foundation to set up the passing attack. If Bush and PT23 are getting 5-6 yards per carry running behind Karney, then there's no reason to throw the football until the defense adjusts to stop the run. Then you throw over the top. A perfect example of that was the Henderson TD in the first half. That TD was set up by the fact that Bush was running the ball effectively prior to the play. Now the play action sucked the safety in like a vacuum cleaner. So add Coach to the list. He needs to impose a 25 pass limit on his offense to the get the run game going. SFIAH
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10-23-2007, 08:56 AM	#19
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Interesting data I agree with the lack of confidence by the entire team. You can see that the confidence is starting to come back but it still has a way to go starting with coach Payton down to Brees and so on. payton needs to mix it up a bit, pass out of the I formation from time to time. Right now the minute we get into the I everyone knows we are going to run. That would be a perfect time for play action to the TE. I think I saw one pass out of the I to Karney on Sunday. I would like to see the TE used more to pull LB's away from the line and help open up running lanes.

10-23-2007, 09:44 AM	#20
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: Interesting data But let's not re-write the history of this season so far. Just because the o-line played ok and Brees had some time to throw and didn't do a great job every time in the Falcons game does not mean that the o-line wasn't the problem the first three games. No one's re-writing history... we all know that. Everyone has said that.