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OMG - Papz and I agree!!!

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OK I'd like to argue with your theory at the BIG PICTURE.
Here are the net passing yards against the Saints this year and notice the 2 games that we gave up the most yardage is in this 4 game winning streak when teams were trying to play catch up. The key to losing the first 4 were turnovers 12 of them campared to only 4 in the 4 game winning streak. Here are the stats starting with the Colts, yardage then turnovers.
288 3TO, 243 2TO, 186 5TO 1 FOR TD, 155 2TO, 333 1TO, 259 1 TO, 177 1TO, 344 1TO.

Only teams to throw for over 300 yards Seattle and Jacksonville both wins for the Saints.

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Umm...a 3rd for Smith? 4th for Grant? Is this bizzarro Papz or the real Papz? I have trouble discerning these days. This is a very good D-Line.

The problems with the pass rush are more complex than just saying the D-Line sucks. When you're bringing 4 DLs against 5 OLs and a TE or a RB, then there's never going to be a pass rush. That means you gotta bring guys from other spots starting with LBs and mix in some DBs here and there. That weakens your coverage ability by leaving fewer guys to defend the pass.

The way I see it is Payton and Co. have committed to stopping the run and forcing teams to pass by leaving guys back in coverage and only bringing 4. It's a smart scheme if you think about it. The Saints biggest weapon is the O - the Passing game to be specific - so stop the run and lengthen the game. Give Brees and Co. more time to outscore the opposition.

The one game where you saw a fair amount of blitzing was the seattle game...when we were facing a banged up (washed-up?) Alexander. The pressure was there in that game.

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LOL... I was only being sarcastic! :mrgreen:

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sounds like euph is calling for us to somehow get glenn dorsey...he's always double teamed :) and would be a damn good asset.

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Ok but remember you said you wanted to argue. The BIG PICTURE is the D as a whole and what teams are doing to the Saints. Don't take each game seperately average out us compated to other teams in the league. all those yards you posted equates to a ranking of 27th out of 32 teams. Now I aske you is that good or bad??? Do you think teams are coming out passing on us or running the ball??? If your answers are "Yes - Passing". Then you have the big picture and the reason why the Saints D is ranked 21st and that is not good for any championship quality team.

Stats are misleading they don't tell you what teams are doing on offense against us and if you break it down to show only what you want to show fine but its wrong. You have to study the games and the players performance. If say the Colts come out on us and run the ball every play the whole game... never pass the ball that woud rank our pass D as Number 1. Its misleading.

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Well not yet but he is on my radar but will we have a high enough pick to snag him???

I seriously can be happy with that but any TOP O line man or D linemen and I would be happy. We got to get pressure upfront and we have got to get some blocking (downfield).

You have to command/demand some double teams on the line of scrimmage its the real way you get penatration and blitz going.

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Just watched all of J'ville's pass plays from Sunday (up until CBS cut to the Bengals game). There were 4 blitzes:

1. Result was a hurry and an "injury" to Gray.
2. Gray was pressured and sacked, the result was a holding penalty.
3. Hurry, but Gray got it off for a 5 yd gain, result was a 4th down attempt, int, TD.
4. This was a nickle blitz from Craft. Gray saw it, hit the slot on the out for a TD.

Every other play we brought 4 rushers against 6 blockers.

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Dorsey's out of the question. He's top three and will probably go to MIA or STL. The worst part about that is that MIA will probably take Ryan or Woodson and STL will get GD. That leaves either the Jets or the Falcons getting D-Mac. Consider me a part-time Falcons fan until 12/10.

Now, how can you seriously say that DL and OL are the places we need players? Because of screen passes and pass D? Talk about seeing the "big picture". Who's covering the recievers? Isn't CB a position if dire need? If you want more pressure, what about LB? The only way to blitz is to blitz. Maybe a DT to get ready for HT to retire...maybe, but not in the first round.

As for the OL, they're one of the best in the league, period. Five sack in 8 games - one of which is dubious at best - is outstanding especially if you consider the poor play in the first three games (which can be partially credited to the overly complicated blocking schemes that were later taken out). The only QB's that have been sacked less are Matt Leinart and Kurt Warner who both have 4....and play for the same team. The crazy thing about it is, there's deapth on the line. Strief and Goodwin are quaility backups and who knows how Alleman and Bushrod will turn out. They're young, too. The only one over 28 is Nesbit who's 30.

You can never have too many OL-men, but we need a back-up QB and a power RB just as bad.

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My last response to this I promise.
In the 4 losses the Colts were almost perfectly balanced with 29 rushes and 30 passes. The other 3 losses were 32 rush to 16 pass, 34 rush to 26 pass, 28 rush to 19 pass. The major difference was turnovers on offense. The 4 wins which in all the games except Atlanta the opp. was playing catch up and they threw more. 21 rush to 43 pass, 24 rush to 41 pass, 21 rush to 43 pass, 23 rush to 33 pass. Seattle and the 49's threw the most with 43 attempts each with a yard per catch of 6.9 and 3.9 yards per catch respectively. Yes stats can be misleading but the defense isn't that bad and by the way what was the Colt's defense ranked last year?

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Thats easy... Colts D finished 5th last season. The mark of a champion.

Again those numbers are misleading. You have to watch the games and see how the teams come out against us. They come out throwing and several times before running the ball. They are pass happy against us. They get 2-3 TD's ahead and they can relax as we have to go one dimensional on them with a pass happy offense which caused turnovers... all the stats are misleading based on what the teams do/game plan against us.

BIG PICTURE is really important and what other teams are doing to us.

I also thank you for your debating and not making personal attacks.

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The Colts were 21st, actually.

ESPN - NFL Football Statistics and League Leaders - National Football League

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Stats can be misleading WhoDat205... and stats are for losers.

;)

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These are great stats! Carnell Williams, Young-White-Brown, Foster-Williams, Alexander, Dunn-Norwood, Gore, and the biggest task: Taylor and Jones-Drew.

That's a good run defense.

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This is a forum to discuss a game. It should never be personal!!

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actually you are right... I was looking at the wrong thing.

but here is what I mean but stats that are misleading. I can also say that I am right based on TOTAL Yards per game which the Colts were ranked 5th and the Saints 21st in 2006 Still a HUGE difference.

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Blacksaint...it's all good dawg...we 4-4 after that horrible start. The Defense is ballin!!

The people posting all this negative foolishness is just trying to justify the negative foolishness they were posting when we were 0-4.

Yeah...at first we were playing bad....but guess what...NOW WE ARE NOT!!!

I'm am really enjoying the way we are handling that early season adversity. This shows me that we have LEADERS on this team.

We've won 4 straight!!!!

Enjoy this...I am!

And for all you nay sayers....don't hate....just go post on the carolina panthers site or something....cause us BLACKANDGOLD lovers is Loving this WINNING STREAK!

WHO DAT!!!!