The swing Pass

QBREES9 · 11-05-2007, 10:03 PM

Why the swing pass to the RB is so hard to defend. Granted, I love it when Reggie breaks one for 10-15 yards. But it seems like the spy on the back should be able to come up and pick that thing for six every time!

If i'm a linebacker assigned to the RB, i'm following him to the outside, if I see his head looking back i'm taking off as if they are throwing to him.

More times than not, that play is good for at least 6-8 yards.

Only reason I think of this is I see the Rams doing this a lot if Jackson plays sunday!!

MatthewT · 11-05-2007, 11:33 PM

Well, good point that a spy should be able to pick that pass off. The problem is not many linebackers can even think about covering a guy like Reggie Bush, and Brees is usually good enough at reading defenses not to throw that pass if the LB plays it right. If a LB has a tendency to take off, a good pump fake would leave a guy like Bush wide open. Then a guy like Bush has nothing but open field and a potential TD. So far I would say teams are doing OK at defending Bush in the passing game.

saintsrule · 11-06-2007, 02:52 AM

He seems to do well with it. But as soon as Reggie and the O-Line get on the same page they will be able to run alot also.

Saintsfan4ever · 11-06-2007, 05:38 AM

QBREES I see your point and I've thought about that too. I agree with MathewT, it seems the defenses we've played would rather play the containment than go for the pick.
But then you look at a team like the RAMS 0-8, what do they really have to lose? We're probably gonna see them take some chances for big plays on both sides of the ball.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-06-2007, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by saintsrule

He seems to do well with it. But as soon as Reggie and the O-Line get on the same page they will be able to run alot also.

What makes you think that Bush and the J5 are not on the same page? In the last 4 games Reggie has broken off several long runs running inside the tackles. The lack of consistency comes from a lack of playcalling, not execution.

17 for 72 yards is 4.2 YPC. That's respectable.

SFIAH

WhoDat205 · 11-06-2007, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Why the swing pass to the RB is so hard to defend. Granted, I love it when Reggie breaks one for 10-15 yards. But it seems like the spy on the back should be able to come up and pick that thing for six every time!

If i'm a linebacker assigned to the RB, i'm following him to the outside, if I see his head looking back i'm taking off as if they are throwing to him.

More times than not, that play is good for at least 6-8 yards.

Only reason I think of this is I see the Rams doing this a lot if Jackson plays sunday!!

The swing pass works for a few reasons. First, they usually run it out of a two-tight or three wide single back set. Generally speaking either the MLB in a two tight or weakside LB in a 3-wide will have back responsibility (especially in a nickle set). These guys can't beat Reggie to the corner.

Also, the pass is behind the LOS so the Center can go downfield and block these linebackers.

11-05-2007, 10:03 PM	#1
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	The swing Pass Why the swing pass to the RB is so hard to defend. Granted, I love it when Reggie breaks one for 10-15 yards. But it seems like the spy on the back should be able to come up and pick that thing for six every time! If i'm a linebacker assigned to the RB, i'm following him to the outside, if I see his head looking back i'm taking off as if they are throwing to him. More times than not, that play is good for at least 6-8 yards. Only reason I think of this is I see the Rams doing this a lot if Jackson plays sunday!!

11-05-2007, 11:33 PM	#2
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: The swing Pass Well, good point that a spy should be able to pick that pass off. The problem is not many linebackers can even think about covering a guy like Reggie Bush, and Brees is usually good enough at reading defenses not to throw that pass if the LB plays it right. If a LB has a tendency to take off, a good pump fake would leave a guy like Bush wide open. Then a guy like Bush has nothing but open field and a potential TD. So far I would say teams are doing OK at defending Bush in the passing game.

11-06-2007, 02:52 AM	#3
saintsrule 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 657	Re: The swing Pass He seems to do well with it. But as soon as Reggie and the O-Line get on the same page they will be able to run alot also.
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11-06-2007, 05:38 AM	#4
Saintsfan4ever 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Moss Point, MS Posts: 612 Blog Entries: 1	Re: The swing Pass QBREES I see your point and I've thought about that too. I agree with MathewT, it seems the defenses we've played would rather play the containment than go for the pick. But then you look at a team like the RAMS 0-8, what do they really have to lose? We're probably gonna see them take some chances for big plays on both sides of the ball.

11-06-2007, 07:32 AM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: The swing Pass Originally Posted by saintsrule He seems to do well with it. But as soon as Reggie and the O-Line get on the same page they will be able to run alot also. What makes you think that Bush and the J5 are not on the same page? In the last 4 games Reggie has broken off several long runs running inside the tackles. The lack of consistency comes from a lack of playcalling, not execution. 17 for 72 yards is 4.2 YPC. That's respectable. SFIAH

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11-06-2007, 09:09 AM	#6
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: The swing Pass Originally Posted by QBREES9 Why the swing pass to the RB is so hard to defend. Granted, I love it when Reggie breaks one for 10-15 yards. But it seems like the spy on the back should be able to come up and pick that thing for six every time! If i'm a linebacker assigned to the RB, i'm following him to the outside, if I see his head looking back i'm taking off as if they are throwing to him. More times than not, that play is good for at least 6-8 yards. Only reason I think of this is I see the Rams doing this a lot if Jackson plays sunday!! The swing pass works for a few reasons. First, they usually run it out of a two-tight or three wide single back set. Generally speaking either the MLB in a two tight or weakside LB in a 3-wide will have back responsibility (especially in a nickle set). These guys can't beat Reggie to the corner. Also, the pass is behind the LOS so the Center can go downfield and block these linebackers.