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Thank you, Sean Payton, for calling every pass play for 20 yards down the field. That's our strong suit, after all; not the short passing game that's won us four in a row.

Thank you, Sean Payton, for your wonderful mouse-traps, empty wagons, and other drama. It's good to know that our NFL team can appreciate a good metaphor. They played like sissies today, but I guess it was worth it.

Thank you, Sean Payton, for your signing of Jason David. Last year, it made the other teams feel bad that we outscored them all the time. This evened the odds nicely.

Thank you, Sean Payton, for continuing to play Jason David when our backup CBs are playing so much better. We wouldn't want to hurt his feelings and besides, our offense can make up for it, right?

Thank you, Sean Payton, for your amazing predictability. Its easy to see that you selected today's program because you thought you could steam-roll a bad team. Now, we can listen all week to how much we suck from our membership.

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He's still learning. It's just his second year. The FO missed on all it's offseason moves and in the draft. Don't forget last years success. Blah, blah, blah.

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We should all take a page out of the Steelers book. You get a coach, you allow him to learn some lessons and build a team. They don't get rid of there coaches that often and don't get frustrated with a few so so seasons. I do hope he learns he needs a new D coach with new ideas and philosophy.

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So true,I think Payton is a good coach. I do, however, wonder at times about Gibbs. He seems to get stuck in the same old rut. I know what they say about blitzing all the time, but if your cb's are getting beat any way, give them some help by blitzing. Hell, they're losing the battle already. Help them win the war. Our linebackers and safetys might not be the best but they are fast. They can and do get to the qb when allowed to. Turn them loose and let them help.

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Thank you Sean Payton for being the Heach Coach of our team.

Thankn you Sean Payton for coaching a terrible 3-13 football team all the way to the NFC Championship game in your very first year... for actually giving Saints fans visions of the Super Bowl when our team was actually winning in the 3rd quarter.

Thank you Sean Payton for creating one of the most exciting and explosive offenses in the NFL.

Thank you Sean Payton for pursuing and bringing in Drew Brees when nobody wanted him... for taking Reggie Bush, Jahri Evans, and Marques Colston... for leading our 0-4 team everyone left for dead to 4 wins in a row and putting our team right back in the playoff picture this year.

Thank you Sean Payton for not listening to morons, who after playing 872 hours of Madden video games, religiously watching NFL Live, and consider the rhetoric NFL analysts and commentators spew comparable to Solomon's proverbs, wholeheartedly believe they know more than you, the coaching staff, and the players.

There are things about the team I'm not sure are right, but you, Sean Payton, after only 1 and 1/2 years, have earned the benefit of the doubt. Some fans think there opinions are the Bible and that you are an idiot. They give the majority of Saints fans like me all-knowing morons.

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**correction**
They give the majority of Saints fans like me reps as all-knowing morons.

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That was the perfect response. Good show, jcoll. Post of the day.

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An opinion is an opinion, none more valuable than any other. Thank you for sharing yours.

In mine, there are some serious coaching problems on this team. I cannot explain the play calling, Olindo Mare's continued roster spot, Jason David continuing to start, etc. any other way that makes sense to me. In yours, Sean Payton is the second coming. You spoke of last years draft in glowing terms. I speak of this year's draft as a complete bust (so far - though I note that the guy we moved up to pick in the fourth round ran well AGAINST us yesterday after we cut him and kept Stecker).

I don't play Madden. I don't get the NFL network. I think analysts are mostly talking just to get a reaction, not saying what they think. All the same, I do know what a Mustang looks like and that I won't call one a Ferrari, simply because I love my Mustang.

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What did Mare do wrong this past weekend. No missed kicks and 2 perfectly kicked onsides attempts right through Bullocks' hands. I can see blasting him when he misses or plays poorly but his name shouldn't be mentioned this week.

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When we are winning play calling is exceptional, when we lose its horrible. I am not buying its the play calling. What I am jumping on is the Saints/coaching staff are failing to make adjustments. A team comes out and takes a dimesion of your game or is doing well against you at something, you adjust and take what they give you. We could have run the ball more the blocking on what running plays we did run was good, very good. Pass blocking we were bad on overall. We were bull-rushed when they wanted to.

The Draft, you seriously can't judge a draft until 3-4 years down the road. You have to wait it out and let your talent develop. They have a lot of learning, developing and getting use to the speed of the game. Avoid getting use to expecting that gem every year. We got lucky with Colston, it happens. No one knew not even Payton. Take notes and in 2-3 more years then lets start a thread and judge the draft that would be more realistic.

You can however judge some Free Agent signings of Veterans though like Mare.

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And Jason David!:D

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2004 Draft

Saints:
R1 (18.) - Will Smith
R2 (50) - Devery Henderson
R2 (60) - Courtney Watson
R5 (139) - Rodney Leisle
R5 (156) - Mike Karney
R7 (240) - Coby Buckwoldt

Here's what the Pats did:

21 - Vince Wilfork
32 - Ben Watson
63 - Marquise Hill
95 - Guss Scott
113 - Dexter Reid
128 - Cedric Cobbs
164 - P.K. Sam
233 - Christian Morton

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I disagree with this. When the Saints are winning, the execution is better. The playcalling is still problematic. On the offensive side of the ball there is never an established running game. It drives me crazy because every back that's put behind Karney is successful in the run game.

On the defensive side there are both personnel and scheme issues. In this league you have to blitz good QBs. While the defense has done a good job against the run, the lack of defensive pressure coupled with soft corner play make the defense worthless against any decent QB in this league. So you get games where you are torched against Manning, Garcia, and Bulger.

The playcalling is a part of the issue without a doubt.

Agreed. Another aspect of rushing the ball is that it makes the opposing defenses think. When you are doing a hand wave play action, the D-line simply ignores the back and gets after the QB. With an established run game they actually have to think about that back going by.

The Saints should not abandon the run in a game ever.

The problem with the draft is that it seems like needs are not really being addressed. Receiver is one position that we have an overabundance of talent. Yet we spend a #1 pick on a receiver who has yet to sniff the field.

Another part seems to be a simple lack of recognition. Even I can see how Simeneou fails on the field virtually every play, yet he's still there.

Personnel adjustment is almost as bad as playcalling adjustment.

SFIAH

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think we should go back to " HASLETT"
the great " DITKA? "
we have average team,it'll take a few more drafts like last year and luck in free agency
to become " ELITE " team
think we are unhappy,try sd fans with the talent left them

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Sean Payton, screwed the Saints with his draft picks, screwed them. He picked before the Colts, why didn't he get Ugo or Chris Houston? Why is it that he has to pick player from schools like Wingate, and Kent, than put David Jones on the practice field and keep Fred Thomas? If it's offensive lineman that he needs, why not go after the best? If it's cornerbacks that the Saints needed, He could have taken Chris Houston, than Usama Young. No he goes and get a player that he know was injuried, Robert Meachum, why? There's tons of Talent in the Sec, Big Ten. How many interceptions does Drew Brees, Has, 15, what's up with this. Sean Payton should have known from last year, that Drew needs protection, Drew can't take the heat, go and get Sec talent, get some line-men who can open up the running lanes for Reggie Bush. Poor Reggie, he might get killed playing for the New Orleans, 40 year jinx Saints. And by the way, get a quarterback, that has some mobility, that can help the offensive lineman, Dree Brees stand back in the pocket like a damn statue, and want move, he sucks, don't talk about Aaron Brooks, because Drew Brees in killing the Saints.

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Watchout Saints9! you just opened up a can of worms, Pandora's box, stirred up a bee hive, and let the dogs out. There are some who think Drew is the 2nd coming. You are supposed to turn a blind eye to the picks and blame the O-line when he gets hammered and fumbles. Then you really stirred up the sh!t by mentioning the two Br's in the same sentence. Man, You must love a good fight! Watch this one give birth to its own thread. Why don't you start the impeachment process...start gathering signatures.

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Anyone who compares Brooks to Brees doesn't know his orifice from a hole in the ground and not worth arguing with. But for argument sake what QB would you recommend?

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OK...I am going to have to disagree with this one. Will you please tell me where there is an overabundance of talent? Can you please tell me one WR we have not named Colston that could start for most teams in the league? Devery has been blasted this year by the media and mostly by people on this site for his inability to catch the ball. David Patten hasnt played more than 6 games in the last 3 years. Terrence Copper is nothing more than a 4th WR and a special teamer. So i dont think you can tell me that the need for a potential game breaking reciever from a big time school in a big time conference wasnt needed. He has not worked out for us yet, but there is still plenty of time and you have to think about the long term.

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I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great.

Playcalling shcplaycalling... its not just play calling its ADJUSTMENTS, which is the big picture. If something isn't working for you you have to make adjustments that means 'playcalling', 'personel', 'attitude', 'gameplan'. Its everything. That is were we have utterly failed this year. You should see a different team come out in the second half to counter what your opponets do and the Saints have not picked up on some of the things that are going on during the game. Even Payton has made mention of this. I totally agree being aggressive against some teams and score lots and often early and force your opponet out of there game plan to run with you, put them in a whole and make the fight out of it which will help create some turnovers.

What I saw in the Rams game is run blocking was perhaps the best I have seen all year from our Oline and the Pass protection was very week. The Saints didn't adjust and attack more on the run. Thats definately the coaching.

You also do have to scrap the run at times if you are behind in a game you got to pass. You'll run out of time running the ball. You can only run effectively when you are ahead.

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This may have been the longest useless post i have ever read. First off, why draft Ugoh when Brown was an All-Pro, Stinchcomb just got an extension, Strief dominated the Bucs in his only start...so there are 3 tackles we have so why take another in the first round? Chris Houston is going to keep on getting abused for as long as he is in the NFL...he relies to much on contact and he will lead the league in PI penalties when it is all said and done. My favorite quote from you was that Payton should know from last year that Brees needed protection? Thats right, he does know that...and Brees was only sacked 15 times last year...that is phenominal. So i disagree with every single thing you said and your idea for the draft was downright laughable. But you are right...Drew Brees cant hold a candle to Aaron Brooks. We should get on the phone with AB right now and get him in here. He is, and always has been the answer for this franchise.

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Dude, Saints9 call it like I see it, Drew Brees, arse suck, and Sean Payton, He deliberately sabotage the Saints season with those draft picks. How these teams blitz, you don't need a statue quarterback like Drew Brees, you need a quarterback who can move. And yes, Aaron Brooks is a better quarterback than Drew Brees, Drew Bree f!!king suck, and I'm saying that Aaron Brooks is better than he, I don't care who doesn't like it. Prove to me that Drew Brees is a better quarterback, how many fumble does he have ? How many Interceptions, does he has? It's mighty strange how people can critcize Aaron Brooks, but don't blame Drew Brees for losing last weeks game. He has more interception than TD's, when a quarterback is losing games, than he must go on the bench. And don't talk about back-ups, it's disgraceful.

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Funny how your name is Saints9...now i would assume that 95% of the members here would guess that you got the name because you are a Saints fan and the number 9 from Drew Brees...but now you say he is worse than aaron brooks. something has to give. You did see the Drew Brees that threw 26 TD's last year right? You did see the Drew Brees that had 11 TD's to 1 INT in the previous 4 games right? But since he threw 2 TD's and 2 INT's against the Rams, we need aaron friggin brooks? Well what should Indy do now? Their QB threw 6...yes 6, picks against San Diego...on a Sunday night...on national television...and that was following up a turnover on the last drive he had the previous week with a chance to beat the patriots and now they have lost 2 in a row. They should probably get on the phone right now and get one or both of the Billy Joes in there to turn their season around.

There is nothing but chaos in Indy and New Orleans due to all the poor QB play in the cities.

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You just lost all credibility.

Are you blackonblack with a new ip address?

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I can agree with getting a QB but not instead of Brees. Get a QB to replace Brees in the future or incase of injury because lord help us if Martin has to take to the field.

Brees is great at the short drop that how he is able to avoid sacks. Our flaws has show this year though that our line isn't as good as last year or as we all thought they were. So Bree's has been more vunerable but no reason to get rid of him. Get him some protection, he never was illusive running around in the backfield only because of his short drops and quick releases.

If our WR get gammed or fail to hit the open zones we have to buy him every extra second we can.

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You stick with your guy. You don't Bench Manning after throwing 4-5 INTS. You don't bench QB's for the sake of benching them. They must learn to fight though the bad moments, get there rythum, get there mechanics back. Yes there are times to bench them but Manning, Brady, Brees aren't the QB's you bench.

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Wasn't it Sean Payton who said, that he needed depth, than why not get the best player to add to the depth. Oh, but you agree with what I said that Drew Brees is a disgrace, and should be playing sand-lock football. Ugo, gave Will Smith all that he could handle. And Chris Houston, just got rookie of the week award. At least Houston puts his hands on a player, Fred Thomas falls and eats dust every week. Why would a coach draft a player knowing he's injuried? Could you please explain this to me? Why would a coach sign FA's who Bobby Hebert claims can't beat out Simoneux, draft players who can't beat out Fred Thomas, who's damn ancient? But yet, the Bengals take David Jones from the Saints practice field and he lands a contract. Is it that the Bengal coach saw talent in David Jones, that Sean Payton and couldn't see. The Saints just gave away their picks to other teams, like Antoino Pittman, who is better than Aaron Stecker. Look here buddy, Sean Payton, may have pull the wool over your eye's but not mine.

Why does Sean Payton play favorites? Stecker over Pierre Thomas, Simoneux over Simmons, who was just voted for player of the week, what going on here, Isn't the object of the game is to win, and play the best players you have available. Drew Brees suck and Sean Payton.

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OMG... I think I just lost my title of being the most disliked around here with just one Thread. -Is school out today that I don't know about?

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[QUOTE=Euphoria;146374]I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great.
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This is nonsense. You expect your first round pick to come in and contribute. I'm going to give you some numbers of another first round WR we drafted not named Colston. He went to the same school as Meachum, had similar combine numbers as Meachum and threw these numbers up in year 1:

Games - 13
REC - 42
YDS - 594
AVG - 14.1
LONG - 57
TD's - 8

His name was Donte Stallworth. Those are pretty good numbers for a rookie and quite similar to what Colston did for us last year.
Take Meachums numbers in the same catagories for this year and they all add up to 0.
And your telling me I can't label the guy a bust.
As our friend Baba has pointed out, we don't exactly have a murderer's row at WR on this team. Outside of Colston what other WR would start anywhere else? I think were his words. And Meachum couldn't beat any of these guys out? Really? And I can't say this guy was a total waste of a pick and big time bust? F that. I'm saying it, because he was and is.

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I'm not sure why I'm responding to a person who refers to himself in the 3rd person and has yet to grasp the overt nuances of the English language, but...

______CMP_ATT__YDS_CMP%_YPA_LNG_TD_INT_SACK_RAT_FUM_LOST

Career 1673 2963 20261 56.5 6.84 76 123 92 235 78.5 30 11
Career 1731 2734 19213 63.3 7.03 86 120 76 116 87.2 8 2

In a blind taste-test, which would you choose? Both have played 7 seasons.

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I would think Guy 2 in that scenario would be the obvious choice.

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[QUOTE=stockman311;146384][QUOTE=Euphoria;146374]I don't think anyone should look at the Robert Meachum pick as anything but as a replacement WR for the future. You don't draft a WR to come in an contribute on day one. They take time to develop and get use to the speed. We got lucky with Colston. There was no way have being sure that this team had a lot of talent at WR until the season began and even that is arguable. They are making contributions and that is great.
No I expect a top 5 pick to come in and contribute on day 1, but anyone else eventually depending on the position they are playing.
There is a lot to learn at WR perhaps just as much as the QB position. Now don't get your panties in a wad... its generally, not everyone. People even labeled stallworth a buts after this dash with greatness his first year. We got rid of him... now look at him, about to snag with first ring and we are no closer than we have ever been.

I am not saying anything new this is typical WR drafting stuff. Yeah there are your exceptions here and there and we had a couple but for the most part you have to be careful with WR's. If Meachum didn't have potential he would have been cut like Pittman. Its much easier to cut a RB who may not pan out right away than it is a WR.

Again I can't call him a bust or success its to early.

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Road grater, soft hands, beast, fragile, fastest, genius, game changer, bust.
Everyone is so quick to label a player and it amuses me. A disappointing first round pick maybe but is he really a bust? He hasn't played a down in the regular season so he must be a bust. Silly. Let's watch him play NFL football awhile before we throw one of those ridiculous labels on him.

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[QUOTE=Bobaganoosh;146377]Funny how your name is Saints9...now i would assume that 95% of the members here would guess that you got the name because you are a Saints fan and the number 9 from Drew Brees...but now you say he is worse than aaron brooks. something has to give. You did see the Drew Brees that threw 26 TD's last year right? You did see the Drew Brees that had 11 TD's to 1 INT in the previous 4 games right? But since he threw 2 TD's and 2 INT's against the Rams, we need aaron friggin brooks? Well what should Indy do now? Their QB threw 6...yes 6, picks against San Diego...on a Sunday night...on national television...and that was following up a turnover on the last drive he had the previous week with a chance to beat the patriots and now they have lost 2 in a row. They should probably get on the phone right now and get one or both of the Billy Joes in there to turn their season around.

Drew Brees, suck, let's deal with the now 2007, and the facts, he's giving games away. I know boys are disgusted with his play in the locker room, I'm damn sure they're talking about him among themselves. Now you can talk about my credability all you want, but I'm not the one who's standing in the middle of the huddle the so-called leader of the team throwing pick after the pick, than fumble if he hear a foot step,can you dig it? The number 9 has nothing to do with Drew Brees, it's my favorite number, and he's doing it a terrible injustice, because he sucks, period. The Saints don't need a statue quarterback, he's not atheletical at all, coach Payton sabotage the draft picks, get real man.

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[QUOTE=Euphoria;146390][QUOTE=stockman311;146384]I'm not saying that Meachum is a bust, I have a feeling Meachum will be great, but why draft someone who can't help you now, in 2007. Meachum, was injuried, and Sean Payton, knew this, he could have drafted a line-backer or Chris Houston.

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I guess wasnt looking for athletical players and instead he got "sand-lock" football players.

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I'm still waiting to hear who these so called athletical QB's are and where are they?

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I never thought this thread would get this much response. I started it because I was fed up with watching every pass play go downtown when the right thing to do in a blitz is to dump it short to the area of the field from which the blitz is coming from. After series after series of watching the exact same mistaken play calls on offense to the same unchanging blitzing on defense - leading to our eventual humiliation at the hands of the winless Rams, I was pretty ticked.

I can see Euphoria's point about the lack of adjustments. Normally I don't agree with much that he says, but in this case I found that he was saying the same thing I was - just in a different way. As an aside, I telephoned hell and it wasn't snowing there (but I had to check - j/k Euph!) :)

I never intended to bring draft decisions into the discussion, but since it was brought in by another poster to defend Payton's coaching, I'll say this. The draft is a crap-shoot. A team's picks can make the coaches and personnel staff look like geniuses and just as often, fools. I find this years decisions in the draft incomprehensible. Similarly, I was puzzled by last year's decisions considering they weren't critical needs to me (LB, LB, LB, and then a side-order of LB). With the turn-around of our team last year, and the amazing success of many of those picks everyone gives Payton and Co. a pass. It's hard to argue with performance, but honestly I haven't understood the Sean Payton's draft strategy in the last two years.

As to other semi-literate, sewage-spewing, etc. posters, I say "Don't feed the trolls" and hope that you all understand me.

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Isn't Tony Romo, athletical, isn't Jeff Garcia, athletical, they help their offensive line, look at the way Tom Brady ,they say he has eyes behind his back, move around in the pocket. Drew Brees want move at all, he just stands there a take the sacks. I seen time and time again on plays when Drew Brees should have taken off and ran, to help his team and keep the drive alive. All of these quarterback have at least ran for a TD. Jeff Garcia, in the play-offs way killing the saints. TEbow, is an athletical quarterback. Drew Brees, need Fort Knoxs to protect him, because he is a target that want move. He needs to bail out his offense-line sometime. An another example is Tyler Palco.

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:confused:HuH? What'd he say?:confused:

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While he's not an athletical running QB like Vince Young, Brees is mobile, he just looks to pass first, then pass again, then run while he sees if he can pass at the last minute. You do realize that he's been sacked 6 times this season, right? That's 4 better than the athletical Brady and Manning and 7 better than the athletical Favre.