Jason David proves everyone wrong!

wheelman · 11-14-2007, 10:25 AM

I've thought about that too, xan, but it is too late in the season to try a transition like that.

Tobias-Reiper · 11-14-2007, 11:00 AM

... I'm still waiting on Euphoria's evaluation of Jason David's play on weeks 5,6, and 7...

LordOfEntropy · 11-14-2007, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

... I'm still waiting on Euphoria's evaluation of Jason David's play on weeks 5,6, and 7...

Well, there's no doubt he played MUCH better in those weeks. For some reason, opposing teams weren't able to take advantage of him those days.

ROFL

Euphoria · 11-14-2007, 04:20 PM

I hate stats but... only thing people who just watch the game for the game sake sees is the plays he gets burned on. I am not saying hes a pro bowler CB but he's the best we got.

7th in tackles and tied for 1st with 2 INT's.

To better utilize him we would have to change our D scheme. What him on other plays not just the ones ya notice he got burned on. He has been trying to make plays where he should be covering his guy no doubt but he does show some promise.

Thomas or Craft over him isn't the answer at all.

WhoDat205 · 11-15-2007, 09:02 AM

Euph, you make some good points. David is a good tackler and he plays with intensity. He's been a big help in the run game, too. I just can't let him slide on the big plays, though. Even aside from the monster TD's, it seemed to me that every third an long was a foregone conclusion. Bruce or Holt would catch 15 yard in and David would be left holding their jock. It was probably a result of getting burned deep and he was almost too intent on not letting the receiver behind him, but either way, there's a problem. As a disclaimer, I don't have the luxury of seeing the Coach's film and network broadcasts are worhtless if you're trying to evaluate anything downfield or away from the ball.

I think you're right that Craft and Thomas are not the solution. They would be band-aids in this situation. However - at the risk of beating a tired drum - getting our promising rookie some snaps is a long-term solution. I've seen a lot of the same "intangiables" from Young that you mention in David. The intensity and the good tackling are there. He's probably more "athletical" that David, and while he would definitely get abused while catching up with the learning curve, the results couldn't get much worse than they are now. The major difference is that you're developing your talent for the future by playing Young.

Euphoria · 11-15-2007, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

Euph, you make some good points. David is a good tackler and he plays with intensity. He's been a big help in the run game, too. I just can't let him slide on the big plays, though. Even aside from the monster TD's, it seemed to me that every third an long was a foregone conclusion. Bruce or Holt would catch 15 yard in and David would be left holding their jock. It was probably a result of getting burned deep and he was almost too intent on not letting the receiver behind him, but either way, there's a problem. As a disclaimer, I don't have the luxury of seeing the Coach's film and network broadcasts are worhtless if you're trying to evaluate anything downfield or away from the ball.

I think you're right that Craft and Thomas are not the solution. They would be band-aids in this situation. However - at the risk of beating a tired drum - getting our promising rookie some snaps is a long-term solution. I've seen a lot of the same "intangiables" from Young that you mention in David. The intensity and the good tackling are there. He's probably more "athletical" that David, and while he would definitely get abused while catching up with the learning curve, the results couldn't get much worse than they are now. The major difference is that you're developing your talent for the future by playing Young.

Very good someone is paying attention. I can agree with Young but I think he would be better off using him in the nickeal for now until he catches on to the speed of the game. Sometimes if you are put out there though it'll ruin your confidence getting lit up all day and night. I seriously don't think we can do anything unless we change out philosophy on D and get some guys to give up pressure up front though.

I have gone back and looked at a few things and I think David is trying to do to much. He wants to help everywheres instead of just doing his job and trusting his team mates. A good defense has to be disiplined and I don't see that with our unit. They have to stay home and handle their assinments and I don't see a lot of that going on. Thats why on most plays David is burnt on is when he bites on the fakes and cheats toward the line or the short WR to make a hit and his guy goes on the deep route uncovered. In a Cover two the S would be there to help on the deep guy, he would get away and do very well doing that in INDY.

papz · 11-15-2007, 02:11 PM

How do you point out all of David's flaws yet justify he should be a starter? His flaws make him a backup... for now at least.

And why is it that everyone sees how bad he is and you don't? Are you watching the same games as EVERYONE else?

Obviously not.

Why do I bother with this nonsense... I'm losing brain cells.

Euphoria · 11-15-2007, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by papz

How do you point out all of David's flaws yet justify he should be a starter? His flaws make him a backup... for now at least.

And why is it that everyone sees how bad he is and you don't? Are you watching the same games as EVERYONE else?

Obviously not.

Why do I bother with this nonsense... I'm losing brain cells.

EVERYONE??? thats a lie. Whodat and I agree so that statement is WRONG.

Are your reading everything??? He's the best option we have. Fred Thomas isn't going to contribute more but less. Craft less. Young can't run with the big boys just yet. David is the best option we have and he is contributing none the less. I am not saying he's a #1 cover guy but he's the best we got right now so we have to suck it up and go with it and hopes he gets his mind out of the cover 2 mindset.

Aside from getting burnt on some routes he has contributed. 8th in tackles and tied for 1st in INT's. You wanna bench him and put your grandmother out there who can run a 40 in 5minutes and 49 seconds? You can't bench someone if you don't have someone better who can come in and play.

Give me a name other than Young who can contribute more than David??? There isn't any.

Seriously watch him on other plays other than the ones that obvious was his fault and you'll see he is playing with great intensity and making plays. He's contributing. If he wasn't doing all the other things then I would say Hell yes bench him for Young or Craft but until then we are stuck with David.

Sorry.

papz · 11-15-2007, 02:54 PM

EVERYONE??? thats a lie. Whodat and I agree so that statement is WRONG.

On what? That he can tackle? That he plays with intensity? That's great. Too bad he couldn't cover a snail.

Are your reading everything??? He's the best option we have. Fred Thomas isn't going to contribute more but less. Craft less. Young can't run with the big boys just yet. David is the best option we have and he is contributing none the less. I am not saying he's a #1 cover guy but he's the best we got right now so we have to suck it up and go with it and hopes he gets his mind out of the cover 2 mindset.

Judging by his play, you are wrong. Craft has outplayed David by far... and it's pathetic that he is. Can someone disagree with this? And, how do you know Young isn't ready yet? I'm not saying he is either but obviously David isn't. He hasn't show anything besides as you point out... he can tackle. We're competing to win the division, this is not the time to let someone learn on the job... especially as our #2 corner. That's why you EASE him in there until he can do something other than tackle.

Aside from getting burnt on some routes he has contributed. 8th in tackles and tied for 1st in INT's. You wanna bench him and put your grandmother out there who can run a 40 in 5minutes and 49 seconds? You can't bench someone if you don't have someone better who can come in and play.

Stats are for losers. Does that ring a bell? ROFL. Do you know what hypocrite means?

Thank god he can tackle... as many passes are completed on him, he sure has plenty of opportunities to make the tackle. Great job, great example, and great stat. ROFL. And if I remember correctly... one of David's pick came on an overthrown pass in which he was 6 plus yards off the receiver and it was right in his hands. Good one.

Give me a name other than Young who can contribute more than David??? There isn't any.

Jason Craft... yes Jason Craft.

Seriously watch him on other plays other than the ones that obvious was his fault and you'll see he is playing with great intensity and making plays. He's contributing. If he wasn't doing all the other things then I would say Hell yes bench him for Young or Craft but until then we are stuck with David.

I'm going to rip my hair out with all this go watch the film crap... Ray Charles can see how bad David is playing. And you're definately right, he's contributing... FOR THE OTHER TEAM.

Sorry.

Is definately the right word.

Until David can show he deserves to start, he has no business doing so. Start Craft or Thomas until our talented free agent corner can show us something.

If David starts this week... God please don't let him cover Andre Johnson. If he does, we might be in for a long day.

LordOfEntropy · 11-15-2007, 03:32 PM

Sorry Euph, but I'm with Papz on this one. JD simply isn't happening. I'd rather see Young, or even Jason Craft (yes I even said Jason Craft!) in the starter position.

JD isn't making it.

11-14-2007, 10:25 AM	#1
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11-14-2007, 11:38 AM	#3
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper ... I'm still waiting on Euphoria's evaluation of Jason David's play on weeks 5,6, and 7... Well, there's no doubt he played MUCH better in those weeks. For some reason, opposing teams weren't able to take advantage of him those days. ROFL

11-14-2007, 04:20 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! I hate stats but... only thing people who just watch the game for the game sake sees is the plays he gets burned on. I am not saying hes a pro bowler CB but he's the best we got. 7th in tackles and tied for 1st with 2 INT's. To better utilize him we would have to change our D scheme. What him on other plays not just the ones ya notice he got burned on. He has been trying to make plays where he should be covering his guy no doubt but he does show some promise. Thomas or Craft over him isn't the answer at all.
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11-15-2007, 09:02 AM	#5
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Euph, you make some good points. David is a good tackler and he plays with intensity. He's been a big help in the run game, too. I just can't let him slide on the big plays, though. Even aside from the monster TD's, it seemed to me that every third an long was a foregone conclusion. Bruce or Holt would catch 15 yard in and David would be left holding their jock. It was probably a result of getting burned deep and he was almost too intent on not letting the receiver behind him, but either way, there's a problem. As a disclaimer, I don't have the luxury of seeing the Coach's film and network broadcasts are worhtless if you're trying to evaluate anything downfield or away from the ball. I think you're right that Craft and Thomas are not the solution. They would be band-aids in this situation. However - at the risk of beating a tired drum - getting our promising rookie some snaps is a long-term solution. I've seen a lot of the same "intangiables" from Young that you mention in David. The intensity and the good tackling are there. He's probably more "athletical" that David, and while he would definitely get abused while catching up with the learning curve, the results couldn't get much worse than they are now. The major difference is that you're developing your talent for the future by playing Young.
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11-15-2007, 12:12 PM	#6
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Originally Posted by WhoDat205 Euph, you make some good points. David is a good tackler and he plays with intensity. He's been a big help in the run game, too. I just can't let him slide on the big plays, though. Even aside from the monster TD's, it seemed to me that every third an long was a foregone conclusion. Bruce or Holt would catch 15 yard in and David would be left holding their jock. It was probably a result of getting burned deep and he was almost too intent on not letting the receiver behind him, but either way, there's a problem. As a disclaimer, I don't have the luxury of seeing the Coach's film and network broadcasts are worhtless if you're trying to evaluate anything downfield or away from the ball. I think you're right that Craft and Thomas are not the solution. They would be band-aids in this situation. However - at the risk of beating a tired drum - getting our promising rookie some snaps is a long-term solution. I've seen a lot of the same "intangiables" from Young that you mention in David. The intensity and the good tackling are there. He's probably more "athletical" that David, and while he would definitely get abused while catching up with the learning curve, the results couldn't get much worse than they are now. The major difference is that you're developing your talent for the future by playing Young. Very good someone is paying attention. I can agree with Young but I think he would be better off using him in the nickeal for now until he catches on to the speed of the game. Sometimes if you are put out there though it'll ruin your confidence getting lit up all day and night. I seriously don't think we can do anything unless we change out philosophy on D and get some guys to give up pressure up front though. I have gone back and looked at a few things and I think David is trying to do to much. He wants to help everywheres instead of just doing his job and trusting his team mates. A good defense has to be disiplined and I don't see that with our unit. They have to stay home and handle their assinments and I don't see a lot of that going on. Thats why on most plays David is burnt on is when he bites on the fakes and cheats toward the line or the short WR to make a hit and his guy goes on the deep route uncovered. In a Cover two the S would be there to help on the deep guy, he would get away and do very well doing that in INDY.
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11-14-2007, 11:00 AM	#2
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11-15-2007, 02:11 PM	#7
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11-15-2007, 02:33 PM	#8
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Originally Posted by papz How do you point out all of David's flaws yet justify he should be a starter? His flaws make him a backup... for now at least. And why is it that everyone sees how bad he is and you don't? Are you watching the same games as EVERYONE else? Obviously not. Why do I bother with this nonsense... I'm losing brain cells. EVERYONE??? thats a lie. Whodat and I agree so that statement is WRONG. Are your reading everything??? He's the best option we have. Fred Thomas isn't going to contribute more but less. Craft less. Young can't run with the big boys just yet. David is the best option we have and he is contributing none the less. I am not saying he's a #1 cover guy but he's the best we got right now so we have to suck it up and go with it and hopes he gets his mind out of the cover 2 mindset. Aside from getting burnt on some routes he has contributed. 8th in tackles and tied for 1st in INT's. You wanna bench him and put your grandmother out there who can run a 40 in 5minutes and 49 seconds? You can't bench someone if you don't have someone better who can come in and play. Give me a name other than Young who can contribute more than David??? There isn't any. Seriously watch him on other plays other than the ones that obvious was his fault and you'll see he is playing with great intensity and making plays. He's contributing. If he wasn't doing all the other things then I would say Hell yes bench him for Young or Craft but until then we are stuck with David. Sorry.
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11-15-2007, 02:54 PM	#9
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,774	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! EVERYONE??? thats a lie. Whodat and I agree so that statement is WRONG. On what? That he can tackle? That he plays with intensity? That's great. Too bad he couldn't cover a snail. Are your reading everything??? He's the best option we have. Fred Thomas isn't going to contribute more but less. Craft less. Young can't run with the big boys just yet. David is the best option we have and he is contributing none the less. I am not saying he's a #1 cover guy but he's the best we got right now so we have to suck it up and go with it and hopes he gets his mind out of the cover 2 mindset. Judging by his play, you are wrong. Craft has outplayed David by far... and it's pathetic that he is. Can someone disagree with this? And, how do you know Young isn't ready yet? I'm not saying he is either but obviously David isn't. He hasn't show anything besides as you point out... he can tackle. We're competing to win the division, this is not the time to let someone learn on the job... especially as our #2 corner. That's why you EASE him in there until he can do something other than tackle. Aside from getting burnt on some routes he has contributed. 8th in tackles and tied for 1st in INT's. You wanna bench him and put your grandmother out there who can run a 40 in 5minutes and 49 seconds? You can't bench someone if you don't have someone better who can come in and play. Stats are for losers. Does that ring a bell? ROFL. Do you know what hypocrite means? Thank god he can tackle... as many passes are completed on him, he sure has plenty of opportunities to make the tackle. Great job, great example, and great stat. ROFL. And if I remember correctly... one of David's pick came on an overthrown pass in which he was 6 plus yards off the receiver and it was right in his hands. Good one. Give me a name other than Young who can contribute more than David??? There isn't any. Jason Craft... yes Jason Craft. Seriously watch him on other plays other than the ones that obvious was his fault and you'll see he is playing with great intensity and making plays. He's contributing. If he wasn't doing all the other things then I would say Hell yes bench him for Young or Craft but until then we are stuck with David. I'm going to rip my hair out with all this go watch the film crap... Ray Charles can see how bad David is playing. And you're definately right, he's contributing... FOR THE OTHER TEAM. Sorry. Is definately the right word. Until David can show he deserves to start, he has no business doing so. Start Craft or Thomas until our talented free agent corner can show us something. If David starts this week... God please don't let him cover Andre Johnson. If he does, we might be in for a long day.
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11-15-2007, 03:32 PM	#10
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong! Sorry Euph, but I'm with Papz on this one. JD simply isn't happening. I'd rather see Young, or even Jason Craft (yes I even said Jason Craft!) in the starter position. JD isn't making it.