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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Euphoria You can post any stat you want to read anything you want them to. But based on play he's the best thing we got behind MM. Its a no brainer that you pick on your opponets ...
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11-13-2007, 02:28 PM | #21 |
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Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong!
Originally Posted by Euphoria
Someone seriously has to put the pipe down and read. You claim to watch all this "game film" but if you don't think David is bad, you need to get your eyes checked. Throw out all the stats, and you still have a horrible starting corner.
And one more thing, who suggested benching him for Fred Thomas? But since you mentioned it, yes I would rather see Thomas on the field than David. David makes Thomas look like Rashean Mathis. Sometimes you really got to wonder... |
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11-13-2007, 04:43 PM | #23 |
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Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong!
Originally Posted by papz
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I have no crack pipe. I personally think David is bad, Thomas is bad. If you go and look at last years play you will see Fred Thomas biting on all the same type of plays and being in bad position just like David. Fred managed to do these things while covering and not looking at the QB. David spends too much time looking at the QB like he is still playing cover 2, if the coaches could rid him of that he would be much better than Thomas, as long as he continues to look at the QB he is just as bad as Thomas. Personally I would rather see David get the reps and get better to perhaps be a nickel or dime corner in the future, Thomas is old and past his prime. If I had my choice I would rather see Craft or Young playing over either of those two CB's. Craft may be passed his prime and slow, but he doesn't bite on a head fake the way David and Thomas do. Our safeties are still young and somewhat unprepared for the mistakes WE SHOULD KNOW our corners are going to make. Our run D has been pretty decent our safeties either need to be blitzing or deep in coverage for deep help when one of our corners gets faked out of his shoes. |
11-14-2007, 12:09 AM | #24 |
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Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong!
Originally Posted by WhoDatQB
Agree with ya. People only are noticing the plays he bites and well rightfully so because usually its given up big plays or points. He is making other plays and contributing in other areas where Fred Thomas hasn't. We all know JC can't be left on an island. I think out better choice to finish the year is David and let he learn to get out of the zone/cover two thinking.
He is the best CB we have and should be starting period. Don't like it Oh well - have the CB you want on the team in camp this offseason. Untill then David gets the start. |
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11-14-2007, 12:23 AM | #25 |
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Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong!
Originally Posted by papz
I do have access to some game films. I can't get them all but I can get some by Tuesday or Wednesday the earliest. I don't have any major connections other than just that.
Take your own advice and "READ" the thread before just wanting to argue with me and you will see that I was addressing an earlier person who posted going with Fred Thomas over David. Aside from just giving up big plays which the whole D is guilty of David has been involved and done well in other areas. He's made some crucial mistakes don't get me wrong I am not here saying he's a number 1 CB at all. But what we have he is the best in front of Thomas and Craft. Don't read anything else into it. David has excelled in other areas and plays with some intensity. He has made some good plays. WE should only hope he comes around and gets that Cover two style behind him. His major flaw is biting on a short route and letting WR he is suppose to be covering in hopes of trying to make a play up front thinking he's cover 2 ways that he has help over the top which clearly he doesn't. We do have the wrong personel to run the type of D Gibbs wants to run or if you perfer the wrong style of D with the personel we have. Take your pick. But Thomas and or Craft isn't the answer at this point. Perhaps mixing up a man to man on one side with MM and a zone type D on the opposite side which will benefit David. |
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11-14-2007, 05:49 AM | #26 |
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Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong!
Originally Posted by Euphoria
You know, I do have to agree with you most of what you're saying here, but don't you think that training camp and half the year is enough to grasp the man to man? He just seems to not be able to grasp the concept. I might be wrong but he does get beat for the TD a lot. Thoughts?
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11-14-2007, 07:30 AM | #27 |
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Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong!
My thought is put Usama Young in there. I know he's a rookie, and I know he's raw, and I know he's been hurt. But I say put him out there anyway - because even if he fails, it'll be no worse than what's already happening with Jason David.
If I remember right, Bulger was 27 out of 33 in that last game. That's an 82% completion rate (!?), with no turnovers, and far far too many of them long strikes on 3rd down and long. That my friends is simply not acceptable. I think we all pretty much agree that Jason David isn't getting the job done - so why not play Young? |
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11-14-2007, 08:41 AM | #28 |
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Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong!
Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy
The thing is, we know what we're getting with David........burned! If we have a 50/50 chance of NOT getting burned with Young, why not?You're right he's young and inexperienced, but he can't be any worse than David. So, if we play him, what have we got to lose? With David we've lost already. With Young we might have a chance to win the battle. To me 50/50 is better than 0.
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11-14-2007, 08:48 AM | #29 |
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Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong!
the defense gets burned by any decent qb with average or better receivers.offense,hot or cold,not consistant,defense consistant
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11-14-2007, 09:27 AM | #30 |
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Re: Jason David proves everyone wrong!
Originally Posted by Euphoria
Now do yourself a favor and go back to page 2. Did you not quote my post and directly respond back to me? Seriously... you quote me and respond to someone else?
Now though I'm very down on David right now, I do believe he can turn things around slowly. But right now, we need to win games and he's not helping. Ease the man in... let him get adjusted. Throwing him in the fire isn't going to help with this confidence as he keeps getting burned over and over. He's 24 with good speed and a winning pedigree under his belt... he'll turn things around... eventually. |
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