Jason David proves everyone wrong!
 

Everyone on this board spouts off saying Mare was our worst offseason move. Ha! Apparently Jason David reads these boards, and took offense to that.

He showed us a thing or two today....

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never was crazy about the signing. He is a #3 at best. M&M is a #2 at best. We have no CB to be the #1 and sit out there and play man on man. I am beating the dog to death on this isssue

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I told my brother earlier today, "Jason David gets beat more often than a porn star's ****."

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.. these are the things that I will never understand about running an NFL team... how can anyone hire a 5'8" CB in today's NFL, and one that CLEARLY has been notoriously BAD?

Jason David was a liability to the Colts, not only because of his height, but because he just plain can't cover anyone. And why is it the DC putting someone, ANYONE, in his place? Don't care if it's a LB, or a safety, whatever... can't get any worse that it is now. Heck, Fujita has defended more passes than David has...

...every time the Rams needed a long 1st down, there was Jason David letting someone behind him while staring at Marc Bulger.

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Chevis Jackson #21 Lsu Mid First Round Pick, We Cant Screw That Up...

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The Saints would be better off just playing Fred Thomas and Jason Craft and reevaluating that position next year. David was burned in a horrible way today.

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Jason David might just be the worst. But Eric Johnson might just be the best.

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I'm pretty sure that i'm not the only one that has noticed........but David has been getting burned all year. I'd hate to go back and count the number of times he's been scored on.

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I thought the problem with the five loses was the offense.

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Let's call him Jason "Dirty Rug" David, because he's always being taken out and beaten.

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Nope the D and O-line. I haven't been impressed with out ST's either. They have had some good moments but not impressed.

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Jason David was featured on NFL Primetime this afternoon as: "BURNT TOAST"

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he makes fast freddy look like a pro-bowl player :\

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You guys are toooooooo tough on JD. He didn't get burned in every game. He didn't give up a catch or TD in weeks 5, 6, and 7.

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OK,

David's in and we lose 4 games. David's out and we win 4 games. David comes back and we lose. Hmmmm....

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Ya know I have to agree with you. I went back and evaluated his play overall since the begining of the season. He isn't bad. I think he's had times trying to adjust at being all alone on an island trying to cover a WR instead of the cover two type stuff. He bit a few times on the short routes trying to make a play, letting a WR go by him uncovered. When he does have other assignments he plays fast, he plays with intensity and he makes plays. I'd sill have David out there over Thomas.

Another problem is we play to much man to man for any CB in the league. With no pass rush any WR will eventually get open.

I'd put the blame on the D cordinator and no pass rush for a lot of the problems. They need to better prepare David but otherwise I don't see replacing him will do any good.

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You've got to be kidding me... he gets torched over and over. He's horrible. Regulate him to nickel/dime duty until he can get his act together. I remember seeing some statistic about them throwing at him 10 times and completed 8 passes along with two touchdowns. If that's not bad, I don't know what is. Until he starts playing better, we cannot afford to let him play man out there. He bites on EVERY thing.

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You can post any stat you want to read anything you want them to. But based on play he's the best thing we got behind MM. Its a no brainer that you pick on your opponets worst defender. Hell we would do it against other teams. Benching him for FT isn't the answer for a couple of years we had the same problem with FT and JC. It isn't going to make anything any better.

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Originally Posted by darstep http://blackandgold.com/forums/bngfo...s/viewpost.gif
You guys are toooooooo tough on JD. He didn't get burned in every game. He didn't give up a catch or TD in weeks 5, 6, and 7.



Euphoria, could you please elaborate on your evaluation of David's play in weeks 5, 6, and 7?

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David broke his arm and didn't play in 5, 6, and 7. That's the only reason he didn't get torched. Evaluating his skills and putting him in the right place is the job of the coaching staff. The only difference between he and Freddy is David is out of position and in the wrong spot ALL the time...every week. It almost looks like he's handing the receiver off to a deep safety that had to go pee...and didn't tell anybody. The coaches have to see what we see. There is no way they are missing his repeated miscues. He is making the EXACT same mistakes week after week. I have tried to give Jason David the benefit of the doubt (that's how I am), but the more I see the more I am convinced that he is too short, too slow, and too over matched in coverage. To his benefit, he is one of our leading tacklers. Usama Young may be ready to go this week - a hopeful quote from Sean Payton. If that is the case then David should sit a while and take a load off. I don't know what's up with the rest of the CB contengent - but I would rather see a WR over there going for the ball (at least he would think like his opponent would).

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Someone seriously has to put the pipe down and read. You claim to watch all this "game film" but if you don't think David is bad, you need to get your eyes checked. Throw out all the stats, and you still have a horrible starting corner.

And one more thing, who suggested benching him for Fred Thomas? But since you mentioned it, yes I would rather see Thomas on the field than David. David makes Thomas look like Rashean Mathis.

Sometimes you really got to wonder...

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Now you know he has absolutely no clue. Game tape my arse... ROFL!

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I have no crack pipe. I personally think David is bad, Thomas is bad. If you go and look at last years play you will see Fred Thomas biting on all the same type of plays and being in bad position just like David. Fred managed to do these things while covering and not looking at the QB. David spends too much time looking at the QB like he is still playing cover 2, if the coaches could rid him of that he would be much better than Thomas, as long as he continues to look at the QB he is just as bad as Thomas.

Personally I would rather see David get the reps and get better to perhaps be a nickel or dime corner in the future, Thomas is old and past his prime. If I had my choice I would rather see Craft or Young playing over either of those two CB's. Craft may be passed his prime and slow, but he doesn't bite on a head fake the way David and Thomas do.

Our safeties are still young and somewhat unprepared for the mistakes WE SHOULD KNOW our corners are going to make. Our run D has been pretty decent our safeties either need to be blitzing or deep in coverage for deep help when one of our corners gets faked out of his shoes.

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Agree with ya. People only are noticing the plays he bites and well rightfully so because usually its given up big plays or points. He is making other plays and contributing in other areas where Fred Thomas hasn't. We all know JC can't be left on an island. I think out better choice to finish the year is David and let he learn to get out of the zone/cover two thinking.

He is the best CB we have and should be starting period. Don't like it Oh well - have the CB you want on the team in camp this offseason. Untill then David gets the start.

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I do have access to some game films. I can't get them all but I can get some by Tuesday or Wednesday the earliest. I don't have any major connections other than just that.

Take your own advice and "READ" the thread before just wanting to argue with me and you will see that I was addressing an earlier person who posted going with Fred Thomas over David.

Aside from just giving up big plays which the whole D is guilty of David has been involved and done well in other areas. He's made some crucial mistakes don't get me wrong I am not here saying he's a number 1 CB at all. But what we have he is the best in front of Thomas and Craft. Don't read anything else into it. David has excelled in other areas and plays with some intensity. He has made some good plays. WE should only hope he comes around and gets that Cover two style behind him.

His major flaw is biting on a short route and letting WR he is suppose to be covering in hopes of trying to make a play up front thinking he's cover 2 ways that he has help over the top which clearly he doesn't.

We do have the wrong personel to run the type of D Gibbs wants to run or if you perfer the wrong style of D with the personel we have. Take your pick. But Thomas and or Craft isn't the answer at this point. Perhaps mixing up a man to man on one side with MM and a zone type D on the opposite side which will benefit David.

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You know, I do have to agree with you most of what you're saying here, but don't you think that training camp and half the year is enough to grasp the man to man? He just seems to not be able to grasp the concept. I might be wrong but he does get beat for the TD a lot. Thoughts?

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My thought is put Usama Young in there. I know he's a rookie, and I know he's raw, and I know he's been hurt. But I say put him out there anyway - because even if he fails, it'll be no worse than what's already happening with Jason David.

If I remember right, Bulger was 27 out of 33 in that last game. That's an 82% completion rate (!?), with no turnovers, and far far too many of them long strikes on 3rd down and long. That my friends is simply not acceptable. I think we all pretty much agree that Jason David isn't getting the job done - so why not play Young?

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The thing is, we know what we're getting with David........burned! If we have a 50/50 chance of NOT getting burned with Young, why not?You're right he's young and inexperienced, but he can't be any worse than David. So, if we play him, what have we got to lose? With David we've lost already. With Young we might have a chance to win the battle. To me 50/50 is better than 0.

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the defense gets burned by any decent qb with average or better receivers.offense,hot or cold,not consistant,defense consistant

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You agree with WhoDatQB who is saying David is bad... yet you say he isn't bad. Are you bipolar?

Uhhh... Craft has outplayed David by far this season. Actually EVERYONE has.


Now do yourself a favor and go back to page 2. Did you not quote my post and directly respond back to me? Seriously... you quote me and respond to someone else? :rolleyes:

Please show me where he has excelled. Go back and go through game tape and please show me.

Exactly... which is why he should NOT be starting. He hasn't been able to make that transition yet. Leave him to nickel/dime duty until he proves he's capable of starting.

You are correct.

And neither is David... but at least we were respectable with Craft/Thomas/Young in there.

Are you suggesting we change our scheme to fit ONE player? One player who isn't close to being a franchise type player? A player you do not build your team around? I think not.

Now though I'm very down on David right now, I do believe he can turn things around slowly. But right now, we need to win games and he's not helping. Ease the man in... let him get adjusted. Throwing him in the fire isn't going to help with this confidence as he keeps getting burned over and over. He's 24 with good speed and a winning pedigree under his belt... he'll turn things around... eventually.

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Maybe JD should be playing safety instead of corner? he's not good in man coverage and he's proven his best play has been in run support (or injured.) We've had uneven play at the safety position and the other safeties don't seem to have the hands to get a turnover. We have him for a year, why not try something?

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I've thought about that too, xan, but it is too late in the season to try a transition like that.

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... I'm still waiting on Euphoria's evaluation of Jason David's play on weeks 5,6, and 7...

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Well, there's no doubt he played MUCH better in those weeks. For some reason, opposing teams weren't able to take advantage of him those days.

ROFL

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I like Jason David at the safety spot. He can eyeball the QB all he wants. He's a good tackler and that would free him up from man coverage. He would get involved after receivers have made their moves. Good idea! Now who would we slide to the corner?

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I hate stats but... only thing people who just watch the game for the game sake sees is the plays he gets burned on. I am not saying hes a pro bowler CB but he's the best we got.

7th in tackles and tied for 1st with 2 INT's.

To better utilize him we would have to change our D scheme. What him on other plays not just the ones ya notice he got burned on. He has been trying to make plays where he should be covering his guy no doubt but he does show some promise.

Thomas or Craft over him isn't the answer at all.

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Euph, you make some good points. David is a good tackler and he plays with intensity. He's been a big help in the run game, too. I just can't let him slide on the big plays, though. Even aside from the monster TD's, it seemed to me that every third an long was a foregone conclusion. Bruce or Holt would catch 15 yard in and David would be left holding their jock. It was probably a result of getting burned deep and he was almost too intent on not letting the receiver behind him, but either way, there's a problem. As a disclaimer, I don't have the luxury of seeing the Coach's film and network broadcasts are worhtless if you're trying to evaluate anything downfield or away from the ball.

I think you're right that Craft and Thomas are not the solution. They would be band-aids in this situation. However - at the risk of beating a tired drum - getting our promising rookie some snaps is a long-term solution. I've seen a lot of the same "intangiables" from Young that you mention in David. The intensity and the good tackling are there. He's probably more "athletical" that David, and while he would definitely get abused while catching up with the learning curve, the results couldn't get much worse than they are now. The major difference is that you're developing your talent for the future by playing Young.

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Very good someone is paying attention. I can agree with Young but I think he would be better off using him in the nickeal for now until he catches on to the speed of the game. Sometimes if you are put out there though it'll ruin your confidence getting lit up all day and night. I seriously don't think we can do anything unless we change out philosophy on D and get some guys to give up pressure up front though.

I have gone back and looked at a few things and I think David is trying to do to much. He wants to help everywheres instead of just doing his job and trusting his team mates. A good defense has to be disiplined and I don't see that with our unit. They have to stay home and handle their assinments and I don't see a lot of that going on. Thats why on most plays David is burnt on is when he bites on the fakes and cheats toward the line or the short WR to make a hit and his guy goes on the deep route uncovered. In a Cover two the S would be there to help on the deep guy, he would get away and do very well doing that in INDY.

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How do you point out all of David's flaws yet justify he should be a starter? His flaws make him a backup... for now at least.

And why is it that everyone sees how bad he is and you don't? Are you watching the same games as EVERYONE else?

Obviously not.

Why do I bother with this nonsense... I'm losing brain cells.

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EVERYONE??? thats a lie. Whodat and I agree so that statement is WRONG.

Are your reading everything??? He's the best option we have. Fred Thomas isn't going to contribute more but less. Craft less. Young can't run with the big boys just yet. David is the best option we have and he is contributing none the less. I am not saying he's a #1 cover guy but he's the best we got right now so we have to suck it up and go with it and hopes he gets his mind out of the cover 2 mindset.

Aside from getting burnt on some routes he has contributed. 8th in tackles and tied for 1st in INT's. You wanna bench him and put your grandmother out there who can run a 40 in 5minutes and 49 seconds? You can't bench someone if you don't have someone better who can come in and play.

Give me a name other than Young who can contribute more than David??? There isn't any.

Seriously watch him on other plays other than the ones that obvious was his fault and you'll see he is playing with great intensity and making plays. He's contributing. If he wasn't doing all the other things then I would say Hell yes bench him for Young or Craft but until then we are stuck with David.

Sorry.