The Elephant in the Living Room?

iceshack149 · 11-19-2007, 09:54 PM

I know you're a Brees groupie QBREES9, but if the QB doesn't protect the ball and coughs up 17 TO's, we lose. True, the receiving is all thumbs, and the line couldn't stop a drain with a plug, but the glory (or the goat) should rest on the shoulders of #9.

The bold print says it all. Brees is a good quarterback. Not perfect but very good. I wouldn't replace him with many qb's out there. You want AB back? Martin? Palko? Shoot, how about starters on many other teams? No, Brees is not at all the player to replace. Linebackers, corners, receivers, runningbacks, linemen, kicker... I'd worry about these positions before even thinking about replacing Brees.

blacksaint · 11-19-2007, 10:52 PM

I agree to point with this thread, somebody brought up AB, but Aaron Brooks never had a span of 1 TD and 10 INT's like Brees, if he did he would have been run out of town. But I do love Drew's leadership abilities, but this thread hit it right on the money, Brees has been very inconsistent this year, like against the Rams, those INT's were inexcusable, but yet we mention nothing. In the game against the Texans he was so predictable it was ridiculous, if he wasn't throwing to Colston, it was Bush, 21 of Brees 33 completions went to Colston or Bush with 12 going to the other receivers (TE Billy Miller catching 3), he threw to Patten twice for 29 yards and Henderson and Copper once a piece for a combined 11 yards and 1 TD, a six yarder to Henderson. Although the two INT's was not his fault, but his decision making in this game left a lot to be desired. The Saints have put their future in Drew Brees and I wish and prey that he's just having a so-so year, and he will rebound, because if not, we are in major, major trouble.

leilung · 11-20-2007, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

The bold print says it all. Brees is a good quarterback. Not perfect but very good. I wouldn't replace him with many qb's out there. You want AB back? Martin? Palko? Shoot, how about starters on many other teams? No, Brees is not at all the player to replace. Linebackers, corners, receivers, runningbacks, linemen, kicker... I'd worry about these positions before even thinking about replacing Brees.

Originally Posted by dasaints26

And how many qb's in the NFL would you take as a replacement? How many qb's would you take and say this team would be 6-4 or 7-3 right now?

Whoa, whoa there fellas! Who said anything about replacing Brees? For the record, I'm of the belief that he is probably the greatest FA pickup this franchise has ever had. If we're smart, we will build around the guy and be a force to be reckoned with for years to come. That being said...

I get the sense that some of us guys are pretty quick with praise when he has a 350+ yard, 2 TD game. But my point in starting this thread is to point out that many of this team's ills can be linked to our inability to control/ protect the ball from being turned over. It seems like everyone on the team gets nit-picked on performance, but somehow, when it comes to #9, there's almost an 'off-limits' attitude when it comes to critiquing his poor play.

Sorry, but I don't think ANYONE (GM on down to the Waterboy) on this team deserves a 'Mulligan' for the way they've been playing.

Tipped passes, altered passing lanes, and pressure are only a few of the valid reasons for the high number of INT's from Brees this season. But these are things any QB deals with in playing and veterans know what to do to adjust fire and continue the fight, but I don't see that happening. If Brees is playing hurt or less than 100%, then what's our alternative?

From what I see of the stat-line, the bottom line appears to be: We don't turn the ball over and we win (generally speaking). The bulk of the TO's are coming from the QB position. Shouldn't he be doing more to protect the ball, even if that means throwing it away or eating the sack?

11-19-2007, 09:54 PM	#1
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,368 Blog Entries: 1	Re: The Elephant in the Living Room? I know you're a Brees groupie QBREES9, but if the QB doesn't protect the ball and coughs up 17 TO's, we lose. True, the receiving is all thumbs, and the line couldn't stop a drain with a plug, but the glory (or the goat) should rest on the shoulders of #9. The bold print says it all. Brees is a good quarterback. Not perfect but very good. I wouldn't replace him with many qb's out there. You want AB back? Martin? Palko? Shoot, how about starters on many other teams? No, Brees is not at all the player to replace. Linebackers, corners, receivers, runningbacks, linemen, kicker... I'd worry about these positions before even thinking about replacing Brees.

11-19-2007, 10:52 PM	#2
blacksaint DARE TO ENTER Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Home Sweet Home, NEW ORLEANS, La. Posts: 1,154	Re: The Elephant in the Living Room? I agree to point with this thread, somebody brought up AB, but Aaron Brooks never had a span of 1 TD and 10 INT's like Brees, if he did he would have been run out of town. But I do love Drew's leadership abilities, but this thread hit it right on the money, Brees has been very inconsistent this year, like against the Rams, those INT's were inexcusable, but yet we mention nothing. In the game against the Texans he was so predictable it was ridiculous, if he wasn't throwing to Colston, it was Bush, 21 of Brees 33 completions went to Colston or Bush with 12 going to the other receivers (TE Billy Miller catching 3), he threw to Patten twice for 29 yards and Henderson and Copper once a piece for a combined 11 yards and 1 TD, a six yarder to Henderson. Although the two INT's was not his fault, but his decision making in this game left a lot to be desired. The Saints have put their future in Drew Brees and I wish and prey that he's just having a so-so year, and he will rebound, because if not, we are in major, major trouble.
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11-20-2007, 07:43 PM	#3
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,422	Re: The Elephant in the Living Room? Originally Posted by iceshack149 The bold print says it all. Brees is a good quarterback. Not perfect but very good. I wouldn't replace him with many qb's out there. You want AB back? Martin? Palko? Shoot, how about starters on many other teams? No, Brees is not at all the player to replace. Linebackers, corners, receivers, runningbacks, linemen, kicker... I'd worry about these positions before even thinking about replacing Brees. Originally Posted by dasaints26 And how many qb's in the NFL would you take as a replacement? How many qb's would you take and say this team would be 6-4 or 7-3 right now? Whoa, whoa there fellas! Who said anything about replacing Brees? For the record, I'm of the belief that he is probably the greatest FA pickup this franchise has ever had. If we're smart, we will build around the guy and be a force to be reckoned with for years to come. That being said... I get the sense that some of us guys are pretty quick with praise when he has a 350+ yard, 2 TD game. But my point in starting this thread is to point out that many of this team's ills can be linked to our inability to control/ protect the ball from being turned over. It seems like everyone on the team gets nit-picked on performance, but somehow, when it comes to #9, there's almost an 'off-limits' attitude when it comes to critiquing his poor play. Sorry, but I don't think ANYONE (GM on down to the Waterboy) on this team deserves a 'Mulligan' for the way they've been playing. Tipped passes, altered passing lanes, and pressure are only a few of the valid reasons for the high number of INT's from Brees this season. But these are things any QB deals with in playing and veterans know what to do to adjust fire and continue the fight, but I don't see that happening. If Brees is playing hurt or less than 100%, then what's our alternative? From what I see of the stat-line, the bottom line appears to be: We don't turn the ball over and we win (generally speaking). The bulk of the TO's are coming from the QB position. Shouldn't he be doing more to protect the ball, even if that means throwing it away or eating the sack?
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