The Elephant in the Living Room?

bobad · 11-24-2007, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Kittykat

And I wonder why (as well) that he's not using more receivers than Colston or Bush?! Last year we spread it around to Copper, Henderson, Colston and Patten? Why not now? (Okay, I know why we don't throw to Henderson...)

True,,, and what happened to Lance Moore? *

Patten and Moore had some great games this year, then seemingly dropped off the radar. Has Drew lost his ability to spread the ball around, or just doesn't have time?

*After Lance did that silly dance, he seems to have disappeared. Only 2-3 catches since then.

LordOfEntropy · 11-24-2007, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

So now we're faced with finishing out a horrendous season, in what should have been a possible first ever run to the Super Bowl.

Why?

Well, maybe it's just not our year - 2007. We haven't had a winning season in an odd year since 1991.

67 3-11
68 4-9-1
69 5-9
70 2-11-1
71 4-8-2
72 2-11-1
73 5-9
74 5-9
75 2-12
76 4-10
77 3-11
78 7-9
79 8-8
80 1-15
81 4-12
82 4-5
83 8-8
84 7-9
85 5-11
86 7-8-1
87 12-4
88 10-6
89 9-7
90 8-8
91 11-5
92 12-4
93 8-8
94 7-9
95 7-9
96 3-13
97 6-10
98 6-10
99 3-13
0 10-6
1 7-9
2 9-7
3 8-8
4 8-8
5 3-13
6 10-6

NEXTPROBOWLER · 11-24-2007, 04:24 PM

I.S. your sooooooo right. doesnt patter if u have peyton manning, no running game means them ends are comin flyin off the edge..............ya dig yea

UK_WhoDat · 11-24-2007, 06:10 PM

Tusk, tusk, tusk. Brees = Elephant on the living room. I think not.

OK, he has not always been top form. OK, he has made mistakes.

But IMHO he has been off “rhythm” for 3 games, a bit “ho-hum” for 1 game, and close to the “rhythm” we expect for a top QB for the rest.

At the end of the day, there is no elephant in the living room.

We have a herd of elephants in the organization. I am sure you guys “know” what we could have done better:
Draft
Free Agency
Replacement of Deuce as soon as he went down
Choice of Bush as the RB. Bush is a HB (and a bloody good one too)
Experienced back-up for Colston
Play selection
Defensive schemes
Strength of the lines and secondary
……………

JOESAM2002 · 11-24-2007, 07:48 PM

"Replacement of Deuce as soon as he went down"

Amen!!!!!!! Why didn't we bring up Branch right then and let him get some playing time?He's the biggest back we have on the roster and he's still on the practice squad? I really do wonder if we don't have the cart before the horse here.

QBREES9 · 11-24-2007, 09:31 PM

I think its very simple you protect, Brees and The Saints win just like they in 2006.

From the Brees groupie, and dam proud to be a member. The QB the Saints ever had. LOL

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-25-2007, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by IowaSaint

Are we missing the real elephant in the room?? No real running game!!

I'd call it an abandoned running game. It's there. It's just that Coach Payton isn't patient enough to stick with it. The next thing you know that for good or for bad the offense is slinging the ball all over the field.

When you can't rush the ball between the tackles it allows the D-line to pin it's ears back and rush the passer. I know that Peyton has tried to substitute the short pass in lieu of a running attack, but to make that effective you still have to have something that resembles a running attack between the tackles otherwise the Linebackers can shadow the back without being worried about the middle of the field.

Agreed. The Saints have rushed well between the tackles at times. Then they get away from it.

The real elephant is Reggie's inability to run in the middle of the field or the loss of Duece or lack of using Duece when we had him.

I disagree with this. Reggie has proved that if you give him the ball 20 times in a game, he'll get you a buck and change. And that's running the ball inside the tackles. But Coach runs Stecker out there. Then he pulls Karney. Then he starts to have Brees sling the ball. Bush isn't going to bust a 60 yard TD every time he touches the ball inside the tackles. But he's had several 10-20 yard runs during the course of the season.

Until we can make defenses stay honest in the middle of the field we should expect more of the same.

That's right. The Saints base formation needs to be the I with Karney at fullback and PT23 or Reggie in the TB slot. Let Bush go wide sometimes. But run the ball from the formation. Set up play action. Then you'll get more explosive plays down the field with less hits and mistakes from Brees.

SFIAH

11-24-2007, 09:30 AM	#21
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11-24-2007, 02:44 PM	#22
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: The Elephant in the Living Room? Originally Posted by leilung So now we're faced with finishing out a horrendous season, in what should have been a possible first ever run to the Super Bowl. Why? Well, maybe it's just not our year - 2007. We haven't had a winning season in an odd year since 1991. 67 3-11 68 4-9-1 69 5-9 70 2-11-1 71 4-8-2 72 2-11-1 73 5-9 74 5-9 75 2-12 76 4-10 77 3-11 78 7-9 79 8-8 80 1-15 81 4-12 82 4-5 83 8-8 84 7-9 85 5-11 86 7-8-1 87 12-4 88 10-6 89 9-7 90 8-8 91 11-5 92 12-4 93 8-8 94 7-9 95 7-9 96 3-13 97 6-10 98 6-10 99 3-13 0 10-6 1 7-9 2 9-7 3 8-8 4 8-8 5 3-13 6 10-6
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UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,865	Re: The Elephant in the Living Room? Tusk, tusk, tusk. Brees = Elephant on the living room. I think not. OK, he has not always been top form. OK, he has made mistakes. But IMHO he has been off “rhythm” for 3 games, a bit “ho-hum” for 1 game, and close to the “rhythm” we expect for a top QB for the rest. At the end of the day, there is no elephant in the living room. We have a herd of elephants in the organization. I am sure you guys “know” what we could have done better: Draft Free Agency Replacement of Deuce as soon as he went down Choice of Bush as the RB. Bush is a HB (and a bloody good one too) Experienced back-up for Colston Play selection Defensive schemes Strength of the lines and secondary ……………
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JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: The Elephant in the Living Room? "Replacement of Deuce as soon as he went down" Amen!!!!!!! Why didn't we bring up Branch right then and let him get some playing time?He's the biggest back we have on the roster and he's still on the practice squad? I really do wonder if we don't have the cart before the horse here.

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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: The Elephant in the Living Room? Originally Posted by IowaSaint Are we missing the real elephant in the room?? No real running game!! I'd call it an abandoned running game. It's there. It's just that Coach Payton isn't patient enough to stick with it. The next thing you know that for good or for bad the offense is slinging the ball all over the field. When you can't rush the ball between the tackles it allows the D-line to pin it's ears back and rush the passer. I know that Peyton has tried to substitute the short pass in lieu of a running attack, but to make that effective you still have to have something that resembles a running attack between the tackles otherwise the Linebackers can shadow the back without being worried about the middle of the field. Agreed. The Saints have rushed well between the tackles at times. Then they get away from it. The real elephant is Reggie's inability to run in the middle of the field or the loss of Duece or lack of using Duece when we had him. I disagree with this. Reggie has proved that if you give him the ball 20 times in a game, he'll get you a buck and change. And that's running the ball inside the tackles. But Coach runs Stecker out there. Then he pulls Karney. Then he starts to have Brees sling the ball. Bush isn't going to bust a 60 yard TD every time he touches the ball inside the tackles. But he's had several 10-20 yard runs during the course of the season. Until we can make defenses stay honest in the middle of the field we should expect more of the same. That's right. The Saints base formation needs to be the I with Karney at fullback and PT23 or Reggie in the TB slot. Let Bush go wide sometimes. But run the ball from the formation. Set up play action. Then you'll get more explosive plays down the field with less hits and mistakes from Brees. SFIAH
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