GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb

WhoDatQB · 11-26-2007, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

See I am glad someone else is seeing what I have been seeing. Did you see the one where he had his choice of 3 DB's and some how he managed to go right between them as they stood there waiting for the RB to come to them to be tackled. AMAZING they give this guy uniform.

I saw that play and the blocking the man into a tackle. Not to mention another screen pass that he blew. While not all of the game was this horrible he is far from consistent, and his bads are far more damaging than his goods are in helping.

I have been critical of the offensive line as well so far this season. I think Goodwin performed better than Faine, his bad plays are far better than Faine's, and I never once saw him go between DB's or LB's allowing them to make a tackle as I have seen Faine do at least three times a game.

Euphoria · 11-26-2007, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

I saw that play and the blocking the man into a tackle. Not to mention another screen pass that he blew. While not all of the game was this horrible he is far from consistent, and his bads are far more damaging than his goods are in helping.

I have been critical of the offensive line as well so far this season. I think Goodwin performed better than Faine, his bad plays are far better than Faine's, and I never once saw him go between DB's or LB's allowing them to make a tackle as I have seen Faine do at least three times a game.

OMG... FINALLY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT - THANK YOU! I TOTALLY AGREE 100 perect.
WHODAT - YOU RULE.

papz · 11-26-2007, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

OMG... FINALLY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT - THANK YOU! I TOTALLY AGREE 100 perect.
WHODAT - YOU RULE.

So if you agree with him 100%, are you retracting that you think he's completely useless, horrible, and does not deserve to even be wearing a uniform? Because that's what you said... not what he said.

Cause from what I've read, WhoDatQB is saying Faine does do some good things but he's very inconsistent. His good does not outweigh the bad and Goodwin might be the better option.

Ooops I did it again.

If Goodwin gets another shot and proves to be consistent, I would not oppose to changing centers. Hopefully Faine will pick up his game and we'll continue to rack up more wins.

Euphoria · 11-26-2007, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by papz

So if you agree with him 100%, are you retracting that you think he's completely useless, horrible, and does not deserve to even be wearing a uniform? Because that's what you said... not what he said.

Cause from what I've read, WhoDatQB is saying Faine does do some good things but he's very inconsistent. His good does not outweigh the bad and Goodwin might be the better option.

Ooops I did it again.

If Goodwin gets another shot and proves to be consistent, I would not oppose to changing centers. Hopefully Faine will pick up his game and we'll continue to rack up more wins.

I agree that Goodwin is a better option. I agree on the HORRIBLE play of Faine and pointed out the same mis-cues. Not only those but there were a few others as well. There was no outstanding plays that I can find that would outweigh the bad plays.

What I read out of Whodats post is that the other plays were not as horrible as those that were mentioned but didn't say they were any good either. I looked at the game again and can't point to anything that stood out as good. Hiding behind the guards as they were pass blocking isn't blocking either! When you are taught to block the inside rush first and then look to the outside and he didn't do that.

So Yes I can agree with Whodat. If I was to retract anything I'd retract the consistancy part... Faine plays very consistant, consistantly BAD.

If he doesn't something good I'll point it out just like I have done Brown in past weeks and Stinchcomb this week. OUTSTANDING game. Faine hasn't shown me anything.

WhoDatQB · 11-26-2007, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by papz

So if you agree with him 100%, are you retracting that you think he's completely useless, horrible, and does not deserve to even be wearing a uniform? Because that's what you said... not what he said.

Cause from what I've read, WhoDatQB is saying Faine does do some good things but he's very inconsistent. His good does not outweigh the bad and Goodwin might be the better option.

Ooops I did it again.

If Goodwin gets another shot and proves to be consistent, I would not oppose to changing centers. Hopefully Faine will pick up his game and we'll continue to rack up more wins.

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OK, well I think I should explain what I was saying. Faine is horrible and is a well below average center. He does not always miss assignments, but when he does pick them up he gets smacked around. He does actually block sometimes, and every once in awhile does a decent job.

However, I am sorry, but I doubt there are more than two other teams in the league that Faine would start for. I do not think he is a waste of a jersey, he is better than I am at playing center, but he is a waste of a STARTING JERSEY. A starter should not allow his guards to do all the work, miss blocking players that he outweighs by 50 pounds or more by flat out missing them or falling down or allowing himself to be driven into the ball carrier. He hasn't done these things just once or twice this year. He does all of them once or twice a game.

While Albert Haynesworth is a great DT, as a STARTER in the NFL you should not get beaten by your man EVERY time like he did. Not only did Haynesworth beat him every time, but so did Brown and Starks. I just finished watching this game for a third time, FAINE would have been better served sticking a chair in his place and standing on the sideline in this game.

Not sure if this helps, I am not trying to jump in the middle of whatever you two have, but I think that Euphoria gets a bad rap sometimes. Euphoria will allow himself(like me) to see the bad in a team he loves, and hopes during the offseason that they address some of these shortcomings. Some fans see a win and say yep, we are gonna smack the Bucs around. Nope, if Garcia is in we will not smack them around, we can definately win and I think we will, but who knows which Saints team shows up.

11-26-2007, 03:33 PM	#1
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by Euphoria See I am glad someone else is seeing what I have been seeing. Did you see the one where he had his choice of 3 DB's and some how he managed to go right between them as they stood there waiting for the RB to come to them to be tackled. AMAZING they give this guy uniform. I saw that play and the blocking the man into a tackle. Not to mention another screen pass that he blew. While not all of the game was this horrible he is far from consistent, and his bads are far more damaging than his goods are in helping. I have been critical of the offensive line as well so far this season. I think Goodwin performed better than Faine, his bad plays are far better than Faine's, and I never once saw him go between DB's or LB's allowing them to make a tackle as I have seen Faine do at least three times a game.

11-26-2007, 03:40 PM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by WhoDatQB I saw that play and the blocking the man into a tackle. Not to mention another screen pass that he blew. While not all of the game was this horrible he is far from consistent, and his bads are far more damaging than his goods are in helping. I have been critical of the offensive line as well so far this season. I think Goodwin performed better than Faine, his bad plays are far better than Faine's, and I never once saw him go between DB's or LB's allowing them to make a tackle as I have seen Faine do at least three times a game. OMG... FINALLY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT - THANK YOU! I TOTALLY AGREE 100 perect. WHODAT - YOU RULE.

11-26-2007, 04:23 PM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by Euphoria OMG... FINALLY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT - THANK YOU! I TOTALLY AGREE 100 perect. WHODAT - YOU RULE. So if you agree with him 100%, are you retracting that you think he's completely useless, horrible, and does not deserve to even be wearing a uniform? Because that's what you said... not what he said. Cause from what I've read, WhoDatQB is saying Faine does do some good things but he's very inconsistent. His good does not outweigh the bad and Goodwin might be the better option. Ooops I did it again. If Goodwin gets another shot and proves to be consistent, I would not oppose to changing centers. Hopefully Faine will pick up his game and we'll continue to rack up more wins.
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11-26-2007, 05:05 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by papz So if you agree with him 100%, are you retracting that you think he's completely useless, horrible, and does not deserve to even be wearing a uniform? Because that's what you said... not what he said. Cause from what I've read, WhoDatQB is saying Faine does do some good things but he's very inconsistent. His good does not outweigh the bad and Goodwin might be the better option. Ooops I did it again. If Goodwin gets another shot and proves to be consistent, I would not oppose to changing centers. Hopefully Faine will pick up his game and we'll continue to rack up more wins. I agree that Goodwin is a better option. I agree on the HORRIBLE play of Faine and pointed out the same mis-cues. Not only those but there were a few others as well. There was no outstanding plays that I can find that would outweigh the bad plays. What I read out of Whodats post is that the other plays were not as horrible as those that were mentioned but didn't say they were any good either. I looked at the game again and can't point to anything that stood out as good. Hiding behind the guards as they were pass blocking isn't blocking either! When you are taught to block the inside rush first and then look to the outside and he didn't do that. So Yes I can agree with Whodat. If I was to retract anything I'd retract the consistancy part... Faine plays very consistant, consistantly BAD. If he doesn't something good I'll point it out just like I have done Brown in past weeks and Stinchcomb this week. OUTSTANDING game. Faine hasn't shown me anything.
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11-26-2007, 08:19 PM	#5
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: GAME BALL: Jonathan Stinchcomb Originally Posted by papz So if you agree with him 100%, are you retracting that you think he's completely useless, horrible, and does not deserve to even be wearing a uniform? Because that's what you said... not what he said. Cause from what I've read, WhoDatQB is saying Faine does do some good things but he's very inconsistent. His good does not outweigh the bad and Goodwin might be the better option. Ooops I did it again. If Goodwin gets another shot and proves to be consistent, I would not oppose to changing centers. Hopefully Faine will pick up his game and we'll continue to rack up more wins. ========== OK, well I think I should explain what I was saying. Faine is horrible and is a well below average center. He does not always miss assignments, but when he does pick them up he gets smacked around. He does actually block sometimes, and every once in awhile does a decent job. However, I am sorry, but I doubt there are more than two other teams in the league that Faine would start for. I do not think he is a waste of a jersey, he is better than I am at playing center, but he is a waste of a STARTING JERSEY. A starter should not allow his guards to do all the work, miss blocking players that he outweighs by 50 pounds or more by flat out missing them or falling down or allowing himself to be driven into the ball carrier. He hasn't done these things just once or twice this year. He does all of them once or twice a game. While Albert Haynesworth is a great DT, as a STARTER in the NFL you should not get beaten by your man EVERY time like he did. Not only did Haynesworth beat him every time, but so did Brown and Starks. I just finished watching this game for a third time, FAINE would have been better served sticking a chair in his place and standing on the sideline in this game. Not sure if this helps, I am not trying to jump in the middle of whatever you two have, but I think that Euphoria gets a bad rap sometimes. Euphoria will allow himself(like me) to see the bad in a team he loves, and hopes during the offseason that they address some of these shortcomings. Some fans see a win and say yep, we are gonna smack the Bucs around. Nope, if Garcia is in we will not smack them around, we can definately win and I think we will, but who knows which Saints team shows up.