multi million dollar question?

procto · 12-03-2007, 08:22 AM

i love charles grant and will smith but they are not the best in the nfl and dont need to be paid like it.

hagan714 · 12-03-2007, 08:46 AM

The defense has a ton upgrades to do. If you look at Grants contract and remember the growth of the salary cap his contract does not look that bad in 2009. Smith is young and has plenty of years left in him. With some interior help and LB these two will have their game go to the next level. I still have faith in the two. They need a press CB, a big young DT, a Stud MLB and an aggressive WLB that can take over a game. That will take a couple of years to pull off but there is hope. Let us start of with CB first. Unfortunately Duce maybe out and a RB like Johnathan Stewart maybe on the board. I hope not.

JOESAM2002 · 12-03-2007, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by ssmitty

does anyone think grant deserves the contract, and does smith deserve one?
we just do not have the speed on the outside........
let's get some.............

Does Charles deserve it? Well to me that has 2 answers. As a leader and cheerleader, the answer is yes.

As a pure player, no. He needs to step up his game and produce more. He's ok against the run. His pass rushing skills seem to have diminished some. He has very few sacks this year. But who on this defense has very many? No one. All these guys aren't playing to their best. Brian Young was playing very well till his injury. We'll have to wait and see how he does now. Smith isn't playing up to his ability either right now, but there might be reasons for that too. When you're the only player putting forth any kind of effort, other teams notice this and they do what it takes to neutralize you. Are they doing this to Smith, yeah, probably.

So, there are many answers to your question. All are right and all are wrong. Take your pick.

Nemesis · 12-03-2007, 02:21 PM

I think the way to look at it is to question how this D would be without Grant and Smith. Someone else would've paid their asking price. Would we then be able to sign a DE of Grant's abilities that some are calling into question? Unlikely. Would we be able to draft another Smith? Even less likely. I agree that a couple more pieces at DT and LB would free up the DEs more, and some more heat would mask our shaky secondary.

stockman311 · 12-03-2007, 02:51 PM

I agree that Smith, Hollis and Grant would be excellent in a 3 - 4 scheme, but that entails going out and finding 3 other LB's who can actually run and tackle besides Fujita. God I hate Simenoux. He is just useless. Did you see two guys block Fujita on that run around the edge and Simenoux just stand there watching as the RB went around them. He sucks so hard.

WhoDatQB · 12-03-2007, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

I agree that Smith, Hollis and Grant would be excellent in a 3 - 4 scheme, but that entails going out and finding 3 other LB's who can actually run and tackle besides Fujita. God I hate Simenoux. He is just useless. Did you see two guys block Fujita on that run around the edge and Simenoux just stand there watching as the RB went around them. He sucks so hard.

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I for one think that Simmons could be a good OLB in a 3-4 scheme and Fujita could do pretty well as a ILB. Simoneaux blows hard and must have pictures of Gibbs and Peyton naked with farm animals.

Actually with Gibbs he seems so clueless with the personnel he has and the scheme that he thinks they can play that he may think Simoneaux is good.

JOESAM2002 · 12-03-2007, 06:10 PM

Ok, guys I've been letting some of this language slide, but if it keeps up look for me to start editing your posts. I think you know what i'm talking about. If you can't find a way to say someone isn't very good other than the way you're saying it pm me and i'll help you out. This stuff is just not needed.

12-03-2007, 08:22 AM	#1
procto Registered Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: bossier city Posts: 56	Re: multi million dollar question? i love charles grant and will smith but they are not the best in the nfl and dont need to be paid like it.

12-03-2007, 08:46 AM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: multi million dollar question? The defense has a ton upgrades to do. If you look at Grants contract and remember the growth of the salary cap his contract does not look that bad in 2009. Smith is young and has plenty of years left in him. With some interior help and LB these two will have their game go to the next level. I still have faith in the two. They need a press CB, a big young DT, a Stud MLB and an aggressive WLB that can take over a game. That will take a couple of years to pull off but there is hope. Let us start of with CB first. Unfortunately Duce maybe out and a RB like Johnathan Stewart maybe on the board. I hope not.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

12-03-2007, 09:55 AM	#3
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: multi million dollar question? Originally Posted by ssmitty does anyone think grant deserves the contract, and does smith deserve one? we just do not have the speed on the outside........ let's get some............. Does Charles deserve it? Well to me that has 2 answers. As a leader and cheerleader, the answer is yes. As a pure player, no. He needs to step up his game and produce more. He's ok against the run. His pass rushing skills seem to have diminished some. He has very few sacks this year. But who on this defense has very many? No one. All these guys aren't playing to their best. Brian Young was playing very well till his injury. We'll have to wait and see how he does now. Smith isn't playing up to his ability either right now, but there might be reasons for that too. When you're the only player putting forth any kind of effort, other teams notice this and they do what it takes to neutralize you. Are they doing this to Smith, yeah, probably. So, there are many answers to your question. All are right and all are wrong. Take your pick.
	Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt!!!!! "Every time you think, you weaken the nation!" Moe Howard...The Three Stooges.

12-03-2007, 02:21 PM	#4
Nemesis VIP~~Drunken Clam Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Quahog Posts: 422	Re: multi million dollar question? I think the way to look at it is to question how this D would be without Grant and Smith. Someone else would've paid their asking price. Would we then be able to sign a DE of Grant's abilities that some are calling into question? Unlikely. Would we be able to draft another Smith? Even less likely. I agree that a couple more pieces at DT and LB would free up the DEs more, and some more heat would mask our shaky secondary.

12-03-2007, 02:51 PM	#5
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: multi million dollar question? I agree that Smith, Hollis and Grant would be excellent in a 3 - 4 scheme, but that entails going out and finding 3 other LB's who can actually run and tackle besides Fujita. God I hate Simenoux. He is just useless. Did you see two guys block Fujita on that run around the edge and Simenoux just stand there watching as the RB went around them. He sucks so hard.

12-03-2007, 06:03 PM	#6
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: multi million dollar question? Originally Posted by stockman311 I agree that Smith, Hollis and Grant would be excellent in a 3 - 4 scheme, but that entails going out and finding 3 other LB's who can actually run and tackle besides Fujita. God I hate Simenoux. He is just useless. Did you see two guys block Fujita on that run around the edge and Simenoux just stand there watching as the RB went around them. He sucks so hard. ------------- I for one think that Simmons could be a good OLB in a 3-4 scheme and Fujita could do pretty well as a ILB. Simoneaux blows hard and must have pictures of Gibbs and Peyton naked with farm animals. Actually with Gibbs he seems so clueless with the personnel he has and the scheme that he thinks they can play that he may think Simoneaux is good.

12-03-2007, 06:10 PM	#7
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: multi million dollar question? Ok, guys I've been letting some of this language slide, but if it keeps up look for me to start editing your posts. I think you know what i'm talking about. If you can't find a way to say someone isn't very good other than the way you're saying it pm me and i'll help you out. This stuff is just not needed.