Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson

WillMacKenzie · 12-05-2007, 08:28 PM

And how long did it take AP to adjust and break the NFL single-game rushing record? I was happy for a time about getting to draft Reggie, but now I see how blinded even *I* was by the almighty ESPN hype-machine. Bush is a bust (as far as RB is concerned). He can't even catch lately, so I wouldn't even consider him a "great" passing threat either.

Thanks again almighty ESPN hype machine, for draining the meaning and INTEGRITY straight out of professional sports (and slowly but surely college athletics as well).

4 million dollars per year for a college head coach. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? No WONDER I can't even afford an education anymore!

Fed up in Louisiana (with big name sports),

willmac

QBREES9 · 12-05-2007, 09:17 PM

I think Adrian Peterson is what we all thought Reggie was going to be. Am I wrong ???

Has Reggie lost his confidence.

Tobias-Reiper · 12-06-2007, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

I think Adrian Peterson is what we all thought Reggie was going to be. Am I wrong ???

Has Reggie lost his confidence.

Actually, Adrian Peterson is nothing like what we expected Reggie to be.

Allow me to explain.

I admit it. I got caught up in the Reggie Bush hype. We all saw the highlight reels of Reggie doing things at USC that defied the laws of physics. And, honestly, as Saints fans after the 2005 season, we needed that hype, that promise of a new Gayle Sayers, the hope of a franchise savior.

And Reggie can still defy the laws of physics. Unfortunately for Reggie, there are 2 factors that are working against him right now:
1.- there are many NFL's that can also defy the laws of physics, and know how to play their positions
2.- ..and I've been saying this since the Falcons game last year: because Reggie is such a great pure athlete, he was never coached to be a RB. And your last name doesn't have to be Walsh or Shula to realize this by looking at the highlight reels: since HS, he's been handed the ball and been expected to do something amazing on the field. And he delivered through college, until he got into the NFL, and as pointed out in #1 above, the athletes are not only as good as him, but know how to play their positions many times better than the Standord sophmores who routinely lost their jockstraps trying to tackle Bush

And at this point, I don't know if the Saints coaching staff is attempting to coach Reggie and he's not getting it, or if the coaching staff is still expecting to give him the ball and he do something amazing every time, but something is amiss.

On the other hand, Adrian Peterson, while an outstanding pure athlete himself, he's been coached to be a RB. Again, you need not be an NFL HC to see the way AP uses his blockers. On the other hand, when you look at Reggie at USC or HS, you never saw him utilize his blockers, just pure moves left and right to leave inferior athletes wondering what happened.

Also, AP's N-S style of running is a betterimmediatefit for the NFL. not to mention he's got the size and power not to be armed tackled and the speed to hit holes when they open and pull away from defenders.

One more thing that helps AP: the Vikings have no passing game. Everyone is in the box trying to stop Peterson. If he happens to break 5 yards past the line, there's no one in front of him to even slow him down, and even if a SS or FS is there, they just don't have the strength to bring Peterson down.

BIGEASY504 · 12-06-2007, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

I think Adrian Peterson is what we all thought Reggie was going to be. Am I wrong ???

Has Reggie lost his confidence.

Reggie is not built like AP. You won’t get a power game out of him so therefore there is no comparison. AP has power and speed Reggie is pure speed. Which this year with Deuce going down he tried but it was less to be desired and I hate to change the thread but what I do expect is for Reggie to be used properly because when we lost Deuce we should have gotten a power back or used P.Thomas more (Stecker in my opinion is a slower Bush) and we would have seen Bush true game.

JOESAM2002 · 12-06-2007, 01:55 PM

I'll say it again, reggie isn't being used right. He did great with Deuce in the backfield with him because there was another threat back there. Reggie performs better in a 2 back back field. Put Pierre and Reggie in the backfield at the same time you have the same concept. Who are you going to watch? There would be so many things you could do with that.

WillMacKenzie · 12-06-2007, 03:50 PM

Are you people telling me that if Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush swap teams RIGHT now, that Reggie will turn into AP, and AP will turn into Reggie and start running out of bounds? Do you see Westbrook struggling to cope? Maurice Jones-Drew? Pierre Thomas?

Are you telling me that it's Karney's fault he's not doing his job as a fullback?

Or maybe is Reggie psyching his OWN self out? There's lanes to run through, you've just got to be man enough to hit the holes instead of sweating bullets trying to completely dodge any type of contact whatsoever. I seriously think there is something wrong with Reggie in the head. He's not playin w/ a full sack of marbles.

And all this stuff about drafting him to be this or that. He was a RUNNING BACK. WAS HE NOT? He won the HEISMAN, did he not? He had a wonderous 10 yard per carry average and a touchdown every 10 touches, did he not?? And now he can't gain 2 yards without fumbling.

Yeah he has to "learn" to be a running back. That's absurd, he's a professional getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and he can't learn what he's being doing all his life - and 2 years at the NFL level. I'm tired of wasting precious GAMES on this kid's back. Inept. Maybe it's just a mixture of Payton's blissful ignorance in scheming and gameplanning, AND the lack of manhood on Bush's part.

Champ Kind · 12-06-2007, 04:31 PM

I think the OL's of each team are completely different.
Our OL is built for quick passing and that's about it.
Theirs is built for running attack.

That said, there is a difference between Bush and AP.
But.... who in the NFL has come close to playing at AP's level this season?
He's a manchild!

Tobias-Reiper · 12-06-2007, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

And all this stuff about drafting him to be this or that. He was a RUNNING BACK. WAS HE NOT? He won the HEISMAN, did he not? He had a wonderous 10 yard per carry average and a touchdown every 10 touches, did he not?? And now he can't gain 2 yards without fumbling.

Yeah he has to "learn" to be a running back. That's absurd, he's a professional getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and he can't learn what he's being doing all his life - and 2 years at the NFL level. I'm tired of wasting precious GAMES on this kid's back. Inept. Maybe it's just a mixture of Payton's blissful ignorance in scheming and gameplanning, AND the lack of manhood on Bush's part.

I was going to reply to this post, but the last sentence there, not B&G material.

saints9 · 12-07-2007, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

Are you people telling me that if Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush swap teams RIGHT now, that Reggie will turn into AP, and AP will turn into Reggie and start running out of bounds? Do you see Westbrook struggling to cope? Maurice Jones-Drew? Pierre Thomas?

Are you telling me that it's Karney's fault he's not doing his job as a fullback?

Or maybe is Reggie psyching his OWN self out? There's lanes to run through, you've just got to be man enough to hit the holes instead of sweating bullets trying to completely dodge any type of contact whatsoever. I seriously think there is something wrong with Reggie in the head. He's not playin w/ a full sack of marbles.

And all this stuff about drafting him to be this or that. He was a RUNNING BACK. WAS HE NOT? He won the HEISMAN, did he not? He had a wonderous 10 yard per carry average and a touchdown every 10 touches, did he not?? And now he can't gain 2 yards without fumbling.

Yeah he has to "learn" to be a running back. That's absurd, he's a professional getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and he can't learn what he's being doing all his life - and 2 years at the NFL level. I'm tired of wasting precious GAMES on this kid's back. Inept. Maybe it's just a mixture of Payton's blissful ignorance in scheming and gameplanning, AND the lack of manhood on Bush's part.

I so sick and tired of people downing Reggie Bush, this team has had tons of talent on this team, and just can't win. When Reggie got drafted to New Orleans Saints, I felt sorry for him, because all I knew all that he was going to have was bad luck. And you Saints fans know it true, after 40 years of losing, what is this saying? I want the Saints to win just like the rest of you fans, but for some reason they can't. As for as Manhood, did Arching Manning have manhood? Did Pat Swilling have manhood? Did Bobby Hebert have manhood? Who talks about Reggie Bush like a dog, but was second rate quarterback, who couldn't get the job done. I said that the Fleur de lis was cursing the Saints because it was used for branding black people in slavery, the fans so that's not the problem. Than what is it after 40 years of losing, why can't we win at home in the dome? Fumbling big plays is the norm for the Saints, it didn't start with Reggie Bush. The Saints could have a big lead and just lose the game in the last seconds, you fans should know the script by now. Why is it that win player leave the Saints they play better football for other teams? If some of you fans can answer this question, will you please tell me why? My self personally, the name Saints need to go and the Fleur de lis.

FireVenturi · 12-06-2007, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

I'll say it again, reggie isn't being used right. He did great with Deuce in the backfield with him because there was another threat back there. Reggie performs better in a 2 back back field. Put Pierre and Reggie in the backfield at the same time you have the same concept. Who are you going to watch? There would be so many things you could do with that.

One problem with that Joe.....it just makes to much sense!!!

12-05-2007, 09:17 PM	#2
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson I think Adrian Peterson is what we all thought Reggie was going to be. Am I wrong ??? Has Reggie lost his confidence.

12-06-2007, 11:01 AM	#3
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by QBREES9 I think Adrian Peterson is what we all thought Reggie was going to be. Am I wrong ??? Has Reggie lost his confidence. Actually, Adrian Peterson is nothing like what we expected Reggie to be. Allow me to explain. I admit it. I got caught up in the Reggie Bush hype. We all saw the highlight reels of Reggie doing things at USC that defied the laws of physics. And, honestly, as Saints fans after the 2005 season, we needed that hype, that promise of a new Gayle Sayers, the hope of a franchise savior. And Reggie can still defy the laws of physics. Unfortunately for Reggie, there are 2 factors that are working against him right now: 1.- there are many NFL's that can also defy the laws of physics, and know how to play their positions 2.- ..and I've been saying this since the Falcons game last year: because Reggie is such a great pure athlete, he was never coached to be a RB. And your last name doesn't have to be Walsh or Shula to realize this by looking at the highlight reels: since HS, he's been handed the ball and been expected to do something amazing on the field. And he delivered through college, until he got into the NFL, and as pointed out in #1 above, the athletes are not only as good as him, but know how to play their positions many times better than the Standord sophmores who routinely lost their jockstraps trying to tackle Bush And at this point, I don't know if the Saints coaching staff is attempting to coach Reggie and he's not getting it, or if the coaching staff is still expecting to give him the ball and he do something amazing every time, but something is amiss. On the other hand, Adrian Peterson, while an outstanding pure athlete himself, he's been coached to be a RB. Again, you need not be an NFL HC to see the way AP uses his blockers. On the other hand, when you look at Reggie at USC or HS, you never saw him utilize his blockers, just pure moves left and right to leave inferior athletes wondering what happened. Also, AP's N-S style of running is a betterimmediatefit for the NFL. not to mention he's got the size and power not to be armed tackled and the speed to hit holes when they open and pull away from defenders. One more thing that helps AP: the Vikings have no passing game. Everyone is in the box trying to stop Peterson. If he happens to break 5 yards past the line, there's no one in front of him to even slow him down, and even if a SS or FS is there, they just don't have the strength to bring Peterson down.
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12-06-2007, 12:27 PM	#4
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by QBREES9 I think Adrian Peterson is what we all thought Reggie was going to be. Am I wrong ??? Has Reggie lost his confidence. Reggie is not built like AP. You won’t get a power game out of him so therefore there is no comparison. AP has power and speed Reggie is pure speed. Which this year with Deuce going down he tried but it was less to be desired and I hate to change the thread but what I do expect is for Reggie to be used properly because when we lost Deuce we should have gotten a power back or used P.Thomas more (Stecker in my opinion is a slower Bush) and we would have seen Bush true game.
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12-06-2007, 01:55 PM	#5
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson I'll say it again, reggie isn't being used right. He did great with Deuce in the backfield with him because there was another threat back there. Reggie performs better in a 2 back back field. Put Pierre and Reggie in the backfield at the same time you have the same concept. Who are you going to watch? There would be so many things you could do with that.

12-06-2007, 03:50 PM	#6
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Are you people telling me that if Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush swap teams RIGHT now, that Reggie will turn into AP, and AP will turn into Reggie and start running out of bounds? Do you see Westbrook struggling to cope? Maurice Jones-Drew? Pierre Thomas? Are you telling me that it's Karney's fault he's not doing his job as a fullback? Or maybe is Reggie psyching his OWN self out? There's lanes to run through, you've just got to be man enough to hit the holes instead of sweating bullets trying to completely dodge any type of contact whatsoever. I seriously think there is something wrong with Reggie in the head. He's not playin w/ a full sack of marbles. And all this stuff about drafting him to be this or that. He was a RUNNING BACK. WAS HE NOT? He won the HEISMAN, did he not? He had a wonderous 10 yard per carry average and a touchdown every 10 touches, did he not?? And now he can't gain 2 yards without fumbling. Yeah he has to "learn" to be a running back. That's absurd, he's a professional getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and he can't learn what he's being doing all his life - and 2 years at the NFL level. I'm tired of wasting precious GAMES on this kid's back. Inept. Maybe it's just a mixture of Payton's blissful ignorance in scheming and gameplanning, AND the lack of manhood on Bush's part.
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12-05-2007, 08:28 PM	#1
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson And how long did it take AP to adjust and break the NFL single-game rushing record? I was happy for a time about getting to draft Reggie, but now I see how blinded even I was by the almighty ESPN hype-machine. Bush is a bust (as far as RB is concerned). He can't even catch lately, so I wouldn't even consider him a "great" passing threat either. Thanks again almighty ESPN hype machine, for draining the meaning and INTEGRITY straight out of professional sports (and slowly but surely college athletics as well). 4 million dollars per year for a college head coach. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? No WONDER I can't even afford an education anymore! Fed up in Louisiana (with big name sports), willmac

12-06-2007, 04:31 PM	#7
Champ Kind Nachooooooooooo Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Shreveport Posts: 71	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson I think the OL's of each team are completely different. Our OL is built for quick passing and that's about it. Theirs is built for running attack. That said, there is a difference between Bush and AP. But.... who in the NFL has come close to playing at AP's level this season? He's a manchild!

12-06-2007, 05:14 PM	#8
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie And all this stuff about drafting him to be this or that. He was a RUNNING BACK. WAS HE NOT? He won the HEISMAN, did he not? He had a wonderous 10 yard per carry average and a touchdown every 10 touches, did he not?? And now he can't gain 2 yards without fumbling. Yeah he has to "learn" to be a running back. That's absurd, he's a professional getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and he can't learn what he's being doing all his life - and 2 years at the NFL level. I'm tired of wasting precious GAMES on this kid's back. Inept. Maybe it's just a mixture of Payton's blissful ignorance in scheming and gameplanning, AND the lack of manhood on Bush's part. I was going to reply to this post, but the last sentence there, not B&G material.

12-07-2007, 05:10 PM	#9
saints9 Registered Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 38	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie Are you people telling me that if Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush swap teams RIGHT now, that Reggie will turn into AP, and AP will turn into Reggie and start running out of bounds? Do you see Westbrook struggling to cope? Maurice Jones-Drew? Pierre Thomas? Are you telling me that it's Karney's fault he's not doing his job as a fullback? Or maybe is Reggie psyching his OWN self out? There's lanes to run through, you've just got to be man enough to hit the holes instead of sweating bullets trying to completely dodge any type of contact whatsoever. I seriously think there is something wrong with Reggie in the head. He's not playin w/ a full sack of marbles. And all this stuff about drafting him to be this or that. He was a RUNNING BACK. WAS HE NOT? He won the HEISMAN, did he not? He had a wonderous 10 yard per carry average and a touchdown every 10 touches, did he not?? And now he can't gain 2 yards without fumbling. Yeah he has to "learn" to be a running back. That's absurd, he's a professional getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and he can't learn what he's being doing all his life - and 2 years at the NFL level. I'm tired of wasting precious GAMES on this kid's back. Inept. Maybe it's just a mixture of Payton's blissful ignorance in scheming and gameplanning, AND the lack of manhood on Bush's part. I so sick and tired of people downing Reggie Bush, this team has had tons of talent on this team, and just can't win. When Reggie got drafted to New Orleans Saints, I felt sorry for him, because all I knew all that he was going to have was bad luck. And you Saints fans know it true, after 40 years of losing, what is this saying? I want the Saints to win just like the rest of you fans, but for some reason they can't. As for as Manhood, did Arching Manning have manhood? Did Pat Swilling have manhood? Did Bobby Hebert have manhood? Who talks about Reggie Bush like a dog, but was second rate quarterback, who couldn't get the job done. I said that the Fleur de lis was cursing the Saints because it was used for branding black people in slavery, the fans so that's not the problem. Than what is it after 40 years of losing, why can't we win at home in the dome? Fumbling big plays is the norm for the Saints, it didn't start with Reggie Bush. The Saints could have a big lead and just lose the game in the last seconds, you fans should know the script by now. Why is it that win player leave the Saints they play better football for other teams? If some of you fans can answer this question, will you please tell me why? My self personally, the name Saints need to go and the Fleur de lis.
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12-06-2007, 07:44 PM	#10
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 I'll say it again, reggie isn't being used right. He did great with Deuce in the backfield with him because there was another threat back there. Reggie performs better in a 2 back back field. Put Pierre and Reggie in the backfield at the same time you have the same concept. Who are you going to watch? There would be so many things you could do with that. One problem with that Joe.....it just makes to much sense!!!