Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson

MatthewT · 12-06-2007, 05:28 PM

The main thing that is disturbing about Reggie is he looks worn out. I agree that he also needs to be coached better as a RB. Hopefully next year he can return to the roll he had in 2006. The Saints really need to get another RB to compliment him, one who can get those 4 yard runs consistently, and a RB who can stand up to the pounding of a 25-30 carry type of game.

Champ Kind · 12-06-2007, 05:31 PM

I think the OL's of each team are completely different.
Our OL is built for quick passing and that's about it.
Theirs is built for running attack.

That said, there is a difference between Bush and AP.
But.... who in the NFL has come close to playing at AP's level this season?
He's a manchild!

Tobias-Reiper · 12-06-2007, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

And all this stuff about drafting him to be this or that. He was a RUNNING BACK. WAS HE NOT? He won the HEISMAN, did he not? He had a wonderous 10 yard per carry average and a touchdown every 10 touches, did he not?? And now he can't gain 2 yards without fumbling.

Yeah he has to "learn" to be a running back. That's absurd, he's a professional getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and he can't learn what he's being doing all his life - and 2 years at the NFL level. I'm tired of wasting precious GAMES on this kid's back. Inept. Maybe it's just a mixture of Payton's blissful ignorance in scheming and gameplanning, AND the lack of manhood on Bush's part.

I was going to reply to this post, but the last sentence there, not B&G material.

JOESAM2002 · 12-06-2007, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Champ Kind

I think the OL's of each team are completely different.
Our OL is built for quick passing and that's about it.
Theirs is built for running attack.

That said, there is a difference between Bush and AP.
But.... who in the NFL has come close to playing at AP's level this season?
He's a manchild!

I think you and I believe it was Hagan who said that our line was built for the passing game. If I had to guess watching Payton call plays and coach that must be it. He's big time into the passing game. He uses the run just to try to keep a defense honest. Trouble is, if you can't run the ball your whole plan is nill. It won't work.

FireVenturi · 12-06-2007, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

I'll say it again, reggie isn't being used right. He did great with Deuce in the backfield with him because there was another threat back there. Reggie performs better in a 2 back back field. Put Pierre and Reggie in the backfield at the same time you have the same concept. Who are you going to watch? There would be so many things you could do with that.

One problem with that Joe.....it just makes to much sense!!!

Champ Kind · 12-06-2007, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

I think you and I believe it was Hagan who said that our line was built for the passing game. If I had to guess watching Payton call plays and coach that must be it. He's big time into the passing game. He uses the run just to try to keep a defense honest. Trouble is, if you can't run the ball your whole plan is nill. It won't work.

This is pretty funny, My last name is Hagen.

JOESAM2002 · 12-06-2007, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Champ Kind

This is pretty funny, My last name is Hagen.

Well welcome aboard. We have a moderator named Hagen. Every now and then he says something that makes sense.

"One problem with that Joe.....it just makes to much sense!!!"Said Fireventuri

See every now and theen I even say something that makes sense.

hagan714 · 12-06-2007, 10:00 PM

oh god we have an impostor. but great minds think alike.

BoudinSandwich · 12-07-2007, 04:59 AM

Offensive Schemes have a lot to do with it. Sean Payton abandoned focus on an adequate running game for half of his tenure as a head coach.

According to Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com):

Minnesota has rushed 377 times for 2,122 yards and 17 Touchdowns
Minnesota has attempted to pass 306 times for 2,131 yards and 8 Touchdowns

New Orleans has rushed 292 times for 1,032 yards and 10 Touchdowns
New Orleans has attempted to pass 479 times for 3,176 yards, and 20 Touchdowns

It's two totally different offenses. Plus, When Adrian Peterson was out, Chester Taylor continued the dominance at Running Back. It's not like Adrian Peterson was making their running game a success, he was just making it more of one.

saints9 · 12-07-2007, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

Are you people telling me that if Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush swap teams RIGHT now, that Reggie will turn into AP, and AP will turn into Reggie and start running out of bounds? Do you see Westbrook struggling to cope? Maurice Jones-Drew? Pierre Thomas?

Are you telling me that it's Karney's fault he's not doing his job as a fullback?

Or maybe is Reggie psyching his OWN self out? There's lanes to run through, you've just got to be man enough to hit the holes instead of sweating bullets trying to completely dodge any type of contact whatsoever. I seriously think there is something wrong with Reggie in the head. He's not playin w/ a full sack of marbles.

And all this stuff about drafting him to be this or that. He was a RUNNING BACK. WAS HE NOT? He won the HEISMAN, did he not? He had a wonderous 10 yard per carry average and a touchdown every 10 touches, did he not?? And now he can't gain 2 yards without fumbling.

Yeah he has to "learn" to be a running back. That's absurd, he's a professional getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and he can't learn what he's being doing all his life - and 2 years at the NFL level. I'm tired of wasting precious GAMES on this kid's back. Inept. Maybe it's just a mixture of Payton's blissful ignorance in scheming and gameplanning, AND the lack of manhood on Bush's part.

I so sick and tired of people downing Reggie Bush, this team has had tons of talent on this team, and just can't win. When Reggie got drafted to New Orleans Saints, I felt sorry for him, because all I knew all that he was going to have was bad luck. And you Saints fans know it true, after 40 years of losing, what is this saying? I want the Saints to win just like the rest of you fans, but for some reason they can't. As for as Manhood, did Arching Manning have manhood? Did Pat Swilling have manhood? Did Bobby Hebert have manhood? Who talks about Reggie Bush like a dog, but was second rate quarterback, who couldn't get the job done. I said that the Fleur de lis was cursing the Saints because it was used for branding black people in slavery, the fans so that's not the problem. Than what is it after 40 years of losing, why can't we win at home in the dome? Fumbling big plays is the norm for the Saints, it didn't start with Reggie Bush. The Saints could have a big lead and just lose the game in the last seconds, you fans should know the script by now. Why is it that win player leave the Saints they play better football for other teams? If some of you fans can answer this question, will you please tell me why? My self personally, the name Saints need to go and the Fleur de lis.

12-06-2007, 05:28 PM	#11
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson The main thing that is disturbing about Reggie is he looks worn out. I agree that he also needs to be coached better as a RB. Hopefully next year he can return to the roll he had in 2006. The Saints really need to get another RB to compliment him, one who can get those 4 yard runs consistently, and a RB who can stand up to the pounding of a 25-30 carry type of game.

12-06-2007, 05:31 PM	#12
Champ Kind Nachooooooooooo Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Shreveport Posts: 71	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson I think the OL's of each team are completely different. Our OL is built for quick passing and that's about it. Theirs is built for running attack. That said, there is a difference between Bush and AP. But.... who in the NFL has come close to playing at AP's level this season? He's a manchild!

12-06-2007, 06:14 PM	#13
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie And all this stuff about drafting him to be this or that. He was a RUNNING BACK. WAS HE NOT? He won the HEISMAN, did he not? He had a wonderous 10 yard per carry average and a touchdown every 10 touches, did he not?? And now he can't gain 2 yards without fumbling. Yeah he has to "learn" to be a running back. That's absurd, he's a professional getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and he can't learn what he's being doing all his life - and 2 years at the NFL level. I'm tired of wasting precious GAMES on this kid's back. Inept. Maybe it's just a mixture of Payton's blissful ignorance in scheming and gameplanning, AND the lack of manhood on Bush's part. I was going to reply to this post, but the last sentence there, not B&G material.

12-06-2007, 06:15 PM	#14
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by Champ Kind I think the OL's of each team are completely different. Our OL is built for quick passing and that's about it. Theirs is built for running attack. That said, there is a difference between Bush and AP. But.... who in the NFL has come close to playing at AP's level this season? He's a manchild! I think you and I believe it was Hagan who said that our line was built for the passing game. If I had to guess watching Payton call plays and coach that must be it. He's big time into the passing game. He uses the run just to try to keep a defense honest. Trouble is, if you can't run the ball your whole plan is nill. It won't work.

12-06-2007, 08:44 PM	#15
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 I'll say it again, reggie isn't being used right. He did great with Deuce in the backfield with him because there was another threat back there. Reggie performs better in a 2 back back field. Put Pierre and Reggie in the backfield at the same time you have the same concept. Who are you going to watch? There would be so many things you could do with that. One problem with that Joe.....it just makes to much sense!!!

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12-06-2007, 09:40 PM	#16
Champ Kind Nachooooooooooo Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Shreveport Posts: 71	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 I think you and I believe it was Hagan who said that our line was built for the passing game. If I had to guess watching Payton call plays and coach that must be it. He's big time into the passing game. He uses the run just to try to keep a defense honest. Trouble is, if you can't run the ball your whole plan is nill. It won't work. This is pretty funny, My last name is Hagen.

12-06-2007, 09:45 PM	#17
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by Champ Kind This is pretty funny, My last name is Hagen. Well welcome aboard. We have a moderator named Hagen. Every now and then he says something that makes sense. "One problem with that Joe.....it just makes to much sense!!!"Said Fireventuri See every now and theen I even say something that makes sense.

12-06-2007, 10:00 PM	#18
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12-07-2007, 04:59 AM	#19
BoudinSandwich OldiesDJ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scott, LA Posts: 951 Blog Entries: 12	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Offensive Schemes have a lot to do with it. Sean Payton abandoned focus on an adequate running game for half of his tenure as a head coach. According to Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com): Minnesota has rushed 377 times for 2,122 yards and 17 Touchdowns Minnesota has attempted to pass 306 times for 2,131 yards and 8 Touchdowns New Orleans has rushed 292 times for 1,032 yards and 10 Touchdowns New Orleans has attempted to pass 479 times for 3,176 yards, and 20 Touchdowns It's two totally different offenses. Plus, When Adrian Peterson was out, Chester Taylor continued the dominance at Running Back. It's not like Adrian Peterson was making their running game a success, he was just making it more of one.
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12-07-2007, 06:10 PM	#20
saints9 Registered Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 38	Re: Reggie Bush vs. Adrian Peterson Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie Are you people telling me that if Adrian Peterson and Reggie Bush swap teams RIGHT now, that Reggie will turn into AP, and AP will turn into Reggie and start running out of bounds? Do you see Westbrook struggling to cope? Maurice Jones-Drew? Pierre Thomas? Are you telling me that it's Karney's fault he's not doing his job as a fullback? Or maybe is Reggie psyching his OWN self out? There's lanes to run through, you've just got to be man enough to hit the holes instead of sweating bullets trying to completely dodge any type of contact whatsoever. I seriously think there is something wrong with Reggie in the head. He's not playin w/ a full sack of marbles. And all this stuff about drafting him to be this or that. He was a RUNNING BACK. WAS HE NOT? He won the HEISMAN, did he not? He had a wonderous 10 yard per carry average and a touchdown every 10 touches, did he not?? And now he can't gain 2 yards without fumbling. Yeah he has to "learn" to be a running back. That's absurd, he's a professional getting paid millions and millions of dollars, and he can't learn what he's being doing all his life - and 2 years at the NFL level. I'm tired of wasting precious GAMES on this kid's back. Inept. Maybe it's just a mixture of Payton's blissful ignorance in scheming and gameplanning, AND the lack of manhood on Bush's part. I so sick and tired of people downing Reggie Bush, this team has had tons of talent on this team, and just can't win. When Reggie got drafted to New Orleans Saints, I felt sorry for him, because all I knew all that he was going to have was bad luck. And you Saints fans know it true, after 40 years of losing, what is this saying? I want the Saints to win just like the rest of you fans, but for some reason they can't. As for as Manhood, did Arching Manning have manhood? Did Pat Swilling have manhood? Did Bobby Hebert have manhood? Who talks about Reggie Bush like a dog, but was second rate quarterback, who couldn't get the job done. I said that the Fleur de lis was cursing the Saints because it was used for branding black people in slavery, the fans so that's not the problem. Than what is it after 40 years of losing, why can't we win at home in the dome? Fumbling big plays is the norm for the Saints, it didn't start with Reggie Bush. The Saints could have a big lead and just lose the game in the last seconds, you fans should know the script by now. Why is it that win player leave the Saints they play better football for other teams? If some of you fans can answer this question, will you please tell me why? My self personally, the name Saints need to go and the Fleur de lis.
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