Defense question

saintsfan1976 · 12-19-2007, 11:06 AM

The Bucs were in a bunch formation on the goal line. TE Jerramy Stevens was on the end and motioned to the outside at the last second before the snap. He was one on one with Craft who was in perfect position but just about 3 inches shorter than he needed to be to deflect the pass. New Orleans had no timeouts and couldn't change personnel. Then we fumbled and game over.

I don't know the rules of using an O player for D, but I'm sure if that person is listed as such, then yes.

stockman311 · 12-19-2007, 11:21 AM

There is no such rule. Also you don't have to notify the refs.

The reason you don't put Colston on the field to play defense is two fold.

First and foremost WR and CB are entirely different positions that require entirely different skill sets. DB's are constantly backpeddling and breaking to the ball as opposed to WR who are used to running in only one direction. Also, DB's need to know defensive scheme and the tendencies of the WR's they are going against. They need to know if a guy cuts routes short or acts differently at the line when the play is called for him. They need to know how to play in a zone where they pass receivers off to safeties and pickup other players as they come into their zone. This is not an easy task to learn.

Secondly, using Colston on both sides would detract from his playmaking abilities on both sides. Even Deion Sanders, arguably the best pure athlete to ever play the game only played both sides of the ball occasionally. It's just too tiring to play the entire game at peak efficiency.

You will see WR's in the game in end of the game scenarios such as Hail Mary's and the like because WR's have better hands than DB's in theory. This is the main reason everyone was screaming bloody murder when Bullocks dropped two perfect onside kicks earlier this year. As a DB he should never have been on the HANDS team. Colston would have caught both of those balls.

DeadmaN · 12-19-2007, 04:13 PM

First I would like to thank everyone for there input as I will pass it along to him

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

He was one on one with Craft who was in perfect position but just about 3 inches shorter than he needed to be to deflect the pass.

oops yeah now that I think about it he did say Jason Craft not Jason David
thanks for the correction

Originally Posted by stockman311

Secondly, using Colston on both sides would detract from his playmaking abilities on both sides. Even Deion Sanders, arguably the best pure athlete to ever play the game only played both sides of the ball occasionally. It*s just too tiring to play the entire game at peak efficiency.

ok but I think what he was saying was not for Colston to play all the time but on a key play like that and I may be wrong in my analysis of this but I would think he wouldn*t need to know routs and zones considering that it is a short yardage situation and as far as I can tell the best thing to do in that situation would be to simply smother the guy so he can*t take a breath and simply wait for the ball...
Right?

Euphoria · 12-19-2007, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

There is no such rule. Also you don't have to notify the refs.

The reason you don't put Colston on the field to play defense is two fold.

First and foremost WR and CB are entirely different positions that require entirely different skill sets. DB's are constantly backpeddling and breaking to the ball as opposed to WR who are used to running in only one direction. Also, DB's need to know defensive scheme and the tendencies of the WR's they are going against. They need to know if a guy cuts routes short or acts differently at the line when the play is called for him. They need to know how to play in a zone where they pass receivers off to safeties and pickup other players as they come into their zone. This is not an easy task to learn.

Secondly, using Colston on both sides would detract from his playmaking abilities on both sides. Even Deion Sanders, arguably the best pure athlete to ever play the game only played both sides of the ball occasionally. It's just too tiring to play the entire game at peak efficiency.

You will see WR's in the game in end of the game scenarios such as Hail Mary's and the like because WR's have better hands than DB's in theory. This is the main reason everyone was screaming bloody murder when Bullocks dropped two perfect onside kicks earlier this year. As a DB he should never have been on the HANDS team. Colston would have caught both of those balls.

Props... very good response.

12-19-2007, 11:06 AM	#1
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,082 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Defense question The Bucs were in a bunch formation on the goal line. TE Jerramy Stevens was on the end and motioned to the outside at the last second before the snap. He was one on one with Craft who was in perfect position but just about 3 inches shorter than he needed to be to deflect the pass. New Orleans had no timeouts and couldn't change personnel. Then we fumbled and game over. I don't know the rules of using an O player for D, but I'm sure if that person is listed as such, then yes.

12-19-2007, 11:21 AM	#2
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Defense question There is no such rule. Also you don't have to notify the refs. The reason you don't put Colston on the field to play defense is two fold. First and foremost WR and CB are entirely different positions that require entirely different skill sets. DB's are constantly backpeddling and breaking to the ball as opposed to WR who are used to running in only one direction. Also, DB's need to know defensive scheme and the tendencies of the WR's they are going against. They need to know if a guy cuts routes short or acts differently at the line when the play is called for him. They need to know how to play in a zone where they pass receivers off to safeties and pickup other players as they come into their zone. This is not an easy task to learn. Secondly, using Colston on both sides would detract from his playmaking abilities on both sides. Even Deion Sanders, arguably the best pure athlete to ever play the game only played both sides of the ball occasionally. It's just too tiring to play the entire game at peak efficiency. You will see WR's in the game in end of the game scenarios such as Hail Mary's and the like because WR's have better hands than DB's in theory. This is the main reason everyone was screaming bloody murder when Bullocks dropped two perfect onside kicks earlier this year. As a DB he should never have been on the HANDS team. Colston would have caught both of those balls.

12-19-2007, 04:13 PM	#3
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Defense question First I would like to thank everyone for there input as I will pass it along to him Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 He was one on one with Craft who was in perfect position but just about 3 inches shorter than he needed to be to deflect the pass. oops yeah now that I think about it he did say Jason Craft not Jason David thanks for the correction Originally Posted by stockman311 Secondly, using Colston on both sides would detract from his playmaking abilities on both sides. Even Deion Sanders, arguably the best pure athlete to ever play the game only played both sides of the ball occasionally. Its just too tiring to play the entire game at peak efficiency. ok but I think what he was saying was not for Colston to play all the time but on a key play like that and I may be wrong in my analysis of this but I would think he wouldnt need to know routs and zones considering that it is a short yardage situation and as far as I can tell the best thing to do in that situation would be to simply smother the guy so he can*t take a breath and simply wait for the ball... Right?
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12-19-2007, 09:55 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Defense question Originally Posted by stockman311 There is no such rule. Also you don't have to notify the refs. The reason you don't put Colston on the field to play defense is two fold. First and foremost WR and CB are entirely different positions that require entirely different skill sets. DB's are constantly backpeddling and breaking to the ball as opposed to WR who are used to running in only one direction. Also, DB's need to know defensive scheme and the tendencies of the WR's they are going against. They need to know if a guy cuts routes short or acts differently at the line when the play is called for him. They need to know how to play in a zone where they pass receivers off to safeties and pickup other players as they come into their zone. This is not an easy task to learn. Secondly, using Colston on both sides would detract from his playmaking abilities on both sides. Even Deion Sanders, arguably the best pure athlete to ever play the game only played both sides of the ball occasionally. It's just too tiring to play the entire game at peak efficiency. You will see WR's in the game in end of the game scenarios such as Hail Mary's and the like because WR's have better hands than DB's in theory. This is the main reason everyone was screaming bloody murder when Bullocks dropped two perfect onside kicks earlier this year. As a DB he should never have been on the HANDS team. Colston would have caught both of those balls. Props... very good response.