i just don't think payton is the answer....

Tobias-Reiper · 12-24-2007, 11:34 AM

Already running Payton out of town? Come on…

I think this offseason will show if Payton is really a head coach, and not just an OC in charge of the team. There are changes that need to be made on defense, both in personnel and even coaching, so we’ll see how good Payton does as a true HC.

As for the offense, there were some bad plays called at the wrong time, and some issues with blocking schemes; if you really look at it, is not that the opposing players knew what the Saints were doing, it is more like the blocking schemes left a lot to be desired. Couple of examples: we heard all the time how they wanted to give Bush the ball in space, but “in space” apparently meant without anyone around blocking for him; or the blitz, who the o-line was never able to hold. Drew’s presence in the pocket had more to do with the low sack count than the o-line’s blocking.

NEXTPROBOWLER · 12-24-2007, 11:58 AM

the only we we get to the play-offs next year............everyone healthy, new defensive cordinator, and a solid defensive draft, with atleast two key additions on defensive side of the ball in the off season......if we dont make moves this off season we will be stuck being a so-so team forever...........destined to go 7-9, 8-8,9-7 and back down to 6-10

TheDeuce · 12-24-2007, 05:37 PM

I believe that Payton can be the guy, but I do believe in the widespread sentiment on this board that he better damn well do something about this defense in the offseason.

UK_WhoDat · 12-24-2007, 07:43 PM

Well I dunno if Payton is the problem. But I do know the Saints has a problem.

On the minus side:
That defence is the worst. Any team can beat up on it. The starting personnel was not good enough from game 1. And no one has bothered to improve it. If anything, small fixes (like KK and possibly OY) were overlooked.

Playcalling. The screen. This play drives me nuts. It stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, almost worked, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks. And then the timing of "smart" plays were poor (Tampa Bay - reverse when the game was ours; Philly - going for it when there's almost a full half to go, blah, blah, bleat, bleat, blah, boo-hoo, deep weeping).

Draft. Why were the Saints exempt this year? We might as well have been. Good money on nothing.

Replacing injured players. Excuse me - when did Deuce go down for the season? Just what did we do? Absolutely nothing.

On the plus side:
Doing as well as we did despite all the minuses.

Happy bloody Christmas. Yep I am hurting ok?

Halo · 12-24-2007, 08:22 PM

I do think this coach is learning. I hate the excuse that the Saints were good last year because of the "Katrina Excitement" factor. Coach Peyton is young... very young. He motivated a defense that was sub par last year.

I also think for the great off season moves before 2006, we made some real crappy moves before 2007. I mean we have players we drafted that are not contributing and may never contribute.

I don't believe in the first year jinx. Next year will be pivotal for this team and coach. What happens this offseason will tell everyone what to expect this year. If we draft another WR in the first round you can forget about it. We have some major problems on defense and should concentrate our offseason on trading/drafting at least 1 major corner, some LB's that can cover the pass, and strengthening the d-line and o-line. If we draft skills positions like WR or another RB, everyone has a right to gripe.

BoudinSandwich · 12-24-2007, 08:37 PM

1 more thing... the reason for the PLAYACTION part of that post:

Anyone else find it bizarre that we run play action passes even though we didn't have 1-single running play in the previous two drives?

Euphoria · 12-24-2007, 09:52 PM

I don't know if he is learning or not yet. I am giving him a pass this year. I think whats going to make or break him is this offseason.

NEXTPROBOWLER · 12-24-2007, 09:53 PM

We couldn't get their offense off the field," said Payton, a lament the 2006 Coach of the Year has used, accurately, many times in 2007.

As the Eagles were running out the clock Sunday, a small portion of what was left of a crowd of 70,011, started to yell: "Defense, defense, defense."

It sounded like a message to Payton about 2008's No. 1 priority.

from nola.com

MatthewT · 12-24-2007, 10:10 PM

Sounds like Sean loves the run and shoot. Maybe the Saints should hire Warren Moon as a consultant. Hell, I love the run and shoot too, but unless Sean has figured out a formula that no one else has, it simply doesn't work anymore.

Euphoria · 12-24-2007, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Sounds like Sean loves the run and shoot. Maybe the Saints should hire Warren Moon as a consultant. Hell, I love the run and shoot too, but unless Sean has figured out a formula that no one else has, it simply doesn't work anymore.

There is more wrong with the Defense than there is with the offense. The offense isn't losing them games it the defense can't stop anyone when they need to.

12-24-2007, 11:34 AM	#1
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12-24-2007, 11:58 AM	#2
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12-24-2007, 05:37 PM	#3
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12-24-2007, 07:43 PM	#4
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,001	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... Well I dunno if Payton is the problem. But I do know the Saints has a problem. On the minus side: That defence is the worst. Any team can beat up on it. The starting personnel was not good enough from game 1. And no one has bothered to improve it. If anything, small fixes (like KK and possibly OY) were overlooked. Playcalling. The screen. This play drives me nuts. It stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, almost worked, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks, stinks. And then the timing of "smart" plays were poor (Tampa Bay - reverse when the game was ours; Philly - going for it when there's almost a full half to go, blah, blah, bleat, bleat, blah, boo-hoo, deep weeping). Draft. Why were the Saints exempt this year? We might as well have been. Good money on nothing. Replacing injured players. Excuse me - when did Deuce go down for the season? Just what did we do? Absolutely nothing. On the plus side: Doing as well as we did despite all the minuses. Happy bloody Christmas. Yep I am hurting ok?
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12-24-2007, 08:22 PM	#5
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12-24-2007, 08:37 PM	#6
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12-24-2007, 09:52 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... I don't know if he is learning or not yet. I am giving him a pass this year. I think whats going to make or break him is this offseason.

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12-24-2007, 10:10 PM	#9
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... Sounds like Sean loves the run and shoot. Maybe the Saints should hire Warren Moon as a consultant. Hell, I love the run and shoot too, but unless Sean has figured out a formula that no one else has, it simply doesn't work anymore.

12-24-2007, 10:40 PM	#10
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: i just don't think payton is the answer.... Originally Posted by MatthewT Sounds like Sean loves the run and shoot. Maybe the Saints should hire Warren Moon as a consultant. Hell, I love the run and shoot too, but unless Sean has figured out a formula that no one else has, it simply doesn't work anymore. There is more wrong with the Defense than there is with the offense. The offense isn't losing them games it the defense can't stop anyone when they need to.