Exhibit A: Meachem; Exhibit B:David

LordOfEntropy · 12-28-2007, 08:26 AM

Well, I think the subject of this post is valid discussion, though I know some of you disagree. I don't think it's just griping.

But back to the topic, it's not the the talent evaluation that's bummed me out recently. I know that's a crapshoot. Anyone can flop from the draft, no one's perfect at evaluation. But rather, it's been the positions being targeted, in the order they're being targeted.

Bottom line, I don't care whether Meachem can play or not - he was the wrong position to pick at #1. It was a poor choice. I can't understand how management justifies WR when we're so desperate for talent on the defense.

Over the last few years, we have not targeted CB, S, or LB in the first round. And it's killing us, I think. I really think that's what's wrong with the team right now.

Haps Biggest Fan · 12-28-2007, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy

Well, I think the subject of this post is valid discussion, though I know some of you disagree. I don't think it's just griping.

But back to the topic, it's not the the talent evaluation that's bummed me out recently. I know that's a crapshoot. Anyone can flop from the draft, no one's perfect at evaluation. But rather, it's been the positions being targeted, in the order they're being targeted.

Bottom line, I don't care whether Meachem can play or not - he was the wrong position to pick at #1. It was a poor choice. I can't understand how management justifies WR when we're so desperate for talent on the defense.

Over the last few years, we have not targeted CB, S, or LB in the first round. And it's killing us, I think. I really think that's what's wrong with the team right now.

You have a great point here . . . you may be absolutely right.

WillMacKenzie · 12-28-2007, 04:45 PM

I present to you MY argument.

Coaching.

Coaching raw talent, and shaping them into competitive NFL players.

All the 40 yard dash times, shuttles, verticle leap, etc. etc. those are all just TOOLS - without a craftsman they're just junk lying around the shed.

I conject that we need to aim for bringing in a proven, big-name student and teacher of the game to coach up our defense. Singletary, Rex Ryan, Jim Johnson, somewhere along those lines, they can coach up any talent.

Eagles, Colts, Patriots, Steelers, Tampa Bay, Dallas, Bears, Seahawks, Chargers, Broncos, Ravens, all these teams usually have GOOD defenses year in and year out even with the player turnover they get.

So I ask again, talent vs. coaching?

Haps Biggest Fan · 12-28-2007, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

I present to you MY argument.

Coaching.

Coaching raw talent, and shaping them into competitive NFL players.

All the 40 yard dash times, shuttles, verticle leap, etc. etc. those are all just TOOLS - without a craftsman they're just junk lying around the shed.

I conject that we need to aim for bringing in a proven, big-name student and teacher of the game to coach up our defense. Singletary, Rex Ryan, Jim Johnson, somewhere along those lines, they can coach up any talent.

Eagles, Colts, Patriots, Steelers, Tampa Bay, Dallas, Bears, Seahawks, Chargers, Broncos, Ravens, all these teams usually have GOOD defenses year in and year out even with the player turnover they get.

So I ask again, talent vs. coaching?

I like our head football coach. I have no opinion on the OC and DC.

12-28-2007, 08:26 AM	#1
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Exhibit A: Meachem; Exhibit B:David Well, I think the subject of this post is valid discussion, though I know some of you disagree. I don't think it's just griping. But back to the topic, it's not the the talent evaluation that's bummed me out recently. I know that's a crapshoot. Anyone can flop from the draft, no one's perfect at evaluation. But rather, it's been the positions being targeted, in the order they're being targeted. Bottom line, I don't care whether Meachem can play or not - he was the wrong position to pick at #1. It was a poor choice. I can't understand how management justifies WR when we're so desperate for talent on the defense. Over the last few years, we have not targeted CB, S, or LB in the first round. And it's killing us, I think. I really think that's what's wrong with the team right now.
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12-28-2007, 04:01 PM	#2
Haps Biggest Fan Fan Since 1967 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 148	Re: Exhibit A: Meachem; Exhibit B:David Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy Well, I think the subject of this post is valid discussion, though I know some of you disagree. I don't think it's just griping. But back to the topic, it's not the the talent evaluation that's bummed me out recently. I know that's a crapshoot. Anyone can flop from the draft, no one's perfect at evaluation. But rather, it's been the positions being targeted, in the order they're being targeted. Bottom line, I don't care whether Meachem can play or not - he was the wrong position to pick at #1. It was a poor choice. I can't understand how management justifies WR when we're so desperate for talent on the defense. Over the last few years, we have not targeted CB, S, or LB in the first round. And it's killing us, I think. I really think that's what's wrong with the team right now. You have a great point here . . . you may be absolutely right.

12-28-2007, 04:45 PM	#3
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Exhibit A: Meachem; Exhibit B:David I present to you MY argument. Coaching. Coaching raw talent, and shaping them into competitive NFL players. All the 40 yard dash times, shuttles, verticle leap, etc. etc. those are all just TOOLS - without a craftsman they're just junk lying around the shed. I conject that we need to aim for bringing in a proven, big-name student and teacher of the game to coach up our defense. Singletary, Rex Ryan, Jim Johnson, somewhere along those lines, they can coach up any talent. Eagles, Colts, Patriots, Steelers, Tampa Bay, Dallas, Bears, Seahawks, Chargers, Broncos, Ravens, all these teams usually have GOOD defenses year in and year out even with the player turnover they get. So I ask again, talent vs. coaching?

12-28-2007, 09:07 PM	#4
Haps Biggest Fan Fan Since 1967 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 148	Re: Exhibit A: Meachem; Exhibit B:David Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie I present to you MY argument. Coaching. Coaching raw talent, and shaping them into competitive NFL players. All the 40 yard dash times, shuttles, verticle leap, etc. etc. those are all just TOOLS - without a craftsman they're just junk lying around the shed. I conject that we need to aim for bringing in a proven, big-name student and teacher of the game to coach up our defense. Singletary, Rex Ryan, Jim Johnson, somewhere along those lines, they can coach up any talent. Eagles, Colts, Patriots, Steelers, Tampa Bay, Dallas, Bears, Seahawks, Chargers, Broncos, Ravens, all these teams usually have GOOD defenses year in and year out even with the player turnover they get. So I ask again, talent vs. coaching? I like our head football coach. I have no opinion on the OC and DC.