Looking for a new head coach?

papz · 01-02-2008, 04:06 PM

He's done wonders to the 3-13 team he inherited. Let's not jump the gun on him so fast. And like Euphoria said, whether you like it or not, he's going to be here next season... and probably the year after that barring a disastrous season. I hope your views of him will change with a strong group of free agent signings and a solid draft. I truly feel Payton is the right man for the job.

WhoDat205 · 01-02-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by abutler

What head coach has ever walked into a club and turned it around in the first year? I would say that maybe they can turn it around within one year, but you wouldn't see the results for 2-4 years. Sean Payton walked into NO with all the talent there. Why don't the players get the credit for getting deep in the playoffs last year? Why does the rookie head coach deserve it? So now that we know what our team is capable of we let Sean screw it up? That's b.s. Sean is an incredible offensive coordinator, not a head coach. We can all be mad about it or deny it. The truth always reveals itself. I'm sad for the organization because I believe the truth was revealed at the end of our playoff run and this entire season. WATCH THE LOSSES! The truth is always there, but we usually see what we want or hope. I hope Benson isn't as hopeful or blind as 99% of Saint fans. Maybe our optimism is what has been keeping us out of the Super Bowl for our entire lives!

Brees, Bush, Colston, Evans, Harper, Fuji, etc...

WhoDat205 · 01-02-2008, 04:38 PM

I'm sorry, but this is a terrible thread. You guys sound like a bunch of Alabama fans clamouring for the Bear. Fire a coach that has a losing record? That's almost half the coaches in the league. I want the Saints to win as much as the next guy, but some of you are acting like we piss superbowls in New Orleans.

Do you think Lombardies, Ladrys and Parcellses grow on trees? Sure coach has made some bone-head moves. He's terrible with TOs and the red flag, but it's not like he can't improve. He's 18-16 as the head coach of the Saints and joins Mora as the only other coach in Saints history with a winning record.

papz · 01-02-2008, 04:49 PM

He's 18-16 as the head coach of the Saints and joins Mora as the only other coach in Saints history with a winning record.

That's so sad that it made me laugh.

BooBirdSaint · 01-02-2008, 05:49 PM

I'm not sure what planet this is b/c I thought I saw where papz sided with Eup... Twice in the same thread!!!

Strange bedfellows fo sure.

papz · 01-02-2008, 07:02 PM

LOL... I was shocked myself.

WhoDatQB · 01-02-2008, 08:59 PM

Belichick, Dungy these coaches do not grow on trees. Remember that the Steelers didn't can Cowher, and he didn't set the world on fire, but built a consistent winner that won a Superbowl.

Would I want a Belichick or Dungy? Your damn right I would, who wouldn't? However Dungy was largely considered a failure before he went to Indy. The Bucs went to the playoffs numerous times, but it took time. Do I want Sean Peyton to morph into Lombardi right this instant? Yes, but that isn't realistic, Belichick wasn't even that great to start off with it took time.

In a way we are a victim of our own success in that we want a SB now, even though right this minute we are a team with average talent. Yes we are average talent wise. When healthy we have maybe 4 or 5 players on Defense that would start for more than half of the teams in the league. When healthy on offense we have maybe 6 players that would start for more than half the other teams in the league, and one that would start for almost all the teams but two.

Our team talent has improved since Peyton showed up, and hopefully it will continue to do so as we need a team built through the draft to stay competitive for years to come.

abutler · 01-03-2008, 10:08 PM

Is everybody in the NFC laughing at our predicament? An offensive coordinator is poised to rebuild the Saint defense! Here we go for the 2nd time! Didn't our defense go backwards from last year. Wasn't that the part of the team we were building so we could make it to the Superbowl? Do we need more proof that defense, which is what we desperately need, is not in the area of Sean Payton's expertise? Our only realistic aspiration under Sean Payton is to get into the playoffs. Our team, our fans, our city, deserves to aspire for more.
We tasted a real opportunity not too long ago. It should have made us all even more hungry!
We need a more seasoned HC. Especially now!

MatthewT · 01-03-2008, 11:09 PM

OK, I am now curious. For argument sakes, lets say that Payton is fired, demoted, or whatever. If you were given the position of authority with the New Orleans Saints, who do you name as your head coach? And no, you cannot hire a head coach that is currently employed by an NFL team.

saintsfan1976 · 01-03-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by abutler

Is everybody in the NFC laughing at our predicament? An offensive coordinator is poised to rebuild the Saint defense! Here we go for the 2nd time! Didn't our defense go backwards from last year. Wasn't that the part of the team we were building so we could make it to the Superbowl? Do we need more proof that defense, which is what we desperately need, is not in the area of Sean Payton's expertise? Our only realistic aspiration under Sean Payton is to get into the playoffs. Our team, our fans, our city, deserves to aspire for more.
We tasted a real opportunity not too long ago. It should have made us all even more hungry!
We need a more seasoned HC. Especially now!

Easy there, tiger. Patience grasshopper. Whoooooa trigger. (all apply here)

01-02-2008, 04:06 PM	#51
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,740	Re: Looking for a new head coach? He's done wonders to the 3-13 team he inherited. Let's not jump the gun on him so fast. And like Euphoria said, whether you like it or not, he's going to be here next season... and probably the year after that barring a disastrous season. I hope your views of him will change with a strong group of free agent signings and a solid draft. I truly feel Payton is the right man for the job.

01-02-2008, 04:17 PM	#52
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Looking for a new head coach? Originally Posted by abutler What head coach has ever walked into a club and turned it around in the first year? I would say that maybe they can turn it around within one year, but you wouldn't see the results for 2-4 years. Sean Payton walked into NO with all the talent there. Why don't the players get the credit for getting deep in the playoffs last year? Why does the rookie head coach deserve it? So now that we know what our team is capable of we let Sean screw it up? That's b.s. Sean is an incredible offensive coordinator, not a head coach. We can all be mad about it or deny it. The truth always reveals itself. I'm sad for the organization because I believe the truth was revealed at the end of our playoff run and this entire season. WATCH THE LOSSES! The truth is always there, but we usually see what we want or hope. I hope Benson isn't as hopeful or blind as 99% of Saint fans. Maybe our optimism is what has been keeping us out of the Super Bowl for our entire lives! Brees, Bush, Colston, Evans, Harper, Fuji, etc...

01-02-2008, 04:38 PM	#53
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Looking for a new head coach? I'm sorry, but this is a terrible thread. You guys sound like a bunch of Alabama fans clamouring for the Bear. Fire a coach that has a losing record? That's almost half the coaches in the league. I want the Saints to win as much as the next guy, but some of you are acting like we piss superbowls in New Orleans. Do you think Lombardies, Ladrys and Parcellses grow on trees? Sure coach has made some bone-head moves. He's terrible with TOs and the red flag, but it's not like he can't improve. He's 18-16 as the head coach of the Saints and joins Mora as the only other coach in Saints history with a winning record.
	"defence's personal to allwats double team or watch is over, that one reason why the saints or not any good." - Vador101

01-02-2008, 04:49 PM	#54
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,740	Re: Looking for a new head coach? He's 18-16 as the head coach of the Saints and joins Mora as the only other coach in Saints history with a winning record. That's so sad that it made me laugh.

01-02-2008, 05:49 PM	#55
BooBirdSaint 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 273	Re: Looking for a new head coach? I'm not sure what planet this is b/c I thought I saw where papz sided with Eup... Twice in the same thread!!! Strange bedfellows fo sure.

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01-02-2008, 07:02 PM	#56
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,740	Re: Looking for a new head coach? LOL... I was shocked myself.

01-02-2008, 08:59 PM	#57
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Looking for a new head coach? Belichick, Dungy these coaches do not grow on trees. Remember that the Steelers didn't can Cowher, and he didn't set the world on fire, but built a consistent winner that won a Superbowl. Would I want a Belichick or Dungy? Your damn right I would, who wouldn't? However Dungy was largely considered a failure before he went to Indy. The Bucs went to the playoffs numerous times, but it took time. Do I want Sean Peyton to morph into Lombardi right this instant? Yes, but that isn't realistic, Belichick wasn't even that great to start off with it took time. In a way we are a victim of our own success in that we want a SB now, even though right this minute we are a team with average talent. Yes we are average talent wise. When healthy we have maybe 4 or 5 players on Defense that would start for more than half of the teams in the league. When healthy on offense we have maybe 6 players that would start for more than half the other teams in the league, and one that would start for almost all the teams but two. Our team talent has improved since Peyton showed up, and hopefully it will continue to do so as we need a team built through the draft to stay competitive for years to come.

01-03-2008, 10:08 PM	#58
abutler since 86 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Long Beach MS Posts: 23 Blog Entries: 2	Offensive Coordinator to rebuild Saint's defense Is everybody in the NFC laughing at our predicament? An offensive coordinator is poised to rebuild the Saint defense! Here we go for the 2nd time! Didn't our defense go backwards from last year. Wasn't that the part of the team we were building so we could make it to the Superbowl? Do we need more proof that defense, which is what we desperately need, is not in the area of Sean Payton's expertise? Our only realistic aspiration under Sean Payton is to get into the playoffs. Our team, our fans, our city, deserves to aspire for more. We tasted a real opportunity not too long ago. It should have made us all even more hungry! We need a more seasoned HC. Especially now!

01-03-2008, 11:09 PM	#59
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Offensive Coordinator to rebuild Saint's defense OK, I am now curious. For argument sakes, lets say that Payton is fired, demoted, or whatever. If you were given the position of authority with the New Orleans Saints, who do you name as your head coach? And no, you cannot hire a head coach that is currently employed by an NFL team.

01-03-2008, 11:33 PM	#60
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,818 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Offensive Coordinator to rebuild Saint's defense Originally Posted by abutler Is everybody in the NFC laughing at our predicament? An offensive coordinator is poised to rebuild the Saint defense! Here we go for the 2nd time! Didn't our defense go backwards from last year. Wasn't that the part of the team we were building so we could make it to the Superbowl? Do we need more proof that defense, which is what we desperately need, is not in the area of Sean Payton's expertise? Our only realistic aspiration under Sean Payton is to get into the playoffs. Our team, our fans, our city, deserves to aspire for more. We tasted a real opportunity not too long ago. It should have made us all even more hungry! We need a more seasoned HC. Especially now! Easy there, tiger. Patience grasshopper. Whoooooa trigger. (all apply here)