Let us talk the top 10 Sr. CB in draft

Tobias-Reiper · 01-07-2008, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by tapout

i think McKelvin could be a steal in the second round, if he is there. i think he might fly up draft boards. and give Usama Young some time. he was good on special teams and cbs don't exactly adjust swiftly to the next level, no matter what level they played at in college.

When the write-up starts with "lacks ideal size", just say no.

LordOfEntropy · 01-07-2008, 04:37 PM

Ideal size - I've got to agree with that. No more 5'8" corners, please. 6' is the minimum. Am I crazy for saying that? I don't believe so.

tapout · 01-07-2008, 06:22 PM

ok, but then there is always:
Asante Samuel 5'10
Marcus Trufant 5'11
Deangelo Hall 5'10
Ronde Barber 5'10
Terrence Newman 5'11
Ty Law 5'11
Antoine Winfield 5'9

and so on

tapout · 01-07-2008, 06:31 PM

18. Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy (5-10½, 185) | Previous: 16
Not only a very good cover man with superior recovery ability (runs in the 4.38 range) and the aggressiveness to get the job done in run support, McKelvin has made a name for himself as the top return man in the entire nation. He's also stood out this season in games against the likes of Arkansas, Florida, Oklahoma State and Georgia. With his speed and versatility, McKelvin will bring a great deal of value to a football team.

courtesy of Mel's Big Board

CheramieIII · 01-07-2008, 07:35 PM

3rd Round
Darnell Terrell, Missouri
Height: 6-3. Weight: 205.
40 Time: 4.39.
Projected Round: 3-4.
One of the tallest corners in this class, Darnell Terrell's speed at his size is pretty remarkable.

7th Round
Terrell Vinson, Purdue
Height: 5-9. Weight: 183.
40 Time: 4.43.
Projected Round: 7.
His five interceptions and two pick-sixes will get him drafted. His 40 will get him noticed - and possibly placed into a better round.

I bet you we could get both

saintspassion · 02-07-2008, 04:30 AM

Malcom Jenkins will be good in NFL...built kinda like mckenzie....but Mckelvin is one of those CBs who will dive at balls to attack them rather than lunge....he played well in allstar game and will get a hand on the ball if he is in the area....he could also fit in the saints well...but i would like to see a CB that is physical and big enough to hit someone

hagan714 · 02-07-2008, 06:28 AM

Young got his on the job training last year. Thats what you have to do with small school guys. Actually he is ahead of the curve. He got on the field. Next year we will see alot more of the small school guys draft in 2007.
I do not mind small school guys at all. If they in the long run are better players than the BCS kids I am all for it. Gotta think long term! Not just one year at a time. Gotta leave the AA mentality behind. This is football.

SapperSaint · 02-07-2008, 08:28 AM

As most know I am not the first person to say draft a "small school" guy...

However, Rogers-Cromartie, is the guy I really like. Just from what I have seen of the kid, he has "Playmaker" skills. I just can't agree with the assessment that he will have difficulty in the NFL. If I was on the draft committee, he would be my #2 pick. I just don't see him lasting to the 3rd.

papz · 02-07-2008, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

As most know I am not the first person to say draft a "small school" guy...

However, Rogers-Cromartie, is the guy I really like. Just from what I have seen of the kid, he has "Playmaker" skills. I just can't agree with the assessment that he will have difficulty in the NFL. If I was on the draft committee, he would be my #2 pick. I just don't see him lasting to the 3rd.

I would love to have him with our second round pick. His cover skills looked outstanding during Senior Bowl week and he brought it to the game also... great prospect. Todd McShay's new mock has him going late in the first round to the Cowboys. The latest he will go will be mid second.

papz · 02-07-2008, 10:09 AM

1. This is a very deep class of junior and senior receivers.

2. One of the more respected draft analyst thinks Cromartie will go in the first round and you think he's a 3rd or 4th rounder?

3. Cromartie played against the top senior quarterbacks and WR's at the Senior Bowl.

4. Though his name helps him stand out, if you watched him play you'd realize it's more than just the name. He has legit cover skills, acceleration, and outstanding recovery speed.

5. I'm tired of hearing we should be skeptical of some of these small school kids because of their level of competition. Some of those kids are as good as if not better then some of these division 1A guys. If you have talent, you have talent... that's why teams scout and evaluate players. Rashean Mathis one of the best corners in the league came from a small school.

Does anyone know our "draft formula"? If so, please share.

30. Green Bay Packers -- Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tenn. St.
Record: 13-3 | Needs: CB, OT, S, TE, PT
Previous mock selection: Fred Davis, TE, USC
Packers QB Brett Favre certainly would welcome the addition of a tight end like Davis, who can stretch the seam and generate yards after the catch. However, the team has a more pressing need in the defensive secondary, and Rodgers-Cromartie is one of the fastest-rising prospects in the 2008 class right now. The small-school product proved capable of playing with the big boys at the Senior Bowl, where he demonstrated outstanding versatility and athleticism playing both free safety and cornerback throughout the week.

McShay's mock position of Cromartie. I'll continue to post as other evaluators give their updated opinion on him.

I'd also like to say I'm willing to bet Wheatley goes at least a full round and a half after Cromartie is picked.

01-07-2008, 04:33 PM	#11
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Let us talk the top 10 Sr. CB in draft Originally Posted by tapout i think McKelvin could be a steal in the second round, if he is there. i think he might fly up draft boards. and give Usama Young some time. he was good on special teams and cbs don't exactly adjust swiftly to the next level, no matter what level they played at in college. When the write-up starts with "lacks ideal size", just say no.

01-07-2008, 04:37 PM	#12
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Let us talk the top 10 Sr. CB in draft Ideal size - I've got to agree with that. No more 5'8" corners, please. 6' is the minimum. Am I crazy for saying that? I don't believe so.

01-07-2008, 06:22 PM	#13
tapout Rookie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 29	Re: Let us talk the top 10 Sr. CB in draft ok, but then there is always: Asante Samuel 5'10 Marcus Trufant 5'11 Deangelo Hall 5'10 Ronde Barber 5'10 Terrence Newman 5'11 Ty Law 5'11 Antoine Winfield 5'9 and so on
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01-07-2008, 06:31 PM	#14
tapout Rookie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 29	Re: Let us talk the top 10 Sr. CB in draft 18. Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy (5-10½, 185) \| Previous: 16 Not only a very good cover man with superior recovery ability (runs in the 4.38 range) and the aggressiveness to get the job done in run support, McKelvin has made a name for himself as the top return man in the entire nation. He's also stood out this season in games against the likes of Arkansas, Florida, Oklahoma State and Georgia. With his speed and versatility, McKelvin will bring a great deal of value to a football team. courtesy of Mel's Big Board
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01-07-2008, 07:35 PM	#15
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Let us talk the top 10 Sr. CB in draft 3rd Round Darnell Terrell, Missouri Height: 6-3. Weight: 205. 40 Time: 4.39. Projected Round: 3-4. One of the tallest corners in this class, Darnell Terrell's speed at his size is pretty remarkable. 7th Round Terrell Vinson, Purdue Height: 5-9. Weight: 183. 40 Time: 4.43. Projected Round: 7. His five interceptions and two pick-sixes will get him drafted. His 40 will get him noticed - and possibly placed into a better round. I bet you we could get both
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02-07-2008, 04:30 AM	#16
saintspassion Rookie Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 20	Re: Let us talk the top 10 Sr. CB in draft Malcom Jenkins will be good in NFL...built kinda like mckenzie....but Mckelvin is one of those CBs who will dive at balls to attack them rather than lunge....he played well in allstar game and will get a hand on the ball if he is in the area....he could also fit in the saints well...but i would like to see a CB that is physical and big enough to hit someone
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02-07-2008, 06:28 AM	#17
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Let us talk the top 10 Sr. CB in draft Young got his on the job training last year. Thats what you have to do with small school guys. Actually he is ahead of the curve. He got on the field. Next year we will see alot more of the small school guys draft in 2007. I do not mind small school guys at all. If they in the long run are better players than the BCS kids I am all for it. Gotta think long term! Not just one year at a time. Gotta leave the AA mentality behind. This is football.
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02-07-2008, 08:28 AM	#18
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Let us talk the top 10 Sr. CB in draft As most know I am not the first person to say draft a "small school" guy... However, Rogers-Cromartie, is the guy I really like. Just from what I have seen of the kid, he has "Playmaker" skills. I just can't agree with the assessment that he will have difficulty in the NFL. If I was on the draft committee, he would be my #2 pick. I just don't see him lasting to the 3rd.

02-07-2008, 09:27 AM	#19
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Re: Let us talk the top 10 Sr. CB in draft Originally Posted by SapperSaint As most know I am not the first person to say draft a "small school" guy... However, Rogers-Cromartie, is the guy I really like. Just from what I have seen of the kid, he has "Playmaker" skills. I just can't agree with the assessment that he will have difficulty in the NFL. If I was on the draft committee, he would be my #2 pick. I just don't see him lasting to the 3rd. I would love to have him with our second round pick. His cover skills looked outstanding during Senior Bowl week and he brought it to the game also... great prospect. Todd McShay's new mock has him going late in the first round to the Cowboys. The latest he will go will be mid second.

02-07-2008, 10:09 AM	#20
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Re: Let us talk the top 10 Sr. CB in draft 1. This is a very deep class of junior and senior receivers. 2. One of the more respected draft analyst thinks Cromartie will go in the first round and you think he's a 3rd or 4th rounder? 3. Cromartie played against the top senior quarterbacks and WR's at the Senior Bowl. 4. Though his name helps him stand out, if you watched him play you'd realize it's more than just the name. He has legit cover skills, acceleration, and outstanding recovery speed. 5. I'm tired of hearing we should be skeptical of some of these small school kids because of their level of competition. Some of those kids are as good as if not better then some of these division 1A guys. If you have talent, you have talent... that's why teams scout and evaluate players. Rashean Mathis one of the best corners in the league came from a small school. Does anyone know our "draft formula"? If so, please share. 30. Green Bay Packers -- Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tenn. St. Record: 13-3 \| Needs: CB, OT, S, TE, PT Previous mock selection: Fred Davis, TE, USC Packers QB Brett Favre certainly would welcome the addition of a tight end like Davis, who can stretch the seam and generate yards after the catch. However, the team has a more pressing need in the defensive secondary, and Rodgers-Cromartie is one of the fastest-rising prospects in the 2008 class right now. The small-school product proved capable of playing with the big boys at the Senior Bowl, where he demonstrated outstanding versatility and athleticism playing both free safety and cornerback throughout the week. McShay's mock position of Cromartie. I'll continue to post as other evaluators give their updated opinion on him. I'd also like to say I'm willing to bet Wheatley goes at least a full round and a half after Cromartie is picked.
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