Deep Draft

WVSaint · 01-09-2008, 08:35 AM

Everyone seems to be thinking LB and CB with our 1st rounder but with more and more juniors announcing they are going into the draft, it seems to me that this will be a pretty deep draft for CBs and LBs. Looking over our options do you think it might be wise to go with sedrick ellis (if hes available) and get a good DT first and then try and fill in our CB and LB woes with our later picks?

FireVenturi · 01-09-2008, 10:07 AM

that would be ok....lb's and cb's are deep this year

hagan714 · 01-09-2008, 06:50 PM

Sorry I am not sold on Ellis at the pro level as a number 10. I like the ones in the second and top of the third more. At 10 you are paying for a player to make an impact. He will not be a good return on the $$$. IMO

WVSaint · 01-09-2008, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Sorry I am not sold on Ellis at the pro level as a number 10. I like the ones in the second and top of the third more. At 10 you are paying for a player to make an impact. He will not be a good return on the $$$. IMO

Just out of curiosity hagan what is it you dont like about him? I dont watch usc and I dont know much about him and all I know is that some have him ranked above dorsey. I've read that hes had some health issues but the same can be said about dorseys knee. Is there something in particular you dont like that youve seen in him?

hagan714 · 01-10-2008, 06:42 AM

He reminds me of Dewayne Robertson the #4 pick in the 2003 NFL draft. They both had the same type of draft write ups. While I would trade for Robertson and Vilma using our number one, I would want the jets to kick in their number 2 and at least swap positions in the third to make it all work out.
He is going to be good but I think he may turn out to be about the fourth best DT in the draft when they look back at this draft. He is quick but he is not that quick. Most the NFL linemen line men can handle his quickness and offensive coaches can adjust the blocking to get any help they need. One additional chip block from another lineman will nullify his speed.
His appears not be an over powering bull rush to make up for it at the pro level. He is just to small. I am waiting for his measurements. There is no way he is 6-2 like USC has him listed at. I have problems believing he is a true 6-1 either after watching him play either. But I could be wrong. If he does not measure up (a true 6-1) I say he is a good pick at 15. If not try lower half of the first round.
He will be a NFL player that made it up the draft board because of the college he played for and conference they played in. Name the number of day one picks on an OL he played against. Short list if any. Nothing like Glenn. Heck Glenn had trouble against some great OLs in the SEC that have been day one picks. Even this year he had problems against the better OL lines he faced. But that is expected.
Sorry I am not sold on him. It is early yet so lets see what happen. He gotta have a great work out numbers to change my mind. Thats a lot of money for a DT. I am really starting to like Dre Moore from Maryland more and more each day. If he can be had in the second he would be a better investment. But if the work outs are as good as I think they will be he might go in the bottom of the first. That will strictly due to the college he played for. Thats how it works unfortunately.
Lets see what the combine and the pro days bring. Bring on the tape. Those who know me know I am not a big fan of combine and workout hype. But in his case I need to know how tall he really is, speed in the first 5 and ten yards of the 40, bench and squat numbers. They better be of the chart for the $$$$ of a 10th pick in the draft NFL, if he measures out at just over 6-0. He will be a very good DT in the NFL but just not a #10 pick.
Besides it would do us better to trade back and get additional picks than to pick a DT here. We need a whole lot of young legs on defense. If the top 2 QB go (Atl. and Bal.) by the time we pick the phone will be ring to move up. I think Denver may bite and go after Ellis at 10, knowing we have defense on the mind. Just two spots. That puts us ahead of Carolina. Chicago might think the panthers want the #3 QB after the way things workout for the panthers at QB this year. So they may leap frog to get their QB. So we may just be sitting right at the right place at the right time to use Ellis to obtain a few more picks. If everything works out that way. That would serve the saints interests much better, in the long run, than picking Ellis with the #10 pick. IMO
Well lets see what the tape reads first.

WVSaint · 01-10-2008, 08:37 AM

Im with you when it comes to trading down, Id love to see us gain an extra second round pick. This is a deep draft for CBs and everyone seems to have us picking Jenkins at 10 and that idea doesnt sit well with me. I think we can fill another area of need with our first and still get a starting CB in the 2nd.

NarwhalHunter · 01-11-2008, 03:57 PM

This draft is going to be crazy strong (and gets better with every junior that declares) so I'd love for us to drop back and land some extra picks to help fill all the holes we have and add depth. The only guy I'd like to go after at #10 right now is Keith Rivers, and even then we could still probably drop back a bit and land him. I think Dre Moore might end up the best DT after Dorsey in this draft: a dude that big who can run a 4.8 is unbelievable. There's so many good corners who will be there in the 1st and 2nd round that we really can't go wrong with any of them.

01-09-2008, 10:07 AM	#2
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: Deep Draft that would be ok....lb's and cb's are deep this year

01-10-2008, 06:42 AM	#5
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Deep Draft He reminds me of Dewayne Robertson the #4 pick in the 2003 NFL draft. They both had the same type of draft write ups. While I would trade for Robertson and Vilma using our number one, I would want the jets to kick in their number 2 and at least swap positions in the third to make it all work out. He is going to be good but I think he may turn out to be about the fourth best DT in the draft when they look back at this draft. He is quick but he is not that quick. Most the NFL linemen line men can handle his quickness and offensive coaches can adjust the blocking to get any help they need. One additional chip block from another lineman will nullify his speed. His appears not be an over powering bull rush to make up for it at the pro level. He is just to small. I am waiting for his measurements. There is no way he is 6-2 like USC has him listed at. I have problems believing he is a true 6-1 either after watching him play either. But I could be wrong. If he does not measure up (a true 6-1) I say he is a good pick at 15. If not try lower half of the first round. He will be a NFL player that made it up the draft board because of the college he played for and conference they played in. Name the number of day one picks on an OL he played against. Short list if any. Nothing like Glenn. Heck Glenn had trouble against some great OLs in the SEC that have been day one picks. Even this year he had problems against the better OL lines he faced. But that is expected. Sorry I am not sold on him. It is early yet so lets see what happen. He gotta have a great work out numbers to change my mind. Thats a lot of money for a DT. I am really starting to like Dre Moore from Maryland more and more each day. If he can be had in the second he would be a better investment. But if the work outs are as good as I think they will be he might go in the bottom of the first. That will strictly due to the college he played for. Thats how it works unfortunately. Lets see what the combine and the pro days bring. Bring on the tape. Those who know me know I am not a big fan of combine and workout hype. But in his case I need to know how tall he really is, speed in the first 5 and ten yards of the 40, bench and squat numbers. They better be of the chart for the $$$$ of a 10th pick in the draft NFL, if he measures out at just over 6-0. He will be a very good DT in the NFL but just not a #10 pick. Besides it would do us better to trade back and get additional picks than to pick a DT here. We need a whole lot of young legs on defense. If the top 2 QB go (Atl. and Bal.) by the time we pick the phone will be ring to move up. I think Denver may bite and go after Ellis at 10, knowing we have defense on the mind. Just two spots. That puts us ahead of Carolina. Chicago might think the panthers want the #3 QB after the way things workout for the panthers at QB this year. So they may leap frog to get their QB. So we may just be sitting right at the right place at the right time to use Ellis to obtain a few more picks. If everything works out that way. That would serve the saints interests much better, in the long run, than picking Ellis with the #10 pick. IMO Well lets see what the tape reads first.
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01-10-2008, 08:37 AM	#6
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: Deep Draft Im with you when it comes to trading down, Id love to see us gain an extra second round pick. This is a deep draft for CBs and everyone seems to have us picking Jenkins at 10 and that idea doesnt sit well with me. I think we can fill another area of need with our first and still get a starting CB in the 2nd.

01-11-2008, 03:57 PM	#7
NarwhalHunter 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hattiesburger with Cheese Posts: 146 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Deep Draft This draft is going to be crazy strong (and gets better with every junior that declares) so I'd love for us to drop back and land some extra picks to help fill all the holes we have and add depth. The only guy I'd like to go after at #10 right now is Keith Rivers, and even then we could still probably drop back a bit and land him. I think Dre Moore might end up the best DT after Dorsey in this draft: a dude that big who can run a 4.8 is unbelievable. There's so many good corners who will be there in the 1st and 2nd round that we really can't go wrong with any of them.

01-09-2008, 08:35 AM	#1
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Deep Draft Everyone seems to be thinking LB and CB with our 1st rounder but with more and more juniors announcing they are going into the draft, it seems to me that this will be a pretty deep draft for CBs and LBs. Looking over our options do you think it might be wise to go with sedrick ellis (if hes available) and get a good DT first and then try and fill in our CB and LB woes with our later picks?

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01-09-2008, 06:50 PM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Deep Draft Sorry I am not sold on Ellis at the pro level as a number 10. I like the ones in the second and top of the third more. At 10 you are paying for a player to make an impact. He will not be a good return on the $$$. IMO

01-09-2008, 08:25 PM	#4
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: Deep Draft Originally Posted by hagan714 Sorry I am not sold on Ellis at the pro level as a number 10. I like the ones in the second and top of the third more. At 10 you are paying for a player to make an impact. He will not be a good return on the $$$. IMO Just out of curiosity hagan what is it you dont like about him? I dont watch usc and I dont know much about him and all I know is that some have him ranked above dorsey. I've read that hes had some health issues but the same can be said about dorseys knee. Is there something in particular you dont like that youve seen in him?