McFadden vs Thomas

Gridiron Guru · 01-15-2008, 09:39 PM

I think both guys are great. I couldn't understand why Pierre did't get a chance early to prove himself which he more than did his first time to get any significant playing time. Duece was looking very slow even before he hurt his knee, Regie can't play tailback full time with any success, & Aaron Stecker will never be any better than he was this year & that was just being a plugger.
As for Mc Fadden, doesn't anyone pay attention to a players career any more? Mc D. has been a premiere back in thye toughest conference in the country to run in for 3 straight years. It would take anyone a long time to think of the last premiere back to come out of the SEC & fail in the NFL. The man has all the tools to be one of the greatest backs in NFL history. While I understand the shortcomings of the Saints defense & their need to make massive improvements to compete for a Superbowl, they also were in desperate need of a running game to get the defense off the field, control the football & take pressure off Breez so he could be more successful. Should Mc Fadden fall to the Saints, you take him & be very greatful to the football Gods.

TheDeuce · 01-15-2008, 10:34 PM

I'm not sure that you take him, especially with Deuce and Reggie on schedule to be healthy by the start of training camp, but McFadden is definitely a player. He's been a difference maker for years.

hagan714 · 01-16-2008, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Gridiron Guru

I think both guys are great. I couldn't understand why Pierre did't get a chance early to prove himself which he more than did his first time to get any significant playing time.

Sean was wondering the same thing in Chicago. Well it cost a RB coach his job

SapperSaint · 01-16-2008, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Sean was wondering the same thing in Chicago. Well it cost a RB coach his job

So Sean fired the RB coach? I guess the house cleaning has begun.

Gridiron Guru · 01-16-2008, 12:58 PM

No offense Deuce, but it's time to turn the page. A big part of the previous problems for this team isn't that they won't spend money, it's how they spent it in the past, including last year. Overpaying for the worst defensive back in the NFL & paying big bucks for a back whose better days are far behind him are not parts of a recipe for a championship franchise. I am all for taking defense with our first 5 picks, but you get a chance to get Run DMC, you cut the strings to Duece & move on. BTW, am I the only one who noticed how a couple of DBs from LSU lived inside of defender's pockets in the NC game & playoffs. Think Zennon & chevis jackson aren't worth 4th & 5th round picks? LSU defenders may not do zone well, but there are no better at any level at man to man. Just check what Corey Webster did on big mouth in Dallas & Randall Gay didn't do to bad this year in New England either.

SapperSaint · 01-16-2008, 01:14 PM

Totally agree with you on the LSU DB's, Guru. I would love to see them picked up.

TheDeuce · 01-16-2008, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

Totally agree with you on the LSU DB's, Guru. I would love to see them picked up.

I would agree with that too, but I doubt Chevis Jackson is still around in the 4th round. I think he's being projected as a 2nd round guy.

And I would agree that maybe Deuce's time is past him, but I disagree that he has been over the hill for the last few seasons. He was a big reason for our success in 2006, and was the MVP of our playoff win against Philadelphia. I know I'm a bit of a Deuce homer, but I still have faith that he's going to come back and be the same guy he was before the knee injury.

dasaints26 · 01-16-2008, 11:02 PM

Preseason matters if you are trying to get a job on an nfl team and PThomas made the most of the opportunity. He runs the ball with a purpose get positive yards. Sure the numbers dont mean much since he didnt play alot but our longest run of the year was 26 yards PTs longest run of the year was 24 yards then they stopped counting since he was in the endzone. As a team we averaged 3.7 yards per carry and PT averaged 4.8 ypc. I think he will be on the team next year and I hope he plays before week 17.

bobad · 01-17-2008, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Please don't talk to me about how he's a playmaker because of what he did in the preseason. Preseason performances have absolutely no bearing on whether or not a player is going to be any good.

I'm talking to you about preseason. If preseason has nothing to do with anything, why do coaching staffs depend on it to build their teams and set depth charts?

Even if you were right, preseason can showcase a player's skill, talent, hands, coordination, balance, and general football smarts. According to you, when a RB drags 4 defensive players down the field in preseason, it doesn't mean he has power. I wish you would tell me what it does mean.

papz · 01-17-2008, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce
Please don't talk to me about how he's a playmaker because of what he did in the preseason. Preseason performances have absolutely no bearing on whether or not a player is going to be any good.

Tell that to Matt Schaub, David Garrard, and Matt Hasselbach.

01-15-2008, 09:39 PM	#21
Gridiron Guru Rookie Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 9	Re: McFadden vs Thomas I think both guys are great. I couldn't understand why Pierre did't get a chance early to prove himself which he more than did his first time to get any significant playing time. Duece was looking very slow even before he hurt his knee, Regie can't play tailback full time with any success, & Aaron Stecker will never be any better than he was this year & that was just being a plugger. As for Mc Fadden, doesn't anyone pay attention to a players career any more? Mc D. has been a premiere back in thye toughest conference in the country to run in for 3 straight years. It would take anyone a long time to think of the last premiere back to come out of the SEC & fail in the NFL. The man has all the tools to be one of the greatest backs in NFL history. While I understand the shortcomings of the Saints defense & their need to make massive improvements to compete for a Superbowl, they also were in desperate need of a running game to get the defense off the field, control the football & take pressure off Breez so he could be more successful. Should Mc Fadden fall to the Saints, you take him & be very greatful to the football Gods.
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01-15-2008, 10:34 PM	#22
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: McFadden vs Thomas I'm not sure that you take him, especially with Deuce and Reggie on schedule to be healthy by the start of training camp, but McFadden is definitely a player. He's been a difference maker for years.
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01-16-2008, 06:10 AM	#23
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: McFadden vs Thomas Originally Posted by Gridiron Guru I think both guys are great. I couldn't understand why Pierre did't get a chance early to prove himself which he more than did his first time to get any significant playing time. Sean was wondering the same thing in Chicago. Well it cost a RB coach his job

01-16-2008, 10:15 AM	#24
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: McFadden vs Thomas Originally Posted by hagan714 Sean was wondering the same thing in Chicago. Well it cost a RB coach his job So Sean fired the RB coach? I guess the house cleaning has begun.

01-16-2008, 12:58 PM	#25
Gridiron Guru Rookie Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 9	Re: McFadden vs Thomas No offense Deuce, but it's time to turn the page. A big part of the previous problems for this team isn't that they won't spend money, it's how they spent it in the past, including last year. Overpaying for the worst defensive back in the NFL & paying big bucks for a back whose better days are far behind him are not parts of a recipe for a championship franchise. I am all for taking defense with our first 5 picks, but you get a chance to get Run DMC, you cut the strings to Duece & move on. BTW, am I the only one who noticed how a couple of DBs from LSU lived inside of defender's pockets in the NC game & playoffs. Think Zennon & chevis jackson aren't worth 4th & 5th round picks? LSU defenders may not do zone well, but there are no better at any level at man to man. Just check what Corey Webster did on big mouth in Dallas & Randall Gay didn't do to bad this year in New England either.
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01-16-2008, 01:14 PM	#26
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: McFadden vs Thomas Totally agree with you on the LSU DB's, Guru. I would love to see them picked up.

01-16-2008, 09:02 PM	#27
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: McFadden vs Thomas Originally Posted by SapperSaint Totally agree with you on the LSU DB's, Guru. I would love to see them picked up. I would agree with that too, but I doubt Chevis Jackson is still around in the 4th round. I think he's being projected as a 2nd round guy. And I would agree that maybe Deuce's time is past him, but I disagree that he has been over the hill for the last few seasons. He was a big reason for our success in 2006, and was the MVP of our playoff win against Philadelphia. I know I'm a bit of a Deuce homer, but I still have faith that he's going to come back and be the same guy he was before the knee injury.
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01-16-2008, 11:02 PM	#28
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: McFadden vs Thomas Preseason matters if you are trying to get a job on an nfl team and PThomas made the most of the opportunity. He runs the ball with a purpose get positive yards. Sure the numbers dont mean much since he didnt play alot but our longest run of the year was 26 yards PTs longest run of the year was 24 yards then they stopped counting since he was in the endzone. As a team we averaged 3.7 yards per carry and PT averaged 4.8 ypc. I think he will be on the team next year and I hope he plays before week 17.
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01-17-2008, 09:56 AM	#29
bobad 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 247	Re: McFadden vs Thomas Originally Posted by TheDeuce Please don't talk to me about how he's a playmaker because of what he did in the preseason. Preseason performances have absolutely no bearing on whether or not a player is going to be any good. I'm talking to you about preseason. If preseason has nothing to do with anything, why do coaching staffs depend on it to build their teams and set depth charts? Even if you were right, preseason can showcase a player's skill, talent, hands, coordination, balance, and general football smarts. According to you, when a RB drags 4 defensive players down the field in preseason, it doesn't mean he has power. I wish you would tell me what it does mean.
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01-17-2008, 10:21 AM	#30
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: McFadden vs Thomas Originally Posted by TheDeuce Please don't talk to me about how he's a playmaker because of what he did in the preseason. Preseason performances have absolutely no bearing on whether or not a player is going to be any good. Tell that to Matt Schaub, David Garrard, and Matt Hasselbach.