McFadden vs Thomas

mvtrucking · 01-15-2008, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Look, I know Pierre is a fan favorite around here, but look at what you just said. You just said that you'd take a guy who has a limited ceiling and a 3rd or 4th string running back when everybody is healthy over a guy who finished second in the Heisman voting this past season. Sure, McFadden has had some legal issues over the past month, but that doesn't change the fact that he's probably the best all-around player in the country. Hell, he practically invented an entirely new offense.

Pierre can be a good back, but he will never be a great back. It's not even guaranteed that he'll make the squad next season. You're basing your argument on one game. Look at the rest of the season, the guy wasn't all that spectacular.

McFadden on the other hand has a lot of things that will prevent Pierre Thomas from ever being a great back. World-class speed, he's very very strong for a running back, good vision, and he's versatile (ie he can throw and catch the ball as well). McFadden is a game-changer, he can come in and on one play take it 80 yards for a score. If you don't believe me ask LSU, because he torched them on long runs numerous times. I just can't see Pierre ever doing that, his longest run this season was 17 yards.

I'm not really sold on Pierre Thomas being the future of the running back position. In fact, if Deuce is healthy come training camp, I'd take Deuce in a heartbeat over Pierre Thomas. But more to the point, if I had the chance between Pierre and McFadden, it would be silly not to take McFadden.

You may be right concerning PT BUT, its a fact that everytime this kid has had the chance to play be it preseason, special teams or his first start, he is a PLAYMAKER.(Look at his PS games, touchdown on ST, etc) I really believe that this kid is special. Diamonds have been found in the rough before..

TheDeuce · 01-15-2008, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by mvtrucking

You may be right concerning PT BUT, its a fact that everytime this kid has had the chance to play be it preseason, special teams or his first start, he is a PLAYMAKER.(Look at his PS games, touchdown on ST, etc) I really believe that this kid is special. Diamonds have been found in the rough before..

Please don't talk to me about how he's a playmaker because of what he did in the preseason. Preseason performances have absolutely no bearing on whether or not a player is going to be any good. You can point to the final game of the season and then you can start to say that he's going to be a good player, but please don't talk to me about the preseason.

I'll admit that Pierre had a great game against Chicago, in fact, he was the first player in Saints history to ever get 100 yds rushing and 100 yds receiving in the same game. BUT, let's not jump to conclusions because of one game. He had one good game, but if you look at the game where he got the most carries (besides the Chicago game), he rushed for a 2.7 yard average on 12 carries. I'm not saying he's not a good player, I'm just saying that maybe we should hold out on crowning him the best running back we have on the team, or better than the best running back in the draft, until we've seen him play a little more.

bobad · 01-17-2008, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Please don't talk to me about how he's a playmaker because of what he did in the preseason. Preseason performances have absolutely no bearing on whether or not a player is going to be any good.

I'm talking to you about preseason. If preseason has nothing to do with anything, why do coaching staffs depend on it to build their teams and set depth charts?

Even if you were right, preseason can showcase a player's skill, talent, hands, coordination, balance, and general football smarts. According to you, when a RB drags 4 defensive players down the field in preseason, it doesn't mean he has power. I wish you would tell me what it does mean.

01-15-2008, 06:08 PM	#1
mvtrucking Registered Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 77	Re: McFadden vs Thomas Originally Posted by TheDeuce Look, I know Pierre is a fan favorite around here, but look at what you just said. You just said that you'd take a guy who has a limited ceiling and a 3rd or 4th string running back when everybody is healthy over a guy who finished second in the Heisman voting this past season. Sure, McFadden has had some legal issues over the past month, but that doesn't change the fact that he's probably the best all-around player in the country. Hell, he practically invented an entirely new offense. Pierre can be a good back, but he will never be a great back. It's not even guaranteed that he'll make the squad next season. You're basing your argument on one game. Look at the rest of the season, the guy wasn't all that spectacular. McFadden on the other hand has a lot of things that will prevent Pierre Thomas from ever being a great back. World-class speed, he's very very strong for a running back, good vision, and he's versatile (ie he can throw and catch the ball as well). McFadden is a game-changer, he can come in and on one play take it 80 yards for a score. If you don't believe me ask LSU, because he torched them on long runs numerous times. I just can't see Pierre ever doing that, his longest run this season was 17 yards. I'm not really sold on Pierre Thomas being the future of the running back position. In fact, if Deuce is healthy come training camp, I'd take Deuce in a heartbeat over Pierre Thomas. But more to the point, if I had the chance between Pierre and McFadden, it would be silly not to take McFadden. You may be right concerning PT BUT, its a fact that everytime this kid has had the chance to play be it preseason, special teams or his first start, he is a PLAYMAKER.(Look at his PS games, touchdown on ST, etc) I really believe that this kid is special. Diamonds have been found in the rough before..

01-15-2008, 07:43 PM	#2
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: McFadden vs Thomas Originally Posted by mvtrucking You may be right concerning PT BUT, its a fact that everytime this kid has had the chance to play be it preseason, special teams or his first start, he is a PLAYMAKER.(Look at his PS games, touchdown on ST, etc) I really believe that this kid is special. Diamonds have been found in the rough before.. Please don't talk to me about how he's a playmaker because of what he did in the preseason. Preseason performances have absolutely no bearing on whether or not a player is going to be any good. You can point to the final game of the season and then you can start to say that he's going to be a good player, but please don't talk to me about the preseason. I'll admit that Pierre had a great game against Chicago, in fact, he was the first player in Saints history to ever get 100 yds rushing and 100 yds receiving in the same game. BUT, let's not jump to conclusions because of one game. He had one good game, but if you look at the game where he got the most carries (besides the Chicago game), he rushed for a 2.7 yard average on 12 carries. I'm not saying he's not a good player, I'm just saying that maybe we should hold out on crowning him the best running back we have on the team, or better than the best running back in the draft, until we've seen him play a little more.
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01-17-2008, 08:56 AM	#3
bobad 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 247	Re: McFadden vs Thomas Originally Posted by TheDeuce Please don't talk to me about how he's a playmaker because of what he did in the preseason. Preseason performances have absolutely no bearing on whether or not a player is going to be any good. I'm talking to you about preseason. If preseason has nothing to do with anything, why do coaching staffs depend on it to build their teams and set depth charts? Even if you were right, preseason can showcase a player's skill, talent, hands, coordination, balance, and general football smarts. According to you, when a RB drags 4 defensive players down the field in preseason, it doesn't mean he has power. I wish you would tell me what it does mean.
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