Free agent bits and pieces......

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-14-2008, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

I don't know about you guys, but I'd give up a 2nd round pick in a heartbeat to get Roy Williams. Thoughts?

Not again! I'd give up a second for a defensive back with the same talent level as Williams. Or a LB. Or a DT.

But i'll only give up that second for a proven productive defensive player.

Sounds like that Haynesworth deal could get nasty if they don't get something worked out. I'd love to have him in N.O. I'd trade our first rounder for that guy.

Now that's something I can agree with.

SFIAH

Supersaint19 · 01-25-2008, 12:45 PM

how do you know we arent interested, I want Wilson if healthy

BooBirdSaint · 01-25-2008, 02:26 PM

When was the last time the Saints were in the legimate running to land a true impact FA? Ya I know you'll likey say Brees but if truth be told Miami was in the drivers seat on that deal and not us. Fact is the Saints FA stragety is to major in the minors. I'm not saying this is all a bad stragety but I am saying don't hold out hoping the Saints are gonna be in the running for one of the top tier FA this offseason. History and frachinse economics are against that...

Supersaint19 · 01-25-2008, 02:36 PM

Like Loomis said they go after players all the time but you wont hear about it unless they obtain them

Bobaganoosh · 01-25-2008, 09:26 PM

I agree with the idea of NOT trading our picks for offensive players including Roy williams. I dont think giving up a 2nd for Roy Williams makes a lot of sense for our team...i think that would be a good deal for someone else, not for us.

Whether you guys believe me or not, i do think this is the year that you hear the saints at least mentioned in the pursuit of a few big name free agents. I will not go so far as to say that we will land one, but i do think the saints will be willing to open up a bit for someone on the defensive side of the ball.

hagan714 · 01-27-2008, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

I agree with the idea of NOT trading our picks for offensive players including Roy williams. I dont think giving up a 2nd for Roy Williams makes a lot of sense for our team...i think that would be a good deal for someone else, not for us.

Whether you guys believe me or not, i do think this is the year that you hear the saints at least mentioned in the pursuit of a few big name free agents. I will not go so far as to say that we will land one, but i do think the saints will be willing to open up a bit for someone on the defensive side of the ball.

I agree with you Bob we just have to wait and see who.

Here is an option on Williams. Trade down in the first. 10 to 15 is worth 250 points or the 4th pick in the 3rd round. Then put a conditional pick on signing him to an extension for 2009 in the 2009 draft. That to me is do able. Much like the deal we got with Phili in the Stallworth deal. We may have to do a 3rd to 2nd instead of the 4th to 3rd we got for Donte.

If Meachem develops as we hope, we may not need to sign him. Then for once we can start to play the comp pick game. He should bring at least a 3rd or maybe a second if we are lucky. Cash in one year later. Just a thought

TheDeuce · 01-28-2008, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

I agree with the idea of NOT trading our picks for offensive players including Roy williams. I dont think giving up a 2nd for Roy Williams makes a lot of sense for our team...i think that would be a good deal for someone else, not for us.

Whether you guys believe me or not, i do think this is the year that you hear the saints at least mentioned in the pursuit of a few big name free agents. I will not go so far as to say that we will land one, but i do think the saints will be willing to open up a bit for someone on the defensive side of the ball.

I understand the principle behind what you "all defense or nothing" guys are saying. However, we have to understand what's going to happen in reality. In reality, I know that the Saints aren't going to fully address the defensive situation. I know that they are going to go after an offensive player, so why not make it a guy who, matched with Drew Brees, has the potential to be the best wide receiver in the NFC? If you came up to me and said that you would give me a proven Pro Bowl caliber player for a second round pick, I'd take it in a heartbeat. Nothing is certain in the draft. Give me that proven entity for an unsure thing any day of the week, even if he does play offense. Since we won't go out and get a big-time defensive playmaker, we mine as well have a helluva offensive player.

iceshack149 · 01-28-2008, 10:24 PM

This isn't about talent, it's about money. Williams may get 1000 yards and 10 td's for the Saints but the Saints would spend big money to get him AND lose a pick in the draft. That pick, that money, needs to be spent on defense.

Cancer Beater · 01-25-2008, 04:38 PM

Somehow New England will get Haynesworth.

SoulStar · 01-27-2008, 02:46 PM

Just how much money are you guys ready to spend on the offense here in New Orleans. Some of you say you want Roy Williams, but the Lions are afraid he is going to ask for the bank when he becomes a free agent in two years.

Thats why they are trying to dump him off on someone, it would be intresting to see Colston and Williams on the same team, but we have a ton of cash, and Resigning W.Smith and Colston and the offenseive Linemen who are free agents should come first. Then bring in the def playmakers.

02-14-2008, 08:10 PM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by TheDeuce I don't know about you guys, but I'd give up a 2nd round pick in a heartbeat to get Roy Williams. Thoughts? Not again! I'd give up a second for a defensive back with the same talent level as Williams. Or a LB. Or a DT. But i'll only give up that second for a proven productive defensive player. Sounds like that Haynesworth deal could get nasty if they don't get something worked out. I'd love to have him in N.O. I'd trade our first rounder for that guy. Now that's something I can agree with. SFIAH

01-25-2008, 12:45 PM	#2
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01-25-2008, 02:26 PM	#3
BooBirdSaint 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 273	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... When was the last time the Saints were in the legimate running to land a true impact FA? Ya I know you'll likey say Brees but if truth be told Miami was in the drivers seat on that deal and not us. Fact is the Saints FA stragety is to major in the minors. I'm not saying this is all a bad stragety but I am saying don't hold out hoping the Saints are gonna be in the running for one of the top tier FA this offseason. History and frachinse economics are against that...

01-25-2008, 02:36 PM	#4
Supersaint19 Registered Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 59	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Like Loomis said they go after players all the time but you wont hear about it unless they obtain them
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01-25-2008, 09:26 PM	#5
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01-27-2008, 06:38 PM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh I agree with the idea of NOT trading our picks for offensive players including Roy williams. I dont think giving up a 2nd for Roy Williams makes a lot of sense for our team...i think that would be a good deal for someone else, not for us. Whether you guys believe me or not, i do think this is the year that you hear the saints at least mentioned in the pursuit of a few big name free agents. I will not go so far as to say that we will land one, but i do think the saints will be willing to open up a bit for someone on the defensive side of the ball. I agree with you Bob we just have to wait and see who. Here is an option on Williams. Trade down in the first. 10 to 15 is worth 250 points or the 4th pick in the 3rd round. Then put a conditional pick on signing him to an extension for 2009 in the 2009 draft. That to me is do able. Much like the deal we got with Phili in the Stallworth deal. We may have to do a 3rd to 2nd instead of the 4th to 3rd we got for Donte. If Meachem develops as we hope, we may not need to sign him. Then for once we can start to play the comp pick game. He should bring at least a 3rd or maybe a second if we are lucky. Cash in one year later. Just a thought
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01-28-2008, 08:48 PM	#7
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh I agree with the idea of NOT trading our picks for offensive players including Roy williams. I dont think giving up a 2nd for Roy Williams makes a lot of sense for our team...i think that would be a good deal for someone else, not for us. Whether you guys believe me or not, i do think this is the year that you hear the saints at least mentioned in the pursuit of a few big name free agents. I will not go so far as to say that we will land one, but i do think the saints will be willing to open up a bit for someone on the defensive side of the ball. I understand the principle behind what you "all defense or nothing" guys are saying. However, we have to understand what's going to happen in reality. In reality, I know that the Saints aren't going to fully address the defensive situation. I know that they are going to go after an offensive player, so why not make it a guy who, matched with Drew Brees, has the potential to be the best wide receiver in the NFC? If you came up to me and said that you would give me a proven Pro Bowl caliber player for a second round pick, I'd take it in a heartbeat. Nothing is certain in the draft. Give me that proven entity for an unsure thing any day of the week, even if he does play offense. Since we won't go out and get a big-time defensive playmaker, we mine as well have a helluva offensive player.
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01-28-2008, 10:24 PM	#8
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