Free agent bits and pieces......

biloxi-indian · 01-29-2008, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by msmith

Thanks Biloxi-Indian... I appreciate the links...

Of course, any potential trades would be based on him passing a team physical anway... I'd agree that this is definitely an option worth investigating...

If the Saints were interested, it would almost be definite that Dr. Andrews in Birmingham would put his stamp of approval before any trade is made.

For me, I would like for the Saints to chase Briggs in FA and draft Rivers at #10. That would be Fujita, Rivers, and Briggs as starters with Shanle, Mitchell, and Evans as backups!

Bobaganoosh · 01-29-2008, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

For me, I would like for the Saints to chase Briggs in FA and draft Rivers at #10. That would be Fujita, Rivers, and Briggs as starters with Shanle, Mitchell, and Evans as backups!

I agree with taking Rivers at 10 because i think it would be easier for a rookie LB to come in and play well opposed to a rookie CB...but i do not see the saints going after Briggs.

I have a gut feeling that tells me that the saints will pursue a veteran CB even if it means spending alot of money. When Payton first got here, he knew the team couldnt even be competitive without a quality QB and they made it clear that they would beat any offer for Brees. I think they will have the same mindset when it comes to an impact CB this year. Thats not to say they will land one, but i think they will be aggresive in going after one...or two.

biloxi-indian · 01-29-2008, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

I agree with taking Rivers at 10 because i think it would be easier for a rookie LB to come in and play well opposed to a rookie CB...but i do not see the saints going after Briggs.

I have a gut feeling that tells me that the saints will pursue a veteran CB even if it means spending alot of money. When Payton first got here, he knew the team couldnt even be competitive without a quality QB and they made it clear that they would beat any offer for Brees. I think they will have the same mindset when it comes to an impact CB this year. Thats not to say they will land one, but i think they will be aggresive in going after one...or two.

You may be right...especially since MM might not be back at all in 2008. However, I think the DL will get "thiner" with Coach O, and the LB's will get young and fast...either through the draft or FA!

I am hoping Briggs, however, if Vilma is available and healthly, then work a trade with the Jets. Also, I think Carpenter from the Cowboys would be a good fit in NO. Options, options, and more options.

One last point. If, and it is a big IF, McFadden is available at #10...the Cowboys will be a calling. I would trade #10 and use the second of the Cowboys first round draft at #28 pick to trade again for a second and third. Five picks in the first three rounds and a couple of FA would be a dream come true.

Bobaganoosh · 01-30-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

One last point. If, and it is a big IF, McFadden is available at #10...the Cowboys will be a calling. I would trade #10 and use the second of the Cowboys first round draft at #28 pick to trade again for a second and third. Five picks in the first three rounds and a couple of FA would be a dream come true.

Thats is some major wishfull thinking. McFadden being there at 10 is like saying Reggie Bush would be available at 10 2 years ago. Not even a possibility.

biloxi-indian · 01-30-2008, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

Thats is some major wishfull thinking. McFadden being there at 10 is like saying Reggie Bush would be available at 10 2 years ago. Not even a possibility.

Stranger things have happened. Remember Quinn last year?

Cancer Beater · 01-30-2008, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

Stranger things have happened. Remember Quinn last year?

While I understand your point, I must point out that Quinn wasn't the runner-up for the Heisman two years in a row like McFadden.
Quinn didn't light-up great SEC defenses like McFadden did.
Also, McFadden's running style is alot like this years Rookie of the Year, A.Peterson.

GM's would never let him drop to #10.

biloxi-indian · 02-14-2008, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

Thats is some major wishfull thinking. McFadden being there at 10 is like saying Reggie Bush would be available at 10 2 years ago. Not even a possibility.

Mayock's top ten as of yesterday

1) Matt Ryan, QB
2) Sedrick Ellis, DT
3) Chris Long, DE
4) Glenn Dorsey, DT
5) Vernon Gholston, DE
6) Jake Long, OT
7) Ryan Clady, OT
8) Keith Rivers, LB
9) Philip Merling, DE
10) Leodis McKelvin, CB

We know Mayock likes to break the mold on his judgements (and I respect that) but this is as high as I have seen Clady, Merling and McKelvin.

Yesterday he said he can see both Gholston and Chis Long as linebackers in a 3-4 formation. I agree with Gholston (I think he can play LB in a 4-3 even) but not sure on Long. According to him, Merling is the best run stopper of the defensive ends.

He says McFadden is not a top 20 pick. Hmm...

http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61062

Bobaganoosh · 02-14-2008, 01:26 PM

so are you going to tell me that the list of his top 10 is how the top 10 picks are going to unfold? There is no way that McFadden will fall to us. Once he falls past 4, you will see teams trying to move up to take him. He will be gone long before our slot comes up and that is not even something i am going to debate.

biloxi-indian · 02-14-2008, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

so are you going to tell me that the list of his top 10 is how the top 10 picks are going to unfold? There is no way that McFadden will fall to us. Once he falls past 4, you will see teams trying to move up to take him. He will be gone long before our slot comes up and that is not even something i am going to debate.

I didn't tell you anything of the sort. What I did do was provide a link to an opposing perspective (not mine) to yours. It is regrettable you cannot accept a opposing viewpoint (not mine) from someone who does this for a living!

BTW; go back and read again. I said "IF" and it was a big "IF"!

01-29-2008, 08:30 PM	#2
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by biloxi-indian For me, I would like for the Saints to chase Briggs in FA and draft Rivers at #10. That would be Fujita, Rivers, and Briggs as starters with Shanle, Mitchell, and Evans as backups! I agree with taking Rivers at 10 because i think it would be easier for a rookie LB to come in and play well opposed to a rookie CB...but i do not see the saints going after Briggs. I have a gut feeling that tells me that the saints will pursue a veteran CB even if it means spending alot of money. When Payton first got here, he knew the team couldnt even be competitive without a quality QB and they made it clear that they would beat any offer for Brees. I think they will have the same mindset when it comes to an impact CB this year. Thats not to say they will land one, but i think they will be aggresive in going after one...or two.
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01-29-2008, 09:33 PM	#3
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh I agree with taking Rivers at 10 because i think it would be easier for a rookie LB to come in and play well opposed to a rookie CB...but i do not see the saints going after Briggs. I have a gut feeling that tells me that the saints will pursue a veteran CB even if it means spending alot of money. When Payton first got here, he knew the team couldnt even be competitive without a quality QB and they made it clear that they would beat any offer for Brees. I think they will have the same mindset when it comes to an impact CB this year. Thats not to say they will land one, but i think they will be aggresive in going after one...or two. You may be right...especially since MM might not be back at all in 2008. However, I think the DL will get "thiner" with Coach O, and the LB's will get young and fast...either through the draft or FA! I am hoping Briggs, however, if Vilma is available and healthly, then work a trade with the Jets. Also, I think Carpenter from the Cowboys would be a good fit in NO. Options, options, and more options. One last point. If, and it is a big IF, McFadden is available at #10...the Cowboys will be a calling. I would trade #10 and use the second of the Cowboys first round draft at #28 pick to trade again for a second and third. Five picks in the first three rounds and a couple of FA would be a dream come true.
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01-30-2008, 02:48 PM	#4
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by biloxi-indian One last point. If, and it is a big IF, McFadden is available at #10...the Cowboys will be a calling. I would trade #10 and use the second of the Cowboys first round draft at #28 pick to trade again for a second and third. Five picks in the first three rounds and a couple of FA would be a dream come true. Thats is some major wishfull thinking. McFadden being there at 10 is like saying Reggie Bush would be available at 10 2 years ago. Not even a possibility.

01-30-2008, 04:39 PM	#5
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh Thats is some major wishfull thinking. McFadden being there at 10 is like saying Reggie Bush would be available at 10 2 years ago. Not even a possibility. Stranger things have happened. Remember Quinn last year?

01-30-2008, 05:16 PM	#6
Cancer Beater 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 154	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by biloxi-indian Stranger things have happened. Remember Quinn last year? While I understand your point, I must point out that Quinn wasn't the runner-up for the Heisman two years in a row like McFadden. Quinn didn't light-up great SEC defenses like McFadden did. Also, McFadden's running style is alot like this years Rookie of the Year, A.Peterson. GM's would never let him drop to #10.
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01-29-2008, 05:08 PM	#1
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by msmith Thanks Biloxi-Indian... I appreciate the links... Of course, any potential trades would be based on him passing a team physical anway... I'd agree that this is definitely an option worth investigating... If the Saints were interested, it would almost be definite that Dr. Andrews in Birmingham would put his stamp of approval before any trade is made. For me, I would like for the Saints to chase Briggs in FA and draft Rivers at #10. That would be Fujita, Rivers, and Briggs as starters with Shanle, Mitchell, and Evans as backups!

02-14-2008, 08:04 AM	#7
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh Thats is some major wishfull thinking. McFadden being there at 10 is like saying Reggie Bush would be available at 10 2 years ago. Not even a possibility. Mayock's top ten as of yesterday 1) Matt Ryan, QB 2) Sedrick Ellis, DT 3) Chris Long, DE 4) Glenn Dorsey, DT 5) Vernon Gholston, DE 6) Jake Long, OT 7) Ryan Clady, OT 8) Keith Rivers, LB 9) Philip Merling, DE 10) Leodis McKelvin, CB We know Mayock likes to break the mold on his judgements (and I respect that) but this is as high as I have seen Clady, Merling and McKelvin. Yesterday he said he can see both Gholston and Chis Long as linebackers in a 3-4 formation. I agree with Gholston (I think he can play LB in a 4-3 even) but not sure on Long. According to him, Merling is the best run stopper of the defensive ends. He says McFadden is not a top 20 pick. Hmm... http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61062
	Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over, over, and over again...and expecting a different outcome!

02-14-2008, 01:26 PM	#8
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... so are you going to tell me that the list of his top 10 is how the top 10 picks are going to unfold? There is no way that McFadden will fall to us. Once he falls past 4, you will see teams trying to move up to take him. He will be gone long before our slot comes up and that is not even something i am going to debate.

02-14-2008, 05:03 PM	#9
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Free agent bits and pieces...... Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh so are you going to tell me that the list of his top 10 is how the top 10 picks are going to unfold? There is no way that McFadden will fall to us. Once he falls past 4, you will see teams trying to move up to take him. He will be gone long before our slot comes up and that is not even something i am going to debate. I didn't tell you anything of the sort. What I did do was provide a link to an opposing perspective (not mine) to yours. It is regrettable you cannot accept a opposing viewpoint (not mine) from someone who does this for a living! BTW; go back and read again. I said "IF" and it was a big "IF"!