saints to pick up some cfl players?

ssmitty · 02-15-2008, 03:36 PM

Goodspeed among top CFL free agents - Sportsnet.ca

QBREES9 · 02-15-2008, 04:17 PM

How old is this guy dan goodspeed. how about a corner ???

MatthewT · 02-17-2008, 10:28 PM

I often wonder what the Saints could have been, if they would have just paid Warren Moon the money he was looking for? If memory serves me correct, it was basically either New Orleans or Houston, and Moon went to Houston because they were more willing to meet his contract demands.

Since the Saints do have many holes to fill, especially on defense, they should definitely look at CFL talent.

As for Goodspeed, he is a stud in the CFL. For the Saints, he could be a very nice backup on the offensive line, or maybe even push for a starting job. From what I've read about him, he is very good for the running game.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-18-2008, 07:02 AM

I'm now convinced that the Saints organization doesn't know how to effectively manage mid-tier talent. Top level talent from odd places (Colston, Evans) seems to work out. But anyone who has been playing in the CFL probably isn't top tier talent.

I say leave it alone and spend money on big time defensive free agents only.

SFIAH

saintsfan1976 · 02-18-2008, 08:31 AM

Is there no talent left to look at in the N F L ????

papz · 02-18-2008, 09:18 AM

There's nothing wrong with scouting for talent in different places. Look what Kenton Keith did for the Colts last year. If we sign a CFL'er or two, I'm sure it wouldn't be a guaranteed contract nor will it be for any significant amount of money. I don't have a problem with that OT we're looking at... nice size. Hopefully he can play... maybe he'll earn himself a roster spot.

Minimum salaries in the CFL this year are $30,000 for rookies and $32,000 for veterans. The minimum increases to $35,000 next year as a result of the CFL’s new Collective Bargaining Agreement. The average CFL salary is about $45,000 Canadian.

Starters, excluding quarterbacks, can command anywhere between $60,000 and $120,000, depending on their position. Quarterbacks are generally the highest-paid players, making between $150,000 and $300,000.

Oh and that's how much they make... so there's hardly a risk.

saintsfan1976 · 02-18-2008, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by papz

There's nothing wrong with scouting for talent in different places. Look what Kenton Keith did for the Colts last year. If we sign a CFL'er or two, I'm sure it wouldn't be a guaranteed contract nor will it be for any significant amount of money. I don't have a problem with that OT we're looking at... nice size. Hopefully he can play... maybe he'll earn himself a roster spot.

Oh and that's how much they make... so there's hardly a risk.

Yet all of us here rant about the Saints' problems evaluating second tier talent and going after guys who are injury prone and over the peak in their career.... How is this any different?

If we're talking depth, then maybe.

QBREES9 · 02-18-2008, 12:44 PM

53 Niko Koutouvides MLB 6-2 238 26 4 Purdue. Heres someone who needs a break after playing behind Lofa for four years.

Niko a class kid, talented player and get this NO CONCUSSION !!!!

Hey Drew tell the powers that be about NIKO !!!

papz · 02-18-2008, 01:30 PM

Yet all of us here rant about the Saints' problems evaluating second tier talent and going after guys who are injury prone and over the peak in their career.... How is this any different?

Well I never said we've had trouble evaluating second tier talent. But even if we did, does that mean we should stop trying? It's not like the guys we're considering bringing are over the age of 30 and injury prone. These guys are most likely just camp bodies... just like undrafted free agents we're going to sign after the draft. It's not like we're looking for starters or anything over there. Let them come in and compete... there's absolutely NOTHING to lose here.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-19-2008, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by papz

Well I never said we've had trouble evaluating second tier talent.

Um... That would be me.

But even if we did, does that mean we should stop trying?

Ummm... Yes. We should stop trying.

It's not like the guys we're considering bringing are over the age of 30 and injury prone. These guys are most likely just camp bodies... just like undrafted free agents we're going to sign after the draft. It's not like we're looking for starters or anything over there. Let them come in and compete... there's absolutely NOTHING to lose here.

I see two problems with that argument. The first is that the organization is wasting time evaluating such talent instead of getting the top tier talent that we actually need. The second problem is more pervasive. That is the thinking in the organization that they can succeed with "diamonds in the rough" which causes them to not try to go after top tier guys.

The Saints need top tier guys because way too often plays get screwed up due to coaching and scheme. You need top tier talent to overcome those obstacles.

I know that's sad to say, but I think it's true. The offense would not be anywhere near where it is now if Payton had started off with a rookie QB. Brees makes that offense go. Top tier talent.

We need that on the defensive side of the ball.

So don't waste time on CFLers, or drafting in the backwoods, or looking at mid tier free agents. Get the super tackles, LBs, and CBs in the league to make the defense better now. Then back them up by drafting the best atheletes we can find.

That's the only way to get our problems on defense fixed.

SFIAH

02-15-2008, 03:36 PM	#1
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02-15-2008, 04:17 PM	#2
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: saints to pick up some cfl players? How old is this guy dan goodspeed. how about a corner ???

02-17-2008, 10:28 PM	#3
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: saints to pick up some cfl players? I often wonder what the Saints could have been, if they would have just paid Warren Moon the money he was looking for? If memory serves me correct, it was basically either New Orleans or Houston, and Moon went to Houston because they were more willing to meet his contract demands. Since the Saints do have many holes to fill, especially on defense, they should definitely look at CFL talent. As for Goodspeed, he is a stud in the CFL. For the Saints, he could be a very nice backup on the offensive line, or maybe even push for a starting job. From what I've read about him, he is very good for the running game.

02-18-2008, 07:02 AM	#4
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: saints to pick up some cfl players? I'm now convinced that the Saints organization doesn't know how to effectively manage mid-tier talent. Top level talent from odd places (Colston, Evans) seems to work out. But anyone who has been playing in the CFL probably isn't top tier talent. I say leave it alone and spend money on big time defensive free agents only. SFIAH

02-18-2008, 08:31 AM	#5
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02-18-2008, 09:18 AM	#6
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: saints to pick up some cfl players? There's nothing wrong with scouting for talent in different places. Look what Kenton Keith did for the Colts last year. If we sign a CFL'er or two, I'm sure it wouldn't be a guaranteed contract nor will it be for any significant amount of money. I don't have a problem with that OT we're looking at... nice size. Hopefully he can play... maybe he'll earn himself a roster spot. Minimum salaries in the CFL this year are $30,000 for rookies and $32,000 for veterans. The minimum increases to $35,000 next year as a result of the CFL’s new Collective Bargaining Agreement. The average CFL salary is about $45,000 Canadian. Starters, excluding quarterbacks, can command anywhere between $60,000 and $120,000, depending on their position. Quarterbacks are generally the highest-paid players, making between $150,000 and $300,000. Oh and that's how much they make... so there's hardly a risk.
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02-18-2008, 12:52 PM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: saints to pick up some cfl players? Originally Posted by papz There's nothing wrong with scouting for talent in different places. Look what Kenton Keith did for the Colts last year. If we sign a CFL'er or two, I'm sure it wouldn't be a guaranteed contract nor will it be for any significant amount of money. I don't have a problem with that OT we're looking at... nice size. Hopefully he can play... maybe he'll earn himself a roster spot. Oh and that's how much they make... so there's hardly a risk. Yet all of us here rant about the Saints' problems evaluating second tier talent and going after guys who are injury prone and over the peak in their career.... How is this any different? If we're talking depth, then maybe.

02-18-2008, 12:44 PM	#8
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: saints to pick up some cfl players? 53 Niko Koutouvides MLB 6-2 238 26 4 Purdue. Heres someone who needs a break after playing behind Lofa for four years. Niko a class kid, talented player and get this NO CONCUSSION !!!! Hey Drew tell the powers that be about NIKO !!!

02-18-2008, 01:30 PM	#9
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: saints to pick up some cfl players? Yet all of us here rant about the Saints' problems evaluating second tier talent and going after guys who are injury prone and over the peak in their career.... How is this any different? Well I never said we've had trouble evaluating second tier talent. But even if we did, does that mean we should stop trying? It's not like the guys we're considering bringing are over the age of 30 and injury prone. These guys are most likely just camp bodies... just like undrafted free agents we're going to sign after the draft. It's not like we're looking for starters or anything over there. Let them come in and compete... there's absolutely NOTHING to lose here.

02-19-2008, 07:10 AM	#10
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: saints to pick up some cfl play Originally Posted by papz Well I never said we've had trouble evaluating second tier talent. Um... That would be me. But even if we did, does that mean we should stop trying? Ummm... Yes. We should stop trying. It's not like the guys we're considering bringing are over the age of 30 and injury prone. These guys are most likely just camp bodies... just like undrafted free agents we're going to sign after the draft. It's not like we're looking for starters or anything over there. Let them come in and compete... there's absolutely NOTHING to lose here. I see two problems with that argument. The first is that the organization is wasting time evaluating such talent instead of getting the top tier talent that we actually need. The second problem is more pervasive. That is the thinking in the organization that they can succeed with "diamonds in the rough" which causes them to not try to go after top tier guys. The Saints need top tier guys because way too often plays get screwed up due to coaching and scheme. You need top tier talent to overcome those obstacles. I know that's sad to say, but I think it's true. The offense would not be anywhere near where it is now if Payton had started off with a rookie QB. Brees makes that offense go. Top tier talent. We need that on the defensive side of the ball. So don't waste time on CFLers, or drafting in the backwoods, or looking at mid tier free agents. Get the super tackles, LBs, and CBs in the league to make the defense better now. Then back them up by drafting the best atheletes we can find. That's the only way to get our problems on defense fixed. SFIAH
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