Is the Saints' system wrong??

WhoDat205 · 02-26-2008, 02:04 PM

Schemes all have their strengths and weaknesses. Personally, I like the m2m schemes as long as you have the players. The m2m is predicated on having athletic CBs that can throw off QB-WR timing at the line and play catch-up with the reciver. You also need a quick D-Line that can get up field and pressure the QB into throwing the ball away or making a poor decision. If you do get beat, you're going to get beat fast.

If you look at the cover 2, it keeps everything in front of the seconday and uses small, fast LBs to keep up with TE's and backs. That's why quick hitters work pretty well against these D's. It's the bend-don't-break philosophy.

The 3-4 leans heavily on the LBs (especially OLB) to provide the pass rush. The DE's almost play like DTs in that they need to take up blockers and free up the LBs to make plays.

That's why I would entertain the idea of moving Grant to DT. He's not coming with the speed we need on the edge. The back-ups actually played pretty well last season. Maybe there's a DE in the draft, too.

saintsfan1976 · 02-26-2008, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

Schemes all have their strengths and weaknesses. Personally, I like the m2m schemes as long as you have the players. The m2m is predicated on having athletic CBs that can throw off QB-WR timing at the line and play catch-up with the reciver. You also need a quick D-Line that can get up field and pressure the QB into throwing the ball away or making a poor decision. If you do get beat, you're going to get beat fast.

If you look at the cover 2, it keeps everything in front of the seconday and uses small, fast LBs to keep up with TE's and backs. That's why quick hitters work pretty well against these D's. It's the bend-don't-break philosophy.

The 3-4 leans heavily on the LBs (especially OLB) to provide the pass rush. The DE's almost play like DTs in that they need to take up blockers and free up the LBs to make plays.

That's why I would entertain the idea of moving Grant to DT. He's not coming with the speed we need on the edge. The back-ups actually played pretty well last season. Maybe there's a DE in the draft, too.

Then why aren't we signing these types of players??

Originally Posted by papz

Could our system work with better players? Maybe... but it can't be determined until we put better talent on the field. I wouldn't strictly say it's the wrong system to run because it worked well in Dallas when Gibbs was coaching there. If we don't intend to add quality talent defensively, I do believe we need to adjust our system to fit the players we have which we haven't done the past year.

Papz, I don't think it's talent that we've been lacking it's the right talent for our system that we've missed.

Budsdrinker · 02-26-2008, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat205

Schemes all have their strengths and weaknesses. Personally, I like the m2m schemes as long as you have the players. The m2m is predicated on having athletic CBs that can throw off QB-WR timing at the line and play catch-up with the reciver. You also need a quick D-Line that can get up field and pressure the QB into throwing the ball away or making a poor decision. If you do get beat, you're going to get beat fast.

If you look at the cover 2, it keeps everything in front of the seconday and uses small, fast LBs to keep up with TE's and backs. That's why quick hitters work pretty well against these D's. It's the bend-don't-break philosophy.

The 3-4 leans heavily on the LBs (especially OLB) to provide the pass rush. The DE's almost play like DTs in that they need to take up blockers and free up the LBs to make plays.

That's why I would entertain the idea of moving Grant to DT. He's not coming with the speed we need on the edge. The back-ups actually played pretty well last season. Maybe there's a DE in the draft, too.

I agree with you on this. Go after Justin Smith in FA for DE and move Grant to DT and draft LB and DB's. I probably should leave this alone but I just can't let missle keep bashing Orgeron before he has a chance to see what he can do. Just for a little background other than as missle wants to point out of his record at Ole Miss, Orgeron recruited Sedrick Ellis at USC. He also coached Patrick Willis at Ole Miss. He does appear to have an eye for defensive players and they seem to play well under his direction. Now if the Saints defensive line is worst this year than last year, missle I will buy you a few beers to apologize.

02-26-2008, 02:04 PM	#1
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Is the Saints' system wrong?? Schemes all have their strengths and weaknesses. Personally, I like the m2m schemes as long as you have the players. The m2m is predicated on having athletic CBs that can throw off QB-WR timing at the line and play catch-up with the reciver. You also need a quick D-Line that can get up field and pressure the QB into throwing the ball away or making a poor decision. If you do get beat, you're going to get beat fast. If you look at the cover 2, it keeps everything in front of the seconday and uses small, fast LBs to keep up with TE's and backs. That's why quick hitters work pretty well against these D's. It's the bend-don't-break philosophy. The 3-4 leans heavily on the LBs (especially OLB) to provide the pass rush. The DE's almost play like DTs in that they need to take up blockers and free up the LBs to make plays. That's why I would entertain the idea of moving Grant to DT. He's not coming with the speed we need on the edge. The back-ups actually played pretty well last season. Maybe there's a DE in the draft, too.
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02-26-2008, 04:13 PM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,057 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Is the Saints' system wrong?? Originally Posted by WhoDat205 Schemes all have their strengths and weaknesses. Personally, I like the m2m schemes as long as you have the players. The m2m is predicated on having athletic CBs that can throw off QB-WR timing at the line and play catch-up with the reciver. You also need a quick D-Line that can get up field and pressure the QB into throwing the ball away or making a poor decision. If you do get beat, you're going to get beat fast. If you look at the cover 2, it keeps everything in front of the seconday and uses small, fast LBs to keep up with TE's and backs. That's why quick hitters work pretty well against these D's. It's the bend-don't-break philosophy. The 3-4 leans heavily on the LBs (especially OLB) to provide the pass rush. The DE's almost play like DTs in that they need to take up blockers and free up the LBs to make plays. That's why I would entertain the idea of moving Grant to DT. He's not coming with the speed we need on the edge. The back-ups actually played pretty well last season. Maybe there's a DE in the draft, too. Then why aren't we signing these types of players?? Originally Posted by papz Could our system work with better players? Maybe... but it can't be determined until we put better talent on the field. I wouldn't strictly say it's the wrong system to run because it worked well in Dallas when Gibbs was coaching there. If we don't intend to add quality talent defensively, I do believe we need to adjust our system to fit the players we have which we haven't done the past year. Papz, I don't think it's talent that we've been lacking it's the right talent for our system that we've missed.

02-26-2008, 08:44 PM	#3
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Is the Saints' system wrong?? Originally Posted by WhoDat205 Schemes all have their strengths and weaknesses. Personally, I like the m2m schemes as long as you have the players. The m2m is predicated on having athletic CBs that can throw off QB-WR timing at the line and play catch-up with the reciver. You also need a quick D-Line that can get up field and pressure the QB into throwing the ball away or making a poor decision. If you do get beat, you're going to get beat fast. If you look at the cover 2, it keeps everything in front of the seconday and uses small, fast LBs to keep up with TE's and backs. That's why quick hitters work pretty well against these D's. It's the bend-don't-break philosophy. The 3-4 leans heavily on the LBs (especially OLB) to provide the pass rush. The DE's almost play like DTs in that they need to take up blockers and free up the LBs to make plays. That's why I would entertain the idea of moving Grant to DT. He's not coming with the speed we need on the edge. The back-ups actually played pretty well last season. Maybe there's a DE in the draft, too. I agree with you on this. Go after Justin Smith in FA for DE and move Grant to DT and draft LB and DB's. I probably should leave this alone but I just can't let missle keep bashing Orgeron before he has a chance to see what he can do. Just for a little background other than as missle wants to point out of his record at Ole Miss, Orgeron recruited Sedrick Ellis at USC. He also coached Patrick Willis at Ole Miss. He does appear to have an eye for defensive players and they seem to play well under his direction. Now if the Saints defensive line is worst this year than last year, missle I will buy you a few beers to apologize.