LB Vilma Officially A Saint - More Excitement

Bobaganoosh · 02-29-2008, 10:43 PM

[QUOTE=BleedBlack&Gold;155588]I know everyone wants Briggs next but if we dont get it done, how about one of these four:
Boss Bailey
Dhani Jones
Dan Morgon
Jerimiah Trotter

QUOTE]

Bailey--may be worth a look
Jones--resigned
Morgan--No interest
Trotter--completely forgettable...this guy is done.

I think the Saints will make a decent offer to Briggs if he ever makes it down here for a visit...and i believe the Saints will target Rivers in the draft if Briggs doesnt sign.

G504 · 03-01-2008, 12:35 PM

A good start, we still need more help on defense, though.

cajunasian61 · 03-01-2008, 03:15 PM

I think the Saints will make a decent offer to Briggs if he ever makes it down here for a visit...and i believe the Saints will target Rivers in the draft if Briggs doesnt sign.

I agree. Target a linebacker in the draft if we dont get Briggs. The linebackers in free agency either arent healthy or aren't better than what we have. Plus we already had Dhani Jones on our team and he couldnt make it past preseason

Touchdown · 03-01-2008, 04:06 PM

Vilmaaaaa!

dasaints26 · 03-01-2008, 04:24 PM

I think I heard on ESPN that the conditional pick could go as high as a #2 if he signs a long term deal with the Saints. I really wasnt paying attention but I thought they were talking about Vilma. Anybody else hear that? Like I said I wasnt paying attention they couldve been talking about someone else.

dasaints26 · 03-01-2008, 04:32 PM

Nevermind I just read one of the links and it says the pick could be a #2 if we sign a contract extension. Just read all the talk of a #3 or #4 round pick and was a little surprised when I heard a 2nd round pick.

Revis and Harris · 03-02-2008, 07:08 PM

Hey guys...

Another Jets Fan here.

Wanted to weigh in on the Vilma deal, why we traded him, and what you can expect to get.

First of, it was a good deal on both sides, from what I've heard, it's a 4th rounder this year, along with a conditional next year. If he reaches the conditions next year, I believe it will be a 2nd round pick, but we'll have to return a 4th to you.

This tells me that Vilma's knee is still a bit of a concern, from what I understand, he has not even started jogging yet. So it's very much up in the air next year, he says he'll be ready, but how often does a player say that he wont be?

Why did we trade him? Vilma is a terrible misfit for our defense. In fact, the 3-4 system we run literally exaggerates his weakness while suffocating his talents. Mangini believes that the system is more important then the players in it, so he's sticking to his guns. Therefore, there was no room for Vilma on the team despite his leadership abilities, he was a liability for us. My only wish was that we traded him before this season, I'm fairly certain we could have gotten a high 2nd rounder for him at that point.

Now, what you can expect... You're going to love him in. His leadership is great, he's a guy who's jersey you'll be proud to own and wear on gameday. He's a model citizen.

On the field, his sideline to sideline ability is what makes him great. I think he's going to secure a spot as a top MLB in the league. Don't expect to get Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher, but definitely just a step below. The guy will make a ton of tackles and chase down linebackers running outside all game. You'll love his speed, I mean love it. You'll wonder 'How the hell did he get there to make that play'. He will literally be a rock for you in the middle for years. (if you extend him) He also I'm sure will take your defense on his back and become a captain immediately.

On the negative side, one thing Vilma has never really been IMO is a playmaker, as I said, he's going to make a ton of tackles, and be absolutely rock solid, however, I would not expect many forced fumbles, sacks, or tackles for loss. Even in his best years with us, he never had them. Also, he's 6'1, 230... not much bigger than many RBs, which means while he's a monster at taking angles, catching you, and bringing you down, if you run right at him, you neutralize his advantage. (specifically why he was invisible in the 3-4) He will make the tackles in these situations, but he'll get run over a lot and bring the ball carrier down falling forward for those 2-3 extra yards. Hopefully you're strong in your interior D-line or working to be stronger. If not, D-Rob for sale!!! (Another player who will vastly improve once he's out of our system)

On a personal note, I was rooting for you guys hard last year, and you are and will continue to be on of my favorite teams. Good luck this year, and enjoy your new MLB!

PS: This is a cool smiley:

papz · 03-02-2008, 07:16 PM

Thanks for the insight.

winmill1 · 03-02-2008, 07:16 PM

Wow good read. You pretty much summed up alot of my questions on Vilma.

FireVenturi · 03-02-2008, 10:39 PM

Thanks Jets fan, you are welcome here anytime!!!!!

02-29-2008, 10:43 PM	#31
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: LB Vilma Officially A Saint - More Excitement [QUOTE=BleedBlack&Gold;155588]I know everyone wants Briggs next but if we dont get it done, how about one of these four: Boss Bailey Dhani Jones Dan Morgon Jerimiah Trotter QUOTE] Bailey--may be worth a look Jones--resigned Morgan--No interest Trotter--completely forgettable...this guy is done. I think the Saints will make a decent offer to Briggs if he ever makes it down here for a visit...and i believe the Saints will target Rivers in the draft if Briggs doesnt sign.

03-01-2008, 12:35 PM	#32
G504 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Miami Posts: 424	Re: LB Vilma Officially A Saint - More Excitement A good start, we still need more help on defense, though.

03-01-2008, 03:15 PM	#33
cajunasian61 Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Evansville, IN (Where is that?) Posts: 64	Re: LB Vilma Officially A Saint - More Excitement I think the Saints will make a decent offer to Briggs if he ever makes it down here for a visit...and i believe the Saints will target Rivers in the draft if Briggs doesnt sign. I agree. Target a linebacker in the draft if we dont get Briggs. The linebackers in free agency either arent healthy or aren't better than what we have. Plus we already had Dhani Jones on our team and he couldnt make it past preseason

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dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: LB Vilma Officially A Saint - More Excitement I think I heard on ESPN that the conditional pick could go as high as a #2 if he signs a long term deal with the Saints. I really wasnt paying attention but I thought they were talking about Vilma. Anybody else hear that? Like I said I wasnt paying attention they couldve been talking about someone else.
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03-01-2008, 04:32 PM	#36
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: LB Vilma Officially A Saint - More Excitement Nevermind I just read one of the links and it says the pick could be a #2 if we sign a contract extension. Just read all the talk of a #3 or #4 round pick and was a little surprised when I heard a 2nd round pick.
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03-02-2008, 07:08 PM	#37
Revis and Harris Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2	Re: LB Vilma Officially A Saint - More Excitement Hey guys... Another Jets Fan here. Wanted to weigh in on the Vilma deal, why we traded him, and what you can expect to get. First of, it was a good deal on both sides, from what I've heard, it's a 4th rounder this year, along with a conditional next year. If he reaches the conditions next year, I believe it will be a 2nd round pick, but we'll have to return a 4th to you. This tells me that Vilma's knee is still a bit of a concern, from what I understand, he has not even started jogging yet. So it's very much up in the air next year, he says he'll be ready, but how often does a player say that he wont be? Why did we trade him? Vilma is a terrible misfit for our defense. In fact, the 3-4 system we run literally exaggerates his weakness while suffocating his talents. Mangini believes that the system is more important then the players in it, so he's sticking to his guns. Therefore, there was no room for Vilma on the team despite his leadership abilities, he was a liability for us. My only wish was that we traded him before this season, I'm fairly certain we could have gotten a high 2nd rounder for him at that point. Now, what you can expect... You're going to love him in. His leadership is great, he's a guy who's jersey you'll be proud to own and wear on gameday. He's a model citizen. On the field, his sideline to sideline ability is what makes him great. I think he's going to secure a spot as a top MLB in the league. Don't expect to get Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher, but definitely just a step below. The guy will make a ton of tackles and chase down linebackers running outside all game. You'll love his speed, I mean love it. You'll wonder 'How the hell did he get there to make that play'. He will literally be a rock for you in the middle for years. (if you extend him) He also I'm sure will take your defense on his back and become a captain immediately. On the negative side, one thing Vilma has never really been IMO is a playmaker, as I said, he's going to make a ton of tackles, and be absolutely rock solid, however, I would not expect many forced fumbles, sacks, or tackles for loss. Even in his best years with us, he never had them. Also, he's 6'1, 230... not much bigger than many RBs, which means while he's a monster at taking angles, catching you, and bringing you down, if you run right at him, you neutralize his advantage. (specifically why he was invisible in the 3-4) He will make the tackles in these situations, but he'll get run over a lot and bring the ball carrier down falling forward for those 2-3 extra yards. Hopefully you're strong in your interior D-line or working to be stronger. If not, D-Rob for sale!!! (Another player who will vastly improve once he's out of our system) On a personal note, I was rooting for you guys hard last year, and you are and will continue to be on of my favorite teams. Good luck this year, and enjoy your new MLB! PS: This is a cool smiley:
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03-02-2008, 07:16 PM	#38
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: LB Vilma Officially A Saint - More Excitement Thanks for the insight.

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winmill1 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 426	Re: LB Vilma Officially A Saint - More Excitement Wow good read. You pretty much summed up alot of my questions on Vilma.
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FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: LB Vilma Officially A Saint - More Excitement Thanks Jets fan, you are welcome here anytime!!!!!