McFadden at 10? Trade up?

Boogro · 03-04-2008, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Let's face it, Deuce isn't going to be the same at his age coming back from 2 knee surgeries. At best he will be ready for mid season. So i predict our offense will be mediocre instead of dominating.

How much would you be willing to trade up? Consider this....
McFadden would make us the most feared offensive team in the league. Anybody that thinks a revamped defense is going to carry this team to the Superbowl is nuts. Offense is what drives the New Orleans Saints. By drafting McFadden we are assured of having one of the best offenses in the league if not the best. We would be stupid scary on one side of the field. Brees, Bush, Colston... would instantly be better by drafting McFadden. We could dictate to the defense again.

We have already upgrade our defense and I think we will continue to upgrade it in the draft. But you don't need a great defense... consider:

The Saints play a defense that is feast or famine. They try to make you have a bunch of 3 and outs or score quick with tight man to man coverage. This results in the Saints offense being on the field most of the time. This eventually wears a defense down in the 4th quarter or we simply over run teams who's offense can't score 20 points against our defense. Unfortunally, the weather is great equalizer as we found out in Chicago. Again, McFadden may be the key here to because without being able to run the football consistantly, you don't win in Chicago, Green Bay or New York.

I'm not suggesting that we mortgage the farm but if he falls to us or if we have to move up 1 to 2 spots to get him, it may pay the GREATEST DIVIDENDS by having the most dominate offense in the NFC again.

So the real question becomes... Would you like to have the best offense in the NFC or the number 12 defense in the league?

To be honest, I'd rather have a number 12 ranked D. PT had over 200 yds of total offense and we lost because we couldn't stop Kyle Orton. The 0-8 Rams beat us because we couldn't stop the 3rd and 17s and the offense couldn't get on the field. We are not that bad at RB. I like McFadden as much as the next guy, but the draft is deep with good rbs that can play, so if he falls then I would be willing to trade down, definately.

blackngold4877 · 03-04-2008, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Boogro

To be honest, I'd rather have a number 12 ranked D. PT had over 200 yds of total offense and we lost because we couldn't stop Kyle Orton. The 0-8 Rams beat us because we couldn't stop the 3rd and 17s and the offense couldn't get on the field. We are not that bad at RB. I like McFadden as much as the next guy, but the draft is deep with good rbs that can play, so if he falls then I would be willing to trade down, definately.

Absolutely agree. This team should be focused on the front 7 and pass rush. McCray was a good signing for this purpose, as I would guess he'll be used mostly on third and long situations with Grant possibly sliding over to DT, plus bringing in Vilma allows more blitzes from the OLB's as Vilma can cover a ton of ground when healthy.

Improve the pass rush and those 3rd and long completions disappear, plus nothing masks a weak secondary better than a QB under consistent pressure, I mean look at the Giants, their secondary sucks and they held the Pats to 14 points because their line was in Brady's face all game long.

Bobaganoosh · 03-04-2008, 11:55 AM

have to agree with Boogro...you have to take an offer and trade down. We still need 3 or 4 more pieces to fix our defense and if we could acquire more picks to do it, then do it. Also, if McFadden is still on the board, it means that a lot of the defensive guys we are targeting have already been picked. Move down, get a couple extra picks and we can still draft a Cb, DT, and LB and maybe a Safety too. There is no way you move up. Just think of how good our offense can be if our defense is good enough to hold people to a couple 3 and outs....and who knows what will happen if we ever get a defense that learns how to take the ball away from the other team.

blackngold4877 · 03-04-2008, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

have to agree with Boogro...you have to take an offer and trade down. We still need 3 or 4 more pieces to fix our defense and if we could acquire more picks to do it, then do it. Also, if McFadden is still on the board, it means that a lot of the defensive guys we are targeting have already been picked. Move down, get a couple extra picks and we can still draft a Cb, DT, and LB and maybe a Safety too. There is no way you move up. Just think of how good our offense can be if our defense is good enough to hold people to a couple 3 and outs....and who knows what will happen if we ever get a defense that learns how to take the ball away from the other team.

I think you have to try and trade down at 10, and really there's no way Dallas won't trade up to 10 for McFadden but I honestly don't think he'll get by the Pats if he's there at 7. Trading down there would be a classic Belichick move, and don't think he wouldn't love the irony in getting 2 firsts back for that pick.

Still in the event that McFadden is there at 10 and Dallas will swap their 2 firsts for him, the Saints can probably grab Brandon Flowers and Dan Connor in the first and help two major holes then grab Pat Sims at 40 to help DT and really call it an off season at that point.

Bobaganoosh · 03-04-2008, 12:05 PM

trading down and acquiring picks means the possiblilities are endless. The saints would be able to land a young CB, a young DT, and either a LB or TE or lineman to help add youth and then everyone is happy. Moving down makes the most sense for the long term growth of the team.

03-04-2008, 11:22 AM	#1
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	Re: McFadden Anyone? Originally Posted by foreverfan Let's face it, Deuce isn't going to be the same at his age coming back from 2 knee surgeries. At best he will be ready for mid season. So i predict our offense will be mediocre instead of dominating. How much would you be willing to trade up? Consider this.... McFadden would make us the most feared offensive team in the league. Anybody that thinks a revamped defense is going to carry this team to the Superbowl is nuts. Offense is what drives the New Orleans Saints. By drafting McFadden we are assured of having one of the best offenses in the league if not the best. We would be stupid scary on one side of the field. Brees, Bush, Colston... would instantly be better by drafting McFadden. We could dictate to the defense again. We have already upgrade our defense and I think we will continue to upgrade it in the draft. But you don't need a great defense... consider: The Saints play a defense that is feast or famine. They try to make you have a bunch of 3 and outs or score quick with tight man to man coverage. This results in the Saints offense being on the field most of the time. This eventually wears a defense down in the 4th quarter or we simply over run teams who's offense can't score 20 points against our defense. Unfortunally, the weather is great equalizer as we found out in Chicago. Again, McFadden may be the key here to because without being able to run the football consistantly, you don't win in Chicago, Green Bay or New York. I'm not suggesting that we mortgage the farm but if he falls to us or if we have to move up 1 to 2 spots to get him, it may pay the GREATEST DIVIDENDS by having the most dominate offense in the NFC again. So the real question becomes... Would you like to have the best offense in the NFC or the number 12 defense in the league? To be honest, I'd rather have a number 12 ranked D. PT had over 200 yds of total offense and we lost because we couldn't stop Kyle Orton. The 0-8 Rams beat us because we couldn't stop the 3rd and 17s and the offense couldn't get on the field. We are not that bad at RB. I like McFadden as much as the next guy, but the draft is deep with good rbs that can play, so if he falls then I would be willing to trade down, definately.

03-04-2008, 11:30 AM	#2
blackngold4877 Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Uptown Posts: 10	Re: McFadden Anyone? Originally Posted by Boogro To be honest, I'd rather have a number 12 ranked D. PT had over 200 yds of total offense and we lost because we couldn't stop Kyle Orton. The 0-8 Rams beat us because we couldn't stop the 3rd and 17s and the offense couldn't get on the field. We are not that bad at RB. I like McFadden as much as the next guy, but the draft is deep with good rbs that can play, so if he falls then I would be willing to trade down, definately. Absolutely agree. This team should be focused on the front 7 and pass rush. McCray was a good signing for this purpose, as I would guess he'll be used mostly on third and long situations with Grant possibly sliding over to DT, plus bringing in Vilma allows more blitzes from the OLB's as Vilma can cover a ton of ground when healthy. Improve the pass rush and those 3rd and long completions disappear, plus nothing masks a weak secondary better than a QB under consistent pressure, I mean look at the Giants, their secondary sucks and they held the Pats to 14 points because their line was in Brady's face all game long.
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03-04-2008, 11:55 AM	#3
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: McFadden at 10? Trade up? have to agree with Boogro...you have to take an offer and trade down. We still need 3 or 4 more pieces to fix our defense and if we could acquire more picks to do it, then do it. Also, if McFadden is still on the board, it means that a lot of the defensive guys we are targeting have already been picked. Move down, get a couple extra picks and we can still draft a Cb, DT, and LB and maybe a Safety too. There is no way you move up. Just think of how good our offense can be if our defense is good enough to hold people to a couple 3 and outs....and who knows what will happen if we ever get a defense that learns how to take the ball away from the other team.
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03-04-2008, 12:00 PM	#4
blackngold4877 Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Uptown Posts: 10	Re: McFadden at 10? Trade up? Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh have to agree with Boogro...you have to take an offer and trade down. We still need 3 or 4 more pieces to fix our defense and if we could acquire more picks to do it, then do it. Also, if McFadden is still on the board, it means that a lot of the defensive guys we are targeting have already been picked. Move down, get a couple extra picks and we can still draft a Cb, DT, and LB and maybe a Safety too. There is no way you move up. Just think of how good our offense can be if our defense is good enough to hold people to a couple 3 and outs....and who knows what will happen if we ever get a defense that learns how to take the ball away from the other team. I think you have to try and trade down at 10, and really there's no way Dallas won't trade up to 10 for McFadden but I honestly don't think he'll get by the Pats if he's there at 7. Trading down there would be a classic Belichick move, and don't think he wouldn't love the irony in getting 2 firsts back for that pick. Still in the event that McFadden is there at 10 and Dallas will swap their 2 firsts for him, the Saints can probably grab Brandon Flowers and Dan Connor in the first and help two major holes then grab Pat Sims at 40 to help DT and really call it an off season at that point.
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03-04-2008, 12:05 PM	#5
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	Re: McFadden at 10? Trade up? trading down and acquiring picks means the possiblilities are endless. The saints would be able to land a young CB, a young DT, and either a LB or TE or lineman to help add youth and then everyone is happy. Moving down makes the most sense for the long term growth of the team.