$30 million mistake?

biloxi-indian · 03-05-2008, 12:45 PM

Gay will have to learn from, not repeat CB David's mistakes

The Saints have made three additions to their defense since the free-agent signing period began Feb. 29, trading for Jets MLB Jonathan Vilma and signing a pair of unrestricted free agents — Patriots CB Randall Gay and Jaguars DE Bobby McCray. The addition of Gay has been viewed as a crucial move while New Orleans attempts to upgrade its 30th-ranked pass defense and he will likely bump Jason David from a starting CB spot to nickel back. David struggled mightily last season, his first with the Saints, playing in their man-to-man scheme after becoming accustomed to the comfort of the Colts’ cover-2 system. However, some wonder whether Gay, who played mostly zone in New England, will have a similar experience to that of David’s in his first season with the Saints. If Gay and David, whose contracts combine to be worth more than $30 million, cannot make a smooth adjustment in the Big Easy, the Saints will have a pair of pricey mistakes on their hands.

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SapperSaint · 03-05-2008, 12:56 PM

It sure does seem that way.

I thin I'm gonna get ssiicc

bobcat4u2 · 03-05-2008, 01:45 PM

with 2 cornerbacks that fit a "zone " system,good coaching suggests you adapt your defence to the platers.indy got to a super win with a cover 2 def.,why couldn't we.

SapperSaint · 03-05-2008, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by bobcat4u2

with 2 cornerbacks that fit a "zone " system,good coaching suggests you adapt your defence to the platers.indy got to a super win with a cover 2 def.,why couldn't we.

You do realize your talking about the Saints, right?

God love 'em, but when have they done something that made sense.

hagan714 · 03-05-2008, 02:21 PM

Nope. I see #1 as Young, Gay at #2 and #3 going to David as the roster stands today. Both David and Gay get the S and LB help they need and well Young is on the Island. He is the fastest we got.

biloxi-indian · 03-05-2008, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Nope. I see #1 as Young, Gay at #2 and #3 going to David as the roster stands today. Both David and Gay get the S and LB help they need and well Young is on the Island. He is the fastest we got.

hagan, I agree with your assessment...with the cavet as the roster stands today. However, as we get closer to cut down day...I can see a few CB's that will give the Saints choices. Not to mention, draft day(s).

What I am curious about is TE? Is Troupe in the mix...he is only a cut above what we had last year in Eric J (albeit Troupe is a bit healthier).

Kittykat · 03-05-2008, 02:41 PM

I refuse to buy into any negativity. I refuse to buy into any negativity. I refuse to buy into any negativity.

(And the first person to say that it's not negativity but REALITY gets a swift pop on their rear end!)

WVSaint · 03-05-2008, 02:41 PM

Every free agent that anyone picks up is a possible mistake. Thats just common knowledge. No one knows how players are gonna turn out in a certain system, but you put yourself in a position to improve and thats what we did.

biloxi-indian · 03-05-2008, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by WVSaint

Every free agent that anyone picks up is a possible mistake. Thats just common knowledge. No one knows how players are gonna turn out in a certain system, but you put yourself in a position to improve and thats what we did.

Accepted. However, I wonder if the new DB coach will change up the "system". The Saints now have two corners that come from teams that play a lot of zone schemes...and the Saints "have" played man coverage in the past.

The Saints safety play has to change!

BTW; I don't think MM will be available during 2008.

Euphoria · 03-05-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

Accepted. However, I wonder if the new DB coach will change up the "system". The Saints now have two corners that come from teams that play a lot of zone schemes...and the Saints "have" played man coverage in the past.

The Saints safety play has to change!

BTW; I don't think MM will be available during 2008.

I can answer that question... DB coach has very little to do with the changing of the system. All I know if he can't coach up our damn S and FS's we are still going to suck like last year. Those guys have got to play their assinments which FAILED horrible.

I don't recall seeing a whole lot of people calling these guys out so far but that was very much a huge problem. Rush maybe able to hide there crappyness though.

03-05-2008, 12:45 PM	#1
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	$30 million mistake? Gay will have to learn from, not repeat CB David's mistakes The Saints have made three additions to their defense since the free-agent signing period began Feb. 29, trading for Jets MLB Jonathan Vilma and signing a pair of unrestricted free agents — Patriots CB Randall Gay and Jaguars DE Bobby McCray. The addition of Gay has been viewed as a crucial move while New Orleans attempts to upgrade its 30th-ranked pass defense and he will likely bump Jason David from a starting CB spot to nickel back. David struggled mightily last season, his first with the Saints, playing in their man-to-man scheme after becoming accustomed to the comfort of the Colts’ cover-2 system. However, some wonder whether Gay, who played mostly zone in New England, will have a similar experience to that of David’s in his first season with the Saints. If Gay and David, whose contracts combine to be worth more than $30 million, cannot make a smooth adjustment in the Big Easy, the Saints will have a pair of pricey mistakes on their hands. The Way We Hear It - NFL pro football rumors and insider news from Pro Football Weekly
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bobcat4u2 Registered Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 71	Re: $30 million mistake? with 2 cornerbacks that fit a "zone " system,good coaching suggests you adapt your defence to the platers.indy got to a super win with a cover 2 def.,why couldn't we.
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03-05-2008, 02:00 PM	#4
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: $30 million mistake? Originally Posted by bobcat4u2 with 2 cornerbacks that fit a "zone " system,good coaching suggests you adapt your defence to the platers.indy got to a super win with a cover 2 def.,why couldn't we. You do realize your talking about the Saints, right? God love 'em, but when have they done something that made sense.

03-05-2008, 02:21 PM	#5
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: $30 million mistake? Nope. I see #1 as Young, Gay at #2 and #3 going to David as the roster stands today. Both David and Gay get the S and LB help they need and well Young is on the Island. He is the fastest we got.

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biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: $30 million mistake? Originally Posted by hagan714 Nope. I see #1 as Young, Gay at #2 and #3 going to David as the roster stands today. Both David and Gay get the S and LB help they need and well Young is on the Island. He is the fastest we got. hagan, I agree with your assessment...with the cavet as the roster stands today. However, as we get closer to cut down day...I can see a few CB's that will give the Saints choices. Not to mention, draft day(s). What I am curious about is TE? Is Troupe in the mix...he is only a cut above what we had last year in Eric J (albeit Troupe is a bit healthier).

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biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: $30 million mistake? Originally Posted by WVSaint Every free agent that anyone picks up is a possible mistake. Thats just common knowledge. No one knows how players are gonna turn out in a certain system, but you put yourself in a position to improve and thats what we did. Accepted. However, I wonder if the new DB coach will change up the "system". The Saints now have two corners that come from teams that play a lot of zone schemes...and the Saints "have" played man coverage in the past. The Saints safety play has to change! BTW; I don't think MM will be available during 2008.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: $30 million mistake? Originally Posted by biloxi-indian Accepted. However, I wonder if the new DB coach will change up the "system". The Saints now have two corners that come from teams that play a lot of zone schemes...and the Saints "have" played man coverage in the past. The Saints safety play has to change! BTW; I don't think MM will be available during 2008. I can answer that question... DB coach has very little to do with the changing of the system. All I know if he can't coach up our damn S and FS's we are still going to suck like last year. Those guys have got to play their assinments which FAILED horrible. I don't recall seeing a whole lot of people calling these guys out so far but that was very much a huge problem. Rush maybe able to hide there crappyness though.