The Truth About Reggie

SVSaint · 03-17-2008, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Well I will disagree that his "value" has yet to be determine. His value is exactaly what he gets paid. He brings a lot of fan base and attention to a team that needed it at the time. His Dollar vaule is also based on seats and jerseys - not for what he does on the field only, obviously off the field as well.

Again we get exactly what we drafted and paid for.

What is funny to me is that all the expectaions people have are FALSE! He is going to be the player he was in college. All of a sudden you are going to turn him into a RB or a WR??? come one... he's exactly the same Reggie. USC - NFL, he crossed over to the same player he was and will always be, a roll player and nothing more.

Role player or not at USC he was VERY productive and that is what people were looking at when he was coming out. I agree that he created excitement and is putting money in the team's pockets and I am sure that played alot into the decision to draft him along with his productivity. I really think it is too early to tell but he has not lived up to the hype but he hasn't been totally unproductive either.

WVSaint · 03-17-2008, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by bobad

I doubt we will ever get our money's worth out of him.

The Saints are still in New Orleans and I dont hear much talk of us leaving these days, hes a big reason why. If the Saints dont leave the city Id say we got our moneys worth.

Papa Voodoo · 03-17-2008, 05:40 PM

Why don't we start him at WR (slot)? Run him some too, but make him a receiver. Makes sense to me since he's better catching than running. Let Pierre, Stecker, and Deuce run the rock with a splash of Karney.

Euphoria · 03-17-2008, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Why don't we start him at WR (slot)? Run him some too, but make him a receiver. Makes sense to me since he's better catching than running. Let Pierre, Stecker, and Deuce run the rock with a splash of Karney.

Thats exactly what they do and when they do that people say, well they aren't using him properly.

saintsfan1976 · 03-17-2008, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

USC - NFL, he crossed over to the same player he was and will always be, a roll player and nothing more.

A role player is exactly what he was drafted to be. Payton saw him fitting in at multiple positions to give the defense headaches. The problem is that Reggie's been asked to fill too many roles. PR KR WR RB. And he should NEVER have been meant to be a feature back, but thanks to Deuce's injury that's where he landed.

We can all debate about whether or not he's worth the $$$ but the bottom line is that he's done everything that's been asked of him. He's played everything but defense. That's where the "value" comes from in my book.

It's true that Reggie Bush has brought more to the team and the city off the field than he has on the field. But when he's on the field he's dangerous. Plain and simple. This is the year for him.

foreverfan · 03-17-2008, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by WVSaint

The Saints are still in New Orleans and I dont hear much talk of us leaving these days, hes a big reason why. If the Saints dont leave the city Id say we got our moneys worth.

Al Bundy with the post of the day!!!

Bush will can gain 1800 all purpose yards in a season and he will still be considered a bust by the media.

Imagine that.

Euphoria · 03-17-2008, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

A role player is exactly what he was drafted to be. Payton saw him fitting in at multiple positions to give the defense headaches. The problem is that Reggie's been asked to fill too many roles. PR KR WR RB. And he should NEVER have been meant to be a feature back, but thanks to Deuce's injury that's where he landed.

We can all debate about whether or not he's worth the $$$ but the bottom line is that he's done everything that's been asked of him. He's played everything but defense. That's where the "value" comes from in my book.

It's true that Reggie Bush has brought more to the team and the city off the field than he has on the field. But when he's on the field he's dangerous. Plain and simple. This is the year for him.

I tend to think we agree on this topic however you contridicted yourself by agreeing he is a role player but then stated he is being asked to do to much... he is asked to play those roles... as a role player. That is what a role player does. "Play this role and make something happen"!

I do agree being the feature back was NEVER the intention nor should anyone thing that... yet they do.

dasaints26 · 03-17-2008, 10:31 PM

According to that Yahoo thing Reggies value was gaining 998 yds in 12 games. Not the focal point of an offense but good enough for 80 yds a game some of which he might have been hurt. With Reggies 73 catches and his 5.7 YPC he was not utilized correctly. Alot of those catches were thrown to him at the line of scrimage as a dump-off for Brees. I'm sure those LBs were happy to see Bush standing at the line waiting for that pass instead of running past them getting into open space.
Just like many teams in the NFL our offense is not just a one-man show. We have alot of weapons and alot of ways to spread the field and Bush greatly helps with that. If we ever get to see that play action fake to Deuce with Reggie being covered by a LB with the pass being thrown to Reggie while he is on the move it will be worth the price of admission.
I think about that pass against the Bears in the NFC championship game and they should try a play like that every game. I dont know the numbers but he has caught alot of passes in his 2 years and that has to be included like Westbrook when you look at his value. Reggie you can run him and call any pass route then have him do it that is his value.

BRSaintsFan · 03-17-2008, 11:22 PM

He will develop. The thing that I have not seen mentioned about Reggie is that defenses must devise schemes to limit him even last year when he had a sub par season. I think this is a big contribution to what makes our passing game even better. You must account for Bush whenever he is on the field or risk a home run play. You must commit defenders to him and in addition, defenders tend to gravitate to Reggie. This opens up room for Colston to bully around CBs and for Patten to get open. It gives Brees more time and limits the blitz schemes you can play against us. You can not afford to blitz too often and leave Reggie open in the flat. We all know he has the talent and I think he has the heart. He is still a kid and needs to learn to deal with the pressure and criticism put upon him. And most importantly, he needs to learn that he does not need to win the game by himself. He does not need to look for the big play each and every touch he has. Patience is a virtue that Reggie needs to and will learn.

foreverfan · 03-17-2008, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by bobad

Agreed.

I have no problems at all with Reggie except for his salary. No way we should be paying that much for a utility back. No other team ever has. In fact, utility backs are usually pretty low on the pay scale. We can still get some good seasons out of Reggie, but I doubt we will ever get our money's worth out of him.

Why this statement is so wrong.
Reggie is so much more than a 3rd down utility back. That's insane to even say such a thing. He has proven he can be an 1500-1800 all purpose yard guy. He can get 600 running, 800 receiving and more returning kicks. Reggie problem is hype. He not the second coming... yet.

From the Saints Site.
Bush lived up to his draft billing with a memorable rookie season that was nothing short of sensational. The multitalented running back earned All-Rookie accolades after posting 1,523 total yards – 729 receiving, 565 rushing and 216 in punt returns – and scoring nine touchdowns.

Are we asking Reggie to do too much?
He's been asked to play RB, WR, HB, PR, KR and waterboy. He has a lot of hype to live up to. He was pressing too hard and trying to carry the whole team on his shoulders. He tried to take his game to the NFL instead of letting the NFL come to Reggie Bush.

Don't underestimating his value to the team.
Just by being on the field, he creates problems for the defense by exposing zones and forcing coverages, keeping defenses honest and as GREAT safety valve for Brees. Reggie Bush is maturing. The kid has amazing talent and it's just a matter of time before he hits his stride. Last year was the typical 2nd year blues. Most players take 3 years. He has just scratched the surface of his amazing talent. If you can't see that, you are not looking or blind. Besides, his true value cannot be measured in yards per game, but what he brings to the entire offense and game plan.

While he hasn't lived up to his superstar status, he has played at a very high level and you can't challenge his heart.

Were you expecting the next coming of JC?
What a difference a year makes. I learned to walk and talk in just one year.

03-17-2008, 05:17 PM	#21
SVSaint Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by Euphoria Well I will disagree that his "value" has yet to be determine. His value is exactaly what he gets paid. He brings a lot of fan base and attention to a team that needed it at the time. His Dollar vaule is also based on seats and jerseys - not for what he does on the field only, obviously off the field as well. Again we get exactly what we drafted and paid for. What is funny to me is that all the expectaions people have are FALSE! He is going to be the player he was in college. All of a sudden you are going to turn him into a RB or a WR??? come one... he's exactly the same Reggie. USC - NFL, he crossed over to the same player he was and will always be, a roll player and nothing more. Role player or not at USC he was VERY productive and that is what people were looking at when he was coming out. I agree that he created excitement and is putting money in the team's pockets and I am sure that played alot into the decision to draft him along with his productivity. I really think it is too early to tell but he has not lived up to the hype but he hasn't been totally unproductive either.
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03-17-2008, 05:27 PM	#22
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by bobad I doubt we will ever get our money's worth out of him. The Saints are still in New Orleans and I dont hear much talk of us leaving these days, hes a big reason why. If the Saints dont leave the city Id say we got our moneys worth.

03-17-2008, 05:40 PM	#23
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: The Truth About Reggie Why don't we start him at WR (slot)? Run him some too, but make him a receiver. Makes sense to me since he's better catching than running. Let Pierre, Stecker, and Deuce run the rock with a splash of Karney.

03-17-2008, 06:06 PM	#24
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Why don't we start him at WR (slot)? Run him some too, but make him a receiver. Makes sense to me since he's better catching than running. Let Pierre, Stecker, and Deuce run the rock with a splash of Karney. Thats exactly what they do and when they do that people say, well they aren't using him properly.

03-17-2008, 06:26 PM	#25
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,849 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by Euphoria USC - NFL, he crossed over to the same player he was and will always be, a roll player and nothing more. A role player is exactly what he was drafted to be. Payton saw him fitting in at multiple positions to give the defense headaches. The problem is that Reggie's been asked to fill too many roles. PR KR WR RB. And he should NEVER have been meant to be a feature back, but thanks to Deuce's injury that's where he landed. We can all debate about whether or not he's worth the $$$ but the bottom line is that he's done everything that's been asked of him. He's played everything but defense. That's where the "value" comes from in my book. It's true that Reggie Bush has brought more to the team and the city off the field than he has on the field. But when he's on the field he's dangerous. Plain and simple. This is the year for him.

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03-17-2008, 06:50 PM	#26
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by WVSaint The Saints are still in New Orleans and I dont hear much talk of us leaving these days, hes a big reason why. If the Saints dont leave the city Id say we got our moneys worth. Al Bundy with the post of the day!!! Bush will can gain 1800 all purpose yards in a season and he will still be considered a bust by the media. Imagine that.

03-17-2008, 06:56 PM	#27
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 A role player is exactly what he was drafted to be. Payton saw him fitting in at multiple positions to give the defense headaches. The problem is that Reggie's been asked to fill too many roles. PR KR WR RB. And he should NEVER have been meant to be a feature back, but thanks to Deuce's injury that's where he landed. We can all debate about whether or not he's worth the $$$ but the bottom line is that he's done everything that's been asked of him. He's played everything but defense. That's where the "value" comes from in my book. It's true that Reggie Bush has brought more to the team and the city off the field than he has on the field. But when he's on the field he's dangerous. Plain and simple. This is the year for him. I tend to think we agree on this topic however you contridicted yourself by agreeing he is a role player but then stated he is being asked to do to much... he is asked to play those roles... as a role player. That is what a role player does. "Play this role and make something happen"! I do agree being the feature back was NEVER the intention nor should anyone thing that... yet they do.

03-17-2008, 10:31 PM	#28
dasaints26 100th Post Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 167	Re: The Truth About Reggie According to that Yahoo thing Reggies value was gaining 998 yds in 12 games. Not the focal point of an offense but good enough for 80 yds a game some of which he might have been hurt. With Reggies 73 catches and his 5.7 YPC he was not utilized correctly. Alot of those catches were thrown to him at the line of scrimage as a dump-off for Brees. I'm sure those LBs were happy to see Bush standing at the line waiting for that pass instead of running past them getting into open space. Just like many teams in the NFL our offense is not just a one-man show. We have alot of weapons and alot of ways to spread the field and Bush greatly helps with that. If we ever get to see that play action fake to Deuce with Reggie being covered by a LB with the pass being thrown to Reggie while he is on the move it will be worth the price of admission. I think about that pass against the Bears in the NFC championship game and they should try a play like that every game. I dont know the numbers but he has caught alot of passes in his 2 years and that has to be included like Westbrook when you look at his value. Reggie you can run him and call any pass route then have him do it that is his value.
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03-17-2008, 11:22 PM	#29
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: The Truth About Reggie He will develop. The thing that I have not seen mentioned about Reggie is that defenses must devise schemes to limit him even last year when he had a sub par season. I think this is a big contribution to what makes our passing game even better. You must account for Bush whenever he is on the field or risk a home run play. You must commit defenders to him and in addition, defenders tend to gravitate to Reggie. This opens up room for Colston to bully around CBs and for Patten to get open. It gives Brees more time and limits the blitz schemes you can play against us. You can not afford to blitz too often and leave Reggie open in the flat. We all know he has the talent and I think he has the heart. He is still a kid and needs to learn to deal with the pressure and criticism put upon him. And most importantly, he needs to learn that he does not need to win the game by himself. He does not need to look for the big play each and every touch he has. Patience is a virtue that Reggie needs to and will learn.

03-17-2008, 11:40 PM	#30
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by bobad Agreed. I have no problems at all with Reggie except for his salary. No way we should be paying that much for a utility back. No other team ever has. In fact, utility backs are usually pretty low on the pay scale. We can still get some good seasons out of Reggie, but I doubt we will ever get our money's worth out of him. Why this statement is so wrong. Reggie is so much more than a 3rd down utility back. That's insane to even say such a thing. He has proven he can be an 1500-1800 all purpose yard guy. He can get 600 running, 800 receiving and more returning kicks. Reggie problem is hype. He not the second coming... yet. From the Saints Site. Bush lived up to his draft billing with a memorable rookie season that was nothing short of sensational. The multitalented running back earned All-Rookie accolades after posting 1,523 total yards – 729 receiving, 565 rushing and 216 in punt returns – and scoring nine touchdowns. Are we asking Reggie to do too much? He's been asked to play RB, WR, HB, PR, KR and waterboy. He has a lot of hype to live up to. He was pressing too hard and trying to carry the whole team on his shoulders. He tried to take his game to the NFL instead of letting the NFL come to Reggie Bush. Don't underestimating his value to the team. Just by being on the field, he creates problems for the defense by exposing zones and forcing coverages, keeping defenses honest and as GREAT safety valve for Brees. Reggie Bush is maturing. The kid has amazing talent and it's just a matter of time before he hits his stride. Last year was the typical 2nd year blues. Most players take 3 years. He has just scratched the surface of his amazing talent. If you can't see that, you are not looking or blind. Besides, his true value cannot be measured in yards per game, but what he brings to the entire offense and game plan. While he hasn't lived up to his superstar status, he has played at a very high level and you can't challenge his heart. Were you expecting the next coming of JC? What a difference a year makes. I learned to walk and talk in just one year.
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