The Truth About Reggie

saintsfan1976 · 03-17-2008, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by bobad

Agreed.

I have no problems at all with Reggie except for his salary. No way we should be paying that much for a utility back. No other team ever has. In fact, utility backs are usually pretty low on the pay scale. We can still get some good seasons out of Reggie, but I doubt we will ever get our money's worth out of him.

...and no other team was willing to trade up to our #2 to get him because of that very reason.

Now the flip side of the coin is that we do have one of the most "gifted" and "talented" RB/WR... slot/scat..utility... "whatever he's been asked to do" players that's out there. His value is still yet to be determined and we're only going into his third year.

WVSaint · 03-17-2008, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by bobad

I doubt we will ever get our money's worth out of him.

The Saints are still in New Orleans and I dont hear much talk of us leaving these days, hes a big reason why. If the Saints dont leave the city Id say we got our moneys worth.

foreverfan · 03-17-2008, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by WVSaint

The Saints are still in New Orleans and I dont hear much talk of us leaving these days, hes a big reason why. If the Saints dont leave the city Id say we got our moneys worth.

Al Bundy with the post of the day!!!

Bush will can gain 1800 all purpose yards in a season and he will still be considered a bust by the media.

Imagine that.

foreverfan · 03-17-2008, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by bobad

Agreed.

I have no problems at all with Reggie except for his salary. No way we should be paying that much for a utility back. No other team ever has. In fact, utility backs are usually pretty low on the pay scale. We can still get some good seasons out of Reggie, but I doubt we will ever get our money's worth out of him.

Why this statement is so wrong.
Reggie is so much more than a 3rd down utility back. That's insane to even say such a thing. He has proven he can be an 1500-1800 all purpose yard guy. He can get 600 running, 800 receiving and more returning kicks. Reggie problem is hype. He not the second coming... yet.

From the Saints Site.
Bush lived up to his draft billing with a memorable rookie season that was nothing short of sensational. The multitalented running back earned All-Rookie accolades after posting 1,523 total yards – 729 receiving, 565 rushing and 216 in punt returns – and scoring nine touchdowns.

Are we asking Reggie to do too much?
He's been asked to play RB, WR, HB, PR, KR and waterboy. He has a lot of hype to live up to. He was pressing too hard and trying to carry the whole team on his shoulders. He tried to take his game to the NFL instead of letting the NFL come to Reggie Bush.

Don't underestimating his value to the team.
Just by being on the field, he creates problems for the defense by exposing zones and forcing coverages, keeping defenses honest and as GREAT safety valve for Brees. Reggie Bush is maturing. The kid has amazing talent and it's just a matter of time before he hits his stride. Last year was the typical 2nd year blues. Most players take 3 years. He has just scratched the surface of his amazing talent. If you can't see that, you are not looking or blind. Besides, his true value cannot be measured in yards per game, but what he brings to the entire offense and game plan.

While he hasn't lived up to his superstar status, he has played at a very high level and you can't challenge his heart.

Were you expecting the next coming of JC?
What a difference a year makes. I learned to walk and talk in just one year.

Boutte · 03-17-2008, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by thesaintsfan

Reggie has the skill set to be great

I think the opposite is true. He has the talent but lacks the proper skills. Great speed an agility are god given talents, knowing when slow up and allow a play to develope or when to put your head down and take 3 or 4 yards instead of losing 1st down yardage because you tried to break the long one are learned skills. If Reggie can learn the skills he'll be a great one. Otherwise he'll just be another coulda, woulda, shoulda.

beauchristopher · 03-17-2008, 12:48 PM

No way did I ever want Vince Young.. we signed Brees. that would of been awful..

Bush had a stellar first year.. and last season the entire team sucked in general.. Look for the best year for Reggie's pro life in 08'. I am predicting Pro Bowl season for Bush.

Euphoria · 03-17-2008, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by beauchristopher

No way did I ever want Vince Young.. we signed Brees. that would of been awful..

Bush had a stellar first year.. and last season the entire team sucked in general.. Look for the best year for Reggie's pro life in 08'. I am predicting Pro Bowl season for Bush.

PRO BOWL!?!?
Based on what? As a WR? KR? RB (of which he'll split carries with because he isn't good enough to do it all by himself)?

rjakapeanut · 03-17-2008, 01:49 PM

RB. compared to other players like him, the 3rd season is the charm

. pro bowl RB Reggie Bush.

Euphoria · 03-17-2008, 03:08 PM

all very intelligent points.

JigsawofPoker · 03-17-2008, 03:19 PM

If Warrick Dunn could make a career in the NFL, I KNOW Reggie can. Dunn is 5"9, 187. Reggie is 5"11, 203. Reggie is listed at 6"0 but everyone who's seen him says he's a tad shy of 6 feet. So he's taller AND weighs more than someone who has rushed for over 10,000 yards and averages 4.1/carry over a 10 year career. He's also faster than Dunn, and a lot more shifty.

So what's the difference? Well.. Bush doesn't follow blockers as well. Those are things that can be corrected. Granted, it's taken way too long to get them corrected up until this point. Eventually, he'll get it though. Trial and error is underrated as a means of teaching people things.

If a kid touches a hot stove, he probably won't touch it again. The NFL learning curve is a little bit more complex than that - however, he has wayyyyy too much physical talent, good coaching, and determination to not "eventually" get it corrected.

I would give him another full year, maybe two as the starting RB. If he's not producing 1,200 yard + seasons by the end of 09, then you can officially call him a bust - but not yet.

03-17-2008, 03:54 PM	#1
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,037 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by bobad Agreed. I have no problems at all with Reggie except for his salary. No way we should be paying that much for a utility back. No other team ever has. In fact, utility backs are usually pretty low on the pay scale. We can still get some good seasons out of Reggie, but I doubt we will ever get our money's worth out of him. ...and no other team was willing to trade up to our #2 to get him because of that very reason. Now the flip side of the coin is that we do have one of the most "gifted" and "talented" RB/WR... slot/scat..utility... "whatever he's been asked to do" players that's out there. His value is still yet to be determined and we're only going into his third year.

03-17-2008, 05:50 PM	#3
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by WVSaint The Saints are still in New Orleans and I dont hear much talk of us leaving these days, hes a big reason why. If the Saints dont leave the city Id say we got our moneys worth. Al Bundy with the post of the day!!! Bush will can gain 1800 all purpose yards in a season and he will still be considered a bust by the media. Imagine that.

03-17-2008, 10:40 PM	#4
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by bobad Agreed. I have no problems at all with Reggie except for his salary. No way we should be paying that much for a utility back. No other team ever has. In fact, utility backs are usually pretty low on the pay scale. We can still get some good seasons out of Reggie, but I doubt we will ever get our money's worth out of him. Why this statement is so wrong. Reggie is so much more than a 3rd down utility back. That's insane to even say such a thing. He has proven he can be an 1500-1800 all purpose yard guy. He can get 600 running, 800 receiving and more returning kicks. Reggie problem is hype. He not the second coming... yet. From the Saints Site. Bush lived up to his draft billing with a memorable rookie season that was nothing short of sensational. The multitalented running back earned All-Rookie accolades after posting 1,523 total yards – 729 receiving, 565 rushing and 216 in punt returns – and scoring nine touchdowns. Are we asking Reggie to do too much? He's been asked to play RB, WR, HB, PR, KR and waterboy. He has a lot of hype to live up to. He was pressing too hard and trying to carry the whole team on his shoulders. He tried to take his game to the NFL instead of letting the NFL come to Reggie Bush. Don't underestimating his value to the team. Just by being on the field, he creates problems for the defense by exposing zones and forcing coverages, keeping defenses honest and as GREAT safety valve for Brees. Reggie Bush is maturing. The kid has amazing talent and it's just a matter of time before he hits his stride. Last year was the typical 2nd year blues. Most players take 3 years. He has just scratched the surface of his amazing talent. If you can't see that, you are not looking or blind. Besides, his true value cannot be measured in yards per game, but what he brings to the entire offense and game plan. While he hasn't lived up to his superstar status, he has played at a very high level and you can't challenge his heart. Were you expecting the next coming of JC? What a difference a year makes. I learned to walk and talk in just one year.
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03-17-2008, 12:04 PM	#5
Boutte Site Donor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Belle Chasse Posts: 1,701	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by thesaintsfan Reggie has the skill set to be great I think the opposite is true. He has the talent but lacks the proper skills. Great speed an agility are god given talents, knowing when slow up and allow a play to develope or when to put your head down and take 3 or 4 yards instead of losing 1st down yardage because you tried to break the long one are learned skills. If Reggie can learn the skills he'll be a great one. Otherwise he'll just be another coulda, woulda, shoulda.

03-17-2008, 12:48 PM	#6
beauchristopher 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 227	Re: The Truth About Reggie No way did I ever want Vince Young.. we signed Brees. that would of been awful.. Bush had a stellar first year.. and last season the entire team sucked in general.. Look for the best year for Reggie's pro life in 08'. I am predicting Pro Bowl season for Bush.

03-17-2008, 04:27 PM	#2
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by bobad I doubt we will ever get our money's worth out of him. The Saints are still in New Orleans and I dont hear much talk of us leaving these days, hes a big reason why. If the Saints dont leave the city Id say we got our moneys worth.

03-17-2008, 01:48 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by beauchristopher No way did I ever want Vince Young.. we signed Brees. that would of been awful.. Bush had a stellar first year.. and last season the entire team sucked in general.. Look for the best year for Reggie's pro life in 08'. I am predicting Pro Bowl season for Bush. PRO BOWL!?!? Based on what? As a WR? KR? RB (of which he'll split carries with because he isn't good enough to do it all by himself)?

03-17-2008, 01:49 PM	#8
rjakapeanut 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 204	Re: The Truth About Reggie RB. compared to other players like him, the 3rd season is the charm . pro bowl RB Reggie Bush.
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03-17-2008, 03:08 PM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Truth About Reggie all very intelligent points.

03-17-2008, 03:19 PM	#10
JigsawofPoker Rookie Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 10	Re: The Truth About Reggie If Warrick Dunn could make a career in the NFL, I KNOW Reggie can. Dunn is 5"9, 187. Reggie is 5"11, 203. Reggie is listed at 6"0 but everyone who's seen him says he's a tad shy of 6 feet. So he's taller AND weighs more than someone who has rushed for over 10,000 yards and averages 4.1/carry over a 10 year career. He's also faster than Dunn, and a lot more shifty. So what's the difference? Well.. Bush doesn't follow blockers as well. Those are things that can be corrected. Granted, it's taken way too long to get them corrected up until this point. Eventually, he'll get it though. Trial and error is underrated as a means of teaching people things. If a kid touches a hot stove, he probably won't touch it again. The NFL learning curve is a little bit more complex than that - however, he has wayyyyy too much physical talent, good coaching, and determination to not "eventually" get it corrected. I would give him another full year, maybe two as the starting RB. If he's not producing 1,200 yard + seasons by the end of 09, then you can officially call him a bust - but not yet.
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