The Truth About Reggie

Euphoria · 03-17-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by beauchristopher

No way did I ever want Vince Young.. we signed Brees. that would of been awful..

Bush had a stellar first year.. and last season the entire team sucked in general.. Look for the best year for Reggie's pro life in 08'. I am predicting Pro Bowl season for Bush.

PRO BOWL!?!?
Based on what? As a WR? KR? RB (of which he'll split carries with because he isn't good enough to do it all by himself)?

rjakapeanut · 03-17-2008, 02:49 PM

RB. compared to other players like him, the 3rd season is the charm

. pro bowl RB Reggie Bush.

pranksterjd · 03-17-2008, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Donuts32

Euph that was pretty harsh. But I have to disagree. He isnt used properly. Payton really isnt using Reggie Bush like Westbrook or Faulk. I think he can carry a team on his back. He had 581 rushing yds in the 07 -08 season which I know isnt alot of yards but I believe if he wasnt injured his yards total would have been higher. Besides when Reggie was playing Payton called more passing plays than running plays.

A red flag with Reggie in '07 wasn't the totals, so much as it was the 3.7 ypc. That is really not good ( at all ), and showed that, right now, he's not a guy that can run effectively between the tackles as a feature back.

Reggie Bush seems to be the prototypical guy that needs to get the ball in open space to make the home run plays that he was famous for in college. Pitches, screens, etc. are the key to this kid. Once he learns a bit more, maybe he can play a more featured role, but right now I wouldn't be confident in him without a "thunder" back to his "lightning".

bobad · 03-17-2008, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by pranksterjd

A red flag with Reggie in '07 wasn't the totals, so much as it was the 3.7 ypc. ...I wouldn't be confident in him without a "thunder" back to his "lightning".

Agreed.

I have no problems at all with Reggie except for his salary. No way we should be paying that much for a utility back. No other team ever has. In fact, utility backs are usually pretty low on the pay scale. We can still get some good seasons out of Reggie, but I doubt we will ever get our money's worth out of him.

Euphoria · 03-17-2008, 04:08 PM

all very intelligent points.

JigsawofPoker · 03-17-2008, 04:19 PM

If Warrick Dunn could make a career in the NFL, I KNOW Reggie can. Dunn is 5"9, 187. Reggie is 5"11, 203. Reggie is listed at 6"0 but everyone who's seen him says he's a tad shy of 6 feet. So he's taller AND weighs more than someone who has rushed for over 10,000 yards and averages 4.1/carry over a 10 year career. He's also faster than Dunn, and a lot more shifty.

So what's the difference? Well.. Bush doesn't follow blockers as well. Those are things that can be corrected. Granted, it's taken way too long to get them corrected up until this point. Eventually, he'll get it though. Trial and error is underrated as a means of teaching people things.

If a kid touches a hot stove, he probably won't touch it again. The NFL learning curve is a little bit more complex than that - however, he has wayyyyy too much physical talent, good coaching, and determination to not "eventually" get it corrected.

I would give him another full year, maybe two as the starting RB. If he's not producing 1,200 yard + seasons by the end of 09, then you can officially call him a bust - but not yet.

SVSaint · 03-17-2008, 04:53 PM

I have always felt that Reggie does a pretty good job when running between the tackles. It has always irked me when I see so many people say that he CANT do it. It seemed to me that every game Reggie would bust a few runs up the middle and get pretty good yardage. So I went to Yahoo's page that has situational stats on all players, and what do you know Reggie's YPC average for 2007 was 4.4 when running up the middle. I also noticed that this was up from 2006 where is YPC up the middle was at 2.6. I think for 2006 it was an actual fact that he was not effective when running between the tackles, but he actually improved in that aspect for 2007.

Link to Yahoo Situational Stats

Reggie Bush - New Orleans Saints - Situational Statistics - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

saintsfan1976 · 03-17-2008, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by bobad

Agreed.

I have no problems at all with Reggie except for his salary. No way we should be paying that much for a utility back. No other team ever has. In fact, utility backs are usually pretty low on the pay scale. We can still get some good seasons out of Reggie, but I doubt we will ever get our money's worth out of him.

...and no other team was willing to trade up to our #2 to get him because of that very reason.

Now the flip side of the coin is that we do have one of the most "gifted" and "talented" RB/WR... slot/scat..utility... "whatever he's been asked to do" players that's out there. His value is still yet to be determined and we're only going into his third year.

SVSaint · 03-17-2008, 05:10 PM

I always read about how Reggie is incapable of running between the tackles and it irks me because it seems to me that every game Reggie hits a few runs up between the tackles and gets good yardage. It seems to me that Reggie gets in trouble when trying to bounce it out and outrun the defense. So I went to yahoo sports and checked out Reggies situational states and what do you know Reggie's highest YPC is when he runs between the tackles, up the middle in particular with a 4.4 YPC average. Between the tackles he is right at 4 YPC or 3.966666666666 YPC. As I stated above he gets in trouble when trying to go Wide Left or Wide Right where he is at 3.4 and 3.0 YPC respectively. Believe it or not Reggie has improved running between the tackles because in 2006 he only averaged 2.6 YPC when rushing up the Middle and a total YPC between the tackles of 2.966666 YPC. I linked to the situational stats below for you guys to see.

Reggie Bush - New Orleans Saints - Situational Statistics - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Sorry this seems like a duplicate of the one below but the same message, my computer was acting up.

Euphoria · 03-17-2008, 05:12 PM

Well I will disagree that his "value" has yet to be determine. His value is exactaly what he gets paid. He brings a lot of fan base and attention to a team that needed it at the time. His Dollar vaule is also based on seats and jerseys - not for what he does on the field only, obviously off the field as well.

Again we get exactly what we drafted and paid for.

What is funny to me is that all the expectaions people have are FALSE! He is going to be the player he was in college. All of a sudden you are going to turn him into a RB or a WR??? come one... he's exactly the same Reggie. USC - NFL, he crossed over to the same player he was and will always be, a roll player and nothing more.

03-17-2008, 02:48 PM	#11
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by beauchristopher No way did I ever want Vince Young.. we signed Brees. that would of been awful.. Bush had a stellar first year.. and last season the entire team sucked in general.. Look for the best year for Reggie's pro life in 08'. I am predicting Pro Bowl season for Bush. PRO BOWL!?!? Based on what? As a WR? KR? RB (of which he'll split carries with because he isn't good enough to do it all by himself)?

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rjakapeanut 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 204	Re: The Truth About Reggie RB. compared to other players like him, the 3rd season is the charm . pro bowl RB Reggie Bush.
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03-17-2008, 02:53 PM	#13
pranksterjd Rookie Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by Donuts32 Euph that was pretty harsh. But I have to disagree. He isnt used properly. Payton really isnt using Reggie Bush like Westbrook or Faulk. I think he can carry a team on his back. He had 581 rushing yds in the 07 -08 season which I know isnt alot of yards but I believe if he wasnt injured his yards total would have been higher. Besides when Reggie was playing Payton called more passing plays than running plays. A red flag with Reggie in '07 wasn't the totals, so much as it was the 3.7 ypc. That is really not good ( at all ), and showed that, right now, he's not a guy that can run effectively between the tackles as a feature back. Reggie Bush seems to be the prototypical guy that needs to get the ball in open space to make the home run plays that he was famous for in college. Pitches, screens, etc. are the key to this kid. Once he learns a bit more, maybe he can play a more featured role, but right now I wouldn't be confident in him without a "thunder" back to his "lightning".
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03-17-2008, 03:36 PM	#14
bobad 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 247	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by pranksterjd A red flag with Reggie in '07 wasn't the totals, so much as it was the 3.7 ypc. ...I wouldn't be confident in him without a "thunder" back to his "lightning". Agreed. I have no problems at all with Reggie except for his salary. No way we should be paying that much for a utility back. No other team ever has. In fact, utility backs are usually pretty low on the pay scale. We can still get some good seasons out of Reggie, but I doubt we will ever get our money's worth out of him.
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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Truth About Reggie all very intelligent points.

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JigsawofPoker Rookie Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 10	Re: The Truth About Reggie If Warrick Dunn could make a career in the NFL, I KNOW Reggie can. Dunn is 5"9, 187. Reggie is 5"11, 203. Reggie is listed at 6"0 but everyone who's seen him says he's a tad shy of 6 feet. So he's taller AND weighs more than someone who has rushed for over 10,000 yards and averages 4.1/carry over a 10 year career. He's also faster than Dunn, and a lot more shifty. So what's the difference? Well.. Bush doesn't follow blockers as well. Those are things that can be corrected. Granted, it's taken way too long to get them corrected up until this point. Eventually, he'll get it though. Trial and error is underrated as a means of teaching people things. If a kid touches a hot stove, he probably won't touch it again. The NFL learning curve is a little bit more complex than that - however, he has wayyyyy too much physical talent, good coaching, and determination to not "eventually" get it corrected. I would give him another full year, maybe two as the starting RB. If he's not producing 1,200 yard + seasons by the end of 09, then you can officially call him a bust - but not yet.
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03-17-2008, 04:53 PM	#17
SVSaint Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3	Re: The Truth About Reggie I have always felt that Reggie does a pretty good job when running between the tackles. It has always irked me when I see so many people say that he CANT do it. It seemed to me that every game Reggie would bust a few runs up the middle and get pretty good yardage. So I went to Yahoo's page that has situational stats on all players, and what do you know Reggie's YPC average for 2007 was 4.4 when running up the middle. I also noticed that this was up from 2006 where is YPC up the middle was at 2.6. I think for 2006 it was an actual fact that he was not effective when running between the tackles, but he actually improved in that aspect for 2007. Link to Yahoo Situational Stats Reggie Bush - New Orleans Saints - Situational Statistics - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
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03-17-2008, 04:54 PM	#18
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The Truth About Reggie Originally Posted by bobad Agreed. I have no problems at all with Reggie except for his salary. No way we should be paying that much for a utility back. No other team ever has. In fact, utility backs are usually pretty low on the pay scale. We can still get some good seasons out of Reggie, but I doubt we will ever get our money's worth out of him. ...and no other team was willing to trade up to our #2 to get him because of that very reason. Now the flip side of the coin is that we do have one of the most "gifted" and "talented" RB/WR... slot/scat..utility... "whatever he's been asked to do" players that's out there. His value is still yet to be determined and we're only going into his third year.

03-17-2008, 05:10 PM	#19
SVSaint Rookie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3	Re: The Truth About Reggie I always read about how Reggie is incapable of running between the tackles and it irks me because it seems to me that every game Reggie hits a few runs up between the tackles and gets good yardage. It seems to me that Reggie gets in trouble when trying to bounce it out and outrun the defense. So I went to yahoo sports and checked out Reggies situational states and what do you know Reggie's highest YPC is when he runs between the tackles, up the middle in particular with a 4.4 YPC average. Between the tackles he is right at 4 YPC or 3.966666666666 YPC. As I stated above he gets in trouble when trying to go Wide Left or Wide Right where he is at 3.4 and 3.0 YPC respectively. Believe it or not Reggie has improved running between the tackles because in 2006 he only averaged 2.6 YPC when rushing up the Middle and a total YPC between the tackles of 2.966666 YPC. I linked to the situational stats below for you guys to see. Reggie Bush - New Orleans Saints - Situational Statistics - NFL - Yahoo! Sports Sorry this seems like a duplicate of the one below but the same message, my computer was acting up.
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03-17-2008, 05:12 PM	#20
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The Truth About Reggie Well I will disagree that his "value" has yet to be determine. His value is exactaly what he gets paid. He brings a lot of fan base and attention to a team that needed it at the time. His Dollar vaule is also based on seats and jerseys - not for what he does on the field only, obviously off the field as well. Again we get exactly what we drafted and paid for. What is funny to me is that all the expectaions people have are FALSE! He is going to be the player he was in college. All of a sudden you are going to turn him into a RB or a WR??? come one... he's exactly the same Reggie. USC - NFL, he crossed over to the same player he was and will always be, a roll player and nothing more.
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