something to consider

Bobaganoosh · 03-18-2008, 11:52 AM

I think we can all say that the Saints NEED a true number 1 CB that this team has lacked for so long. Given the way the Saints play man to man 90% of the time, McKenzie being iffy for the season, and the Saints roster consisting of a bunch of middle of the road nickle corners, something came to mind.

Now hear me out before you skip through this...assuming the Hall trade goes through, could you imagine the Saints trading Jammal Brown for Nnamdi Asomugha? The Raiders cant pay all those guys in the secondary. Jammal Brown fits a huge need for them. We have some young tackles who may be ready to see the field. Our biggest need would be filled, and so would Oakland's.

We wouldnt lose any draft picks and we could take Rivers in the first, DT in the 2nd, and a young OT in the third to group with Stinch, Strief and Bushrod.

Or we could take Clady at 10 and fill holes throughout the rest of the draft. I think the move would make sense, thats not to say its likely, but i wonder if that is even something being considered by the FO.

What do you guys think?

papz · 03-18-2008, 12:00 PM

I would feel sorry for Brees and our offense would take a big hit. Our season is contingent on Brees' health and this would not bode well for the outlook of our season. Surround with him rookies and inexperienced players protecting his blindside would be disastrous. Yes Nnamdi would upgrade our secondary, but it won't make much difference if we can't score any points nor generate a pass rush. I'll keep a franchise tackle over a Pro Bowl corner any day of the week... absolutely an easy decision.

Budsdrinker · 03-18-2008, 12:01 PM

Last year Brown didn't impress me as much as he did in 06. Mind you he didn't play bad but on some key situations his man beat him. The big one that still hurts is the Tampa game. Again he is a good player but I do think he is replaceable so I wouldn't have a problem with this scenerio.

gandhi1007 · 03-18-2008, 01:19 PM

Brown has not impressed me since moving to LT. I think Zach "Man Mountain" Strief has performed better at LT in the games he replaced Brown. Anybody else remember Strief mistreating Julius Peppers in relief of an injured Jamaal Brown? Peppers never saw the backfield & he's an elite DE. I'd love this scenario. We would have to pick up a OT in the draft, though. Our reserves at the position would be far from dependable with Strief becoming a starter.

Papz....no offense, but I don't consider Brown a franchise LT. He was a Pro Bowl caliber RT, but he gets beat alot at LT.

papz · 03-18-2008, 01:49 PM

Okay maybe I shouldn't label him as a "franchise LT" as he's not as good as the Odgen's and Pace's of the league. But, he did make it to the ProBowl as a left tackle if I'm not mistaken. So I'll re-phrase my original statement...

I'll keep a ProBowl LT over and ProBowl CB any day of the week.

Seriously would anyone be as comfortable with Strief at LT than JB? I know I certainly wouldn't. Too much depends on it. All we have are small sample sizes for Strief and not much else of any other of our OL. If Strief is as good as some say, wouldn't you think he'd be starting over Stinchcomb?

WhoDatQB · 03-18-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Okay maybe I shouldn't label him as a "franchise LT" as he's not as good as the Odgen's and Pace's of the league. But, he did make it to the ProBowl as a left tackle if I'm not mistaken. So I'll re-phrase my original statement...

I'll keep a ProBowl LT over and ProBowl CB any day of the week.

Seriously would anyone be as comfortable with Strief at LT than JB? I know I certainly wouldn't. Too much depends on it. All we have are small sample sizes for Strief and not much else of any other of our OL. If Strief is as good as some say, wouldn't you think he'd be starting over Stinchcomb?

========

Goodwin outperformed Faine and yet Faine remained the starter, our coaching staff seems to be reluctant to make switches once the season has opened. So no, I do not think or coaching staff would start him over Stinchcomb.

papz · 03-18-2008, 02:13 PM

That's debateable though we've debated that subject 6 feet under already.

Euphoria · 03-18-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by papz

That's debateable though we've debated that subject 6 feet under already.

I don't think that is debateable at all. That is exactly what happened. Goodwin out performed Faine and that is the reason Faine has become expendable.

What is there to debate.

ScottBalot · 03-18-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh

I think we can all say that the Saints NEED a true number 1 CB that this team has lacked for so long. Given the way the Saints play man to man 90% of the time, McKenzie being iffy for the season, and the Saints roster consisting of a bunch of middle of the road nickle corners, something came to mind.

Now hear me out before you skip through this...assuming the Hall trade goes through, could you imagine the Saints trading Jammal Brown for Nnamdi Asomugha? The Raiders cant pay all those guys in the secondary. Jammal Brown fits a huge need for them. We have some young tackles who may be ready to see the field. Our biggest need would be filled, and so would Oakland's.

We wouldnt lose any draft picks and we could take Rivers in the first, DT in the 2nd, and a young OT in the third to group with Stinch, Strief and Bushrod.

Or we could take Clady at 10 and fill holes throughout the rest of the draft. I think the move would make sense, thats not to say its likely, but i wonder if that is even something being considered by the FO.

What do you guys think?

as a matter of fact, I had this same conversation in the past few days regarding the trade value of Brown. To get Asomugha for Brown would be a win-win for both teams. And if no trade for Asomugha gets made, it wouldn't surprise me if Brown gets moved on draft day.

papz · 03-18-2008, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I don't think that is debateable at all. That is exactly what happened. Goodwin out performed Faine and that is the reason Faine has become expendable.

What is there to debate.

There isn't... it's all been said.

03-18-2008, 11:52 AM	#1
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	something to consider I think we can all say that the Saints NEED a true number 1 CB that this team has lacked for so long. Given the way the Saints play man to man 90% of the time, McKenzie being iffy for the season, and the Saints roster consisting of a bunch of middle of the road nickle corners, something came to mind. Now hear me out before you skip through this...assuming the Hall trade goes through, could you imagine the Saints trading Jammal Brown for Nnamdi Asomugha? The Raiders cant pay all those guys in the secondary. Jammal Brown fits a huge need for them. We have some young tackles who may be ready to see the field. Our biggest need would be filled, and so would Oakland's. We wouldnt lose any draft picks and we could take Rivers in the first, DT in the 2nd, and a young OT in the third to group with Stinch, Strief and Bushrod. Or we could take Clady at 10 and fill holes throughout the rest of the draft. I think the move would make sense, thats not to say its likely, but i wonder if that is even something being considered by the FO. What do you guys think?
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03-18-2008, 12:00 PM	#2
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: something to consider I would feel sorry for Brees and our offense would take a big hit. Our season is contingent on Brees' health and this would not bode well for the outlook of our season. Surround with him rookies and inexperienced players protecting his blindside would be disastrous. Yes Nnamdi would upgrade our secondary, but it won't make much difference if we can't score any points nor generate a pass rush. I'll keep a franchise tackle over a Pro Bowl corner any day of the week... absolutely an easy decision.

03-18-2008, 12:01 PM	#3
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: something to consider Last year Brown didn't impress me as much as he did in 06. Mind you he didn't play bad but on some key situations his man beat him. The big one that still hurts is the Tampa game. Again he is a good player but I do think he is replaceable so I wouldn't have a problem with this scenerio.

03-18-2008, 01:19 PM	#4
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: something to consider Brown has not impressed me since moving to LT. I think Zach "Man Mountain" Strief has performed better at LT in the games he replaced Brown. Anybody else remember Strief mistreating Julius Peppers in relief of an injured Jamaal Brown? Peppers never saw the backfield & he's an elite DE. I'd love this scenario. We would have to pick up a OT in the draft, though. Our reserves at the position would be far from dependable with Strief becoming a starter. Papz....no offense, but I don't consider Brown a franchise LT. He was a Pro Bowl caliber RT, but he gets beat alot at LT.
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03-18-2008, 01:49 PM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: something to consider Okay maybe I shouldn't label him as a "franchise LT" as he's not as good as the Odgen's and Pace's of the league. But, he did make it to the ProBowl as a left tackle if I'm not mistaken. So I'll re-phrase my original statement... I'll keep a ProBowl LT over and ProBowl CB any day of the week. Seriously would anyone be as comfortable with Strief at LT than JB? I know I certainly wouldn't. Too much depends on it. All we have are small sample sizes for Strief and not much else of any other of our OL. If Strief is as good as some say, wouldn't you think he'd be starting over Stinchcomb?
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03-18-2008, 02:07 PM	#6
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: something to consider Originally Posted by papz Okay maybe I shouldn't label him as a "franchise LT" as he's not as good as the Odgen's and Pace's of the league. But, he did make it to the ProBowl as a left tackle if I'm not mistaken. So I'll re-phrase my original statement... I'll keep a ProBowl LT over and ProBowl CB any day of the week. Seriously would anyone be as comfortable with Strief at LT than JB? I know I certainly wouldn't. Too much depends on it. All we have are small sample sizes for Strief and not much else of any other of our OL. If Strief is as good as some say, wouldn't you think he'd be starting over Stinchcomb? ======== Goodwin outperformed Faine and yet Faine remained the starter, our coaching staff seems to be reluctant to make switches once the season has opened. So no, I do not think or coaching staff would start him over Stinchcomb.

03-18-2008, 02:13 PM	#7
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: something to consider That's debateable though we've debated that subject 6 feet under already.

03-18-2008, 02:40 PM	#8
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: something to consider Originally Posted by papz That's debateable though we've debated that subject 6 feet under already. I don't think that is debateable at all. That is exactly what happened. Goodwin out performed Faine and that is the reason Faine has become expendable. What is there to debate.

03-18-2008, 02:50 PM	#9
ScottBalot Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 87	Re: something to consider Originally Posted by Bobaganoosh I think we can all say that the Saints NEED a true number 1 CB that this team has lacked for so long. Given the way the Saints play man to man 90% of the time, McKenzie being iffy for the season, and the Saints roster consisting of a bunch of middle of the road nickle corners, something came to mind. Now hear me out before you skip through this...assuming the Hall trade goes through, could you imagine the Saints trading Jammal Brown for Nnamdi Asomugha? The Raiders cant pay all those guys in the secondary. Jammal Brown fits a huge need for them. We have some young tackles who may be ready to see the field. Our biggest need would be filled, and so would Oakland's. We wouldnt lose any draft picks and we could take Rivers in the first, DT in the 2nd, and a young OT in the third to group with Stinch, Strief and Bushrod. Or we could take Clady at 10 and fill holes throughout the rest of the draft. I think the move would make sense, thats not to say its likely, but i wonder if that is even something being considered by the FO. What do you guys think? as a matter of fact, I had this same conversation in the past few days regarding the trade value of Brown. To get Asomugha for Brown would be a win-win for both teams. And if no trade for Asomugha gets made, it wouldn't surprise me if Brown gets moved on draft day.
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03-18-2008, 03:13 PM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: something to consider Originally Posted by Euphoria I don't think that is debateable at all. That is exactly what happened. Goodwin out performed Faine and that is the reason Faine has become expendable. What is there to debate. There isn't... it's all been said.