SportsNation NFL Mock Draft

pakowitz · 03-19-2008, 11:01 PM

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foreverfan · 03-20-2008, 07:55 AM

Looks like Cinny is going to talk Ellis. I going with Leodis McKelvin.

cajunasian61 · 03-20-2008, 08:37 AM

I know this isn't going to be a popular choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if the saints went with Clady with their selection. If you think about it, it makes sense. They only have Stinch for one more year, and he hasn't been that great, so drafting a promising young OT would be the best way to replace Stinch, who I do not see the Saints resigning beyond this year.

I mean I would be happy if the Saints drafted any of the CBs or Rivers, I just feel like their is more potential for a bust when drafting a CB at 10 than when drafting an OT. Also both the LB position and CB position is very deep in this draft. Hopefully we just make the right choice, whoever that might be

foreverfan · 03-20-2008, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by cajunasian61

I know this isn't going to be a popular choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if the saints went with Clady with their selection. If you think about it, it makes sense. They only have Stinch for one more year, and he hasn't been that great, so drafting a promising young OT would be the best way to replace Stinch, who I do not see the Saints resigning beyond this year.

Protecting Brees, more running lanes for Bush, maybe start his rookie season, not a bad choice.

papz · 03-20-2008, 11:39 AM

I went for McKelvin.

LordOfEntropy · 03-20-2008, 12:50 PM

Interesting to note that LA was the --ONLY-- state that chose McKelvin. Everyone else chose Talib or Rivers. Interesting.

Still, there was no "trade down" option there, but there should've been.

FireVenturi · 03-20-2008, 02:55 PM

Talib? good that just means we wont take him, I would actually prefer any of the other options over him.

pakowitz · 03-20-2008, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

If we draft an OT with the 10th pick, just go ahead and shoot me right now! Better yet, go ahead and shoot the entire front office! We draft an OT with this pick and we better start looking for a new coach right now. Answer me this Batman, how many offensive lineman do we need? First year under Payton, we drafted Evans and Strief. Second year, Alleman and Bushrod. Not to mention, you already have a young, all pro in Brown. Seems to me, we could pick up a decent backup OT after June 1st cutdown or trades. To WASTE a #10 pick on an OT when we have one of the worst defense/ secondaries in the league would be just plain ridiculous.

*DISCLAIMER* This post does not reflect the opinions of this site, it's other posters or the opinions of the New Orleans Saints.

dude.. do you seriously believe that if we draft someone on defense they are automatically just gonna come in and dominate? its not going to happen..

you keep forgetting that you build your future through the draft.. not your present.. you cant expect rookies to come in and be probowlers

cajunasian61 · 03-21-2008, 01:35 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

If we draft an OT with the 10th pick, just go ahead and shoot me right now! Better yet, go ahead and shoot the entire front office! We draft an OT with this pick and we better start looking for a new coach right now. Answer me this Batman, how many offensive lineman do we need? First year under Payton, we drafted Evans and Strief. Second year, Alleman and Bushrod. Not to mention, you already have a young, all pro in Brown. Seems to me, we could pick up a decent backup OT after June 1st cutdown or trades. To WASTE a #10 pick on an OT when we have one of the worst defense/ secondaries in the league would be just plain ridiculous.

*DISCLAIMER* This post does not reflect the opinions of this site, it's other posters or the opinions of the New Orleans Saints.

Come on Missile, I said the pick wouldn't be popular (and in my opinion is highly unlikely), but if you really think about it the pick makes a lot of sense. For one we drafted Alleman and Bushrod as projects, while if we drafted Clady or any OT at #10 it would be with the intention to come right in and be plugged into the starting lineup. A future pro bowler perhaps (a lot better than picking up a "decent backup OT after June 1st cutdowns or trades). I'm also pretty positive that Drew Brees likes seeing that the FO is investing money in a solid OL. And lets face it no matter who we draft on Defense our team still lives and dies with Drew Brees.

I agree with you about the poor defense/secondary play. I was as pissed off as any of you. But I feel that CB/LB is a deep position in this years draft and good players can be found in the later rounds. None of these CBs that are being mentioned are sure things by any means.

Oh by the way, I picked Rivers in the SportsNation poll, so chill out, I apparently would draft a defensive player too.

LordOfEntropy · 03-20-2008, 08:24 PM

Well, that's a good point Pak. But there's another angle to it also - when you're drafting in the top ten, there's often a chance to get a true difference maker that has an effect immediately. So I think what he said has some merit.

But... to backtrack.... personally, I don't think we can get a REAL difference maker on defense at 10 this year, not one that would have an overwhelming defensive effect immediately. Other years may be different. But with Dorsey gone by the time we pick, I think we should go for maximum "almost" overwhelming talents, because the difference in potential down below that is much closer together in the defensive players available. I think Dorsey is the better one gap tackle, the real gem that'd work for our needs, better than Ellis. Dorsey would make a difference right away. Ellis is just short of that IMO. But really, it doesn't matter - they'll both be gone by the time we pick. So.... trade it away.

If we could get Dorsey with that pick, I'd say differently. But it won't happen. The difference between all the players at 10 is not worth the trade value, IMO. So trade down, just improve our obviously bad positions like FS. and maximize the number of picks we could get.

If and when some desirable player falls, it could play into our interest, because others might be salivating to get him.

03-20-2008, 07:55 AM	#2
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: SportsNation NFL Mock Draft Looks like Cinny is going to talk Ellis. I going with Leodis McKelvin.

03-20-2008, 08:37 AM	#3
cajunasian61 Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Evansville, IN (Where is that?) Posts: 64	Re: SportsNation NFL Mock Draft I know this isn't going to be a popular choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if the saints went with Clady with their selection. If you think about it, it makes sense. They only have Stinch for one more year, and he hasn't been that great, so drafting a promising young OT would be the best way to replace Stinch, who I do not see the Saints resigning beyond this year. I mean I would be happy if the Saints drafted any of the CBs or Rivers, I just feel like their is more potential for a bust when drafting a CB at 10 than when drafting an OT. Also both the LB position and CB position is very deep in this draft. Hopefully we just make the right choice, whoever that might be

03-20-2008, 10:28 AM	#4
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: SportsNation NFL Mock Draft Originally Posted by cajunasian61 I know this isn't going to be a popular choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if the saints went with Clady with their selection. If you think about it, it makes sense. They only have Stinch for one more year, and he hasn't been that great, so drafting a promising young OT would be the best way to replace Stinch, who I do not see the Saints resigning beyond this year. Protecting Brees, more running lanes for Bush, maybe start his rookie season, not a bad choice.

03-20-2008, 11:39 AM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: SportsNation NFL Mock Draft I went for McKelvin.

03-20-2008, 12:50 PM	#6
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: SportsNation NFL Mock Draft Interesting to note that LA was the --ONLY-- state that chose McKelvin. Everyone else chose Talib or Rivers. Interesting. Still, there was no "trade down" option there, but there should've been.

03-19-2008, 11:01 PM	#1
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	SportsNation NFL Mock Draft ESPN: Vote: NFL Mock Draft - SportsNation 10. Saints On the clock: Thursday, March 20, 9 a.m. ET VOTE FOR THE SAINTS TOMMORROW MORNING

03-20-2008, 02:55 PM	#7
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: SportsNation NFL Mock Draft Talib? good that just means we wont take him, I would actually prefer any of the other options over him.

03-20-2008, 08:04 PM	#8
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: SportsNation NFL Mock Draft Originally Posted by saintsmissile If we draft an OT with the 10th pick, just go ahead and shoot me right now! Better yet, go ahead and shoot the entire front office! We draft an OT with this pick and we better start looking for a new coach right now. Answer me this Batman, how many offensive lineman do we need? First year under Payton, we drafted Evans and Strief. Second year, Alleman and Bushrod. Not to mention, you already have a young, all pro in Brown. Seems to me, we could pick up a decent backup OT after June 1st cutdown or trades. To WASTE a #10 pick on an OT when we have one of the worst defense/ secondaries in the league would be just plain ridiculous. DISCLAIMER This post does not reflect the opinions of this site, it's other posters or the opinions of the New Orleans Saints. dude.. do you seriously believe that if we draft someone on defense they are automatically just gonna come in and dominate? its not going to happen.. you keep forgetting that you build your future through the draft.. not your present.. you cant expect rookies to come in and be probowlers

03-21-2008, 01:35 AM	#9
cajunasian61 Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Evansville, IN (Where is that?) Posts: 64	Re: SportsNation NFL Mock Draft Originally Posted by saintsmissile If we draft an OT with the 10th pick, just go ahead and shoot me right now! Better yet, go ahead and shoot the entire front office! We draft an OT with this pick and we better start looking for a new coach right now. Answer me this Batman, how many offensive lineman do we need? First year under Payton, we drafted Evans and Strief. Second year, Alleman and Bushrod. Not to mention, you already have a young, all pro in Brown. Seems to me, we could pick up a decent backup OT after June 1st cutdown or trades. To WASTE a #10 pick on an OT when we have one of the worst defense/ secondaries in the league would be just plain ridiculous. DISCLAIMER This post does not reflect the opinions of this site, it's other posters or the opinions of the New Orleans Saints. Come on Missile, I said the pick wouldn't be popular (and in my opinion is highly unlikely), but if you really think about it the pick makes a lot of sense. For one we drafted Alleman and Bushrod as projects, while if we drafted Clady or any OT at #10 it would be with the intention to come right in and be plugged into the starting lineup. A future pro bowler perhaps (a lot better than picking up a "decent backup OT after June 1st cutdowns or trades). I'm also pretty positive that Drew Brees likes seeing that the FO is investing money in a solid OL. And lets face it no matter who we draft on Defense our team still lives and dies with Drew Brees. I agree with you about the poor defense/secondary play. I was as pissed off as any of you. But I feel that CB/LB is a deep position in this years draft and good players can be found in the later rounds. None of these CBs that are being mentioned are sure things by any means. Oh by the way, I picked Rivers in the SportsNation poll, so chill out, I apparently would draft a defensive player too.

03-20-2008, 08:24 PM	#10
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: SportsNation NFL Mock Draft Well, that's a good point Pak. But there's another angle to it also - when you're drafting in the top ten, there's often a chance to get a true difference maker that has an effect immediately. So I think what he said has some merit. But... to backtrack.... personally, I don't think we can get a REAL difference maker on defense at 10 this year, not one that would have an overwhelming defensive effect immediately. Other years may be different. But with Dorsey gone by the time we pick, I think we should go for maximum "almost" overwhelming talents, because the difference in potential down below that is much closer together in the defensive players available. I think Dorsey is the better one gap tackle, the real gem that'd work for our needs, better than Ellis. Dorsey would make a difference right away. Ellis is just short of that IMO. But really, it doesn't matter - they'll both be gone by the time we pick. So.... trade it away. If we could get Dorsey with that pick, I'd say differently. But it won't happen. The difference between all the players at 10 is not worth the trade value, IMO. So trade down, just improve our obviously bad positions like FS. and maximize the number of picks we could get. If and when some desirable player falls, it could play into our interest, because others might be salivating to get him.
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