Switching to 3-4?

MatthewT · 03-20-2008, 10:54 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing the Saints try some 3-4 formations as a change of pace, but I do not think the roster is built for it as a base formation. I just hope with the additions brought in, the Saints can hopefully implement better game plans that actually attack opposing offenses instead of just trying to hold them back a couple times here and there. Imagine the difference it could make if the Saints could employ more aggressiveness and create more turnovers. The additions made on defense can actually start to get them thinking that way for a change. Lets hope the draft brings us some more nice additions!!!

thesaintsfan · 03-20-2008, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

NT is the first thing that comes to mind.
The fact that Gibbs and most of his staff have plenty of experience at the 34 is not enough. Right now we do not have the personnel to do the switch.

I realize that we don't have the perfect personnel for a 3-4 but we have some of the pieces in place. If a team has been running a 4-3 well then of course they will have to add some players to make the transistion work. Call me stupid or crazy but I think it would work. Teams in the NFC don't see very many 3-4 looks so maybe the confusion would give us an edge to offset our lack of talent in the secondary. I just want to see our D do more to confuse teams. Maybe we could throw a 3-4 front out a few times a game.

RockyMountainSaint · 03-20-2008, 11:00 PM

What is the point of this thread?

If folks really believe we can effectively run a 3-4 with our current personnel they are nuts. The 3-4 in today's NFL environment is the most difficult to establish and then maintain of all defensive schemes.
Do you really want us to sacrifice 2-4 yrs to hatch this (insane) idea?
Or are you really so deluded (or bored with the offseason) as to suggest that we have the ideal 3-4 personnel in house as we speak?
'08 Saints= Dome Patrol?
Please see your therapist.

LordOfEntropy · 03-21-2008, 12:15 AM

I don't think a 3-4 would work. We need more, and better, LB's to take that one on. We don't have Sam Mills around here anymore. Nor do I think Grant would do well in that scenario.

HUSKER · 03-21-2008, 12:36 AM

Maybe we can stop talking about changing from a 4-3 to a 3-4 which is stupid since we just got Vilma who hates it and a bunch of so-so lbs and just try to blitz more than a couple times a game.

RockyMountainSaint · 03-21-2008, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by HUSKER

Maybe we can stop talking about changing from a 4-3 to a 3-4 which is stupid since we just got Vilma who hates it and a bunch of so-so lbs and just try to blitz more than a couple times a game.

See?
I was trying to be diplomatic about this thread.
All it took was for Husker to distill all of the P-C posts to this.
Thank You Husker.

RMS

WhoDat205 · 03-21-2008, 09:13 AM

Pre-Vilma it could have happened with a few moves. That would have been the right time for that as well. We had holes all over the D, so that would have been the time for a personell shift.

Vilma wanted to get away from the 3-4. He says that in every interview you see. Plus they signed McCray, who more of a 4-3 style DE. He's a little too big to be a 3-4 OLB and a little small for the DE.

lsutigerfan · 03-21-2008, 09:29 AM

This is the reason Vilma wanted out of New York if we did that he would be asking out of New Orleans at the end of the season.

WhoDat205 · 03-21-2008, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

You know, as much as I want defense, the only player on offense I would even consider taking with the 10th pick would be a rb. If McFadden would drop I don't see how you can't pick him. This kid is a home run hitter. Putting him together with a rb rotation of Reggie and Pierre Thomas you'd have one hell of a trio.

I would consider an OT (Long, Clady), too. But otherwise I agree.

papz · 03-21-2008, 11:25 AM

For such a weak offensive lineman class, there's 4 offensive tackles graded out to be first rounders. Jake Long, Jeff Otah, Chris Williams, and Ryan Clady. Branden Albert and Chilo Rachal also have late first to mid second round grades. Yes... that's very weak.

It also shows how much you know about Boise State if you consider them a one dimensional pass happy offense.

Ryan Clady - Boise State

At least try to know what you're talking about.

03-20-2008, 10:54 PM	#11
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Switching to 3-4? I wouldn't mind seeing the Saints try some 3-4 formations as a change of pace, but I do not think the roster is built for it as a base formation. I just hope with the additions brought in, the Saints can hopefully implement better game plans that actually attack opposing offenses instead of just trying to hold them back a couple times here and there. Imagine the difference it could make if the Saints could employ more aggressiveness and create more turnovers. The additions made on defense can actually start to get them thinking that way for a change. Lets hope the draft brings us some more nice additions!!!

03-20-2008, 10:59 PM	#12
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Switching to 3-4? Originally Posted by hagan714 NT is the first thing that comes to mind. The fact that Gibbs and most of his staff have plenty of experience at the 34 is not enough. Right now we do not have the personnel to do the switch. I realize that we don't have the perfect personnel for a 3-4 but we have some of the pieces in place. If a team has been running a 4-3 well then of course they will have to add some players to make the transistion work. Call me stupid or crazy but I think it would work. Teams in the NFC don't see very many 3-4 looks so maybe the confusion would give us an edge to offset our lack of talent in the secondary. I just want to see our D do more to confuse teams. Maybe we could throw a 3-4 front out a few times a game.

03-20-2008, 11:00 PM	#13
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Switching to 3-4? What is the point of this thread? If folks really believe we can effectively run a 3-4 with our current personnel they are nuts. The 3-4 in today's NFL environment is the most difficult to establish and then maintain of all defensive schemes. Do you really want us to sacrifice 2-4 yrs to hatch this (insane) idea? Or are you really so deluded (or bored with the offseason) as to suggest that we have the ideal 3-4 personnel in house as we speak? '08 Saints= Dome Patrol? Please see your therapist.

03-21-2008, 12:15 AM	#14
LordOfEntropy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,838	Re: Switching to 3-4? I don't think a 3-4 would work. We need more, and better, LB's to take that one on. We don't have Sam Mills around here anymore. Nor do I think Grant would do well in that scenario.

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03-21-2008, 12:47 AM	#16
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	Re: Switching to 3-4? Originally Posted by HUSKER Maybe we can stop talking about changing from a 4-3 to a 3-4 which is stupid since we just got Vilma who hates it and a bunch of so-so lbs and just try to blitz more than a couple times a game. See? I was trying to be diplomatic about this thread. All it took was for Husker to distill all of the P-C posts to this. Thank You Husker. RMS

03-21-2008, 09:13 AM	#17
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Switching to 3-4? Pre-Vilma it could have happened with a few moves. That would have been the right time for that as well. We had holes all over the D, so that would have been the time for a personell shift. Vilma wanted to get away from the 3-4. He says that in every interview you see. Plus they signed McCray, who more of a 4-3 style DE. He's a little too big to be a 3-4 OLB and a little small for the DE.

03-21-2008, 09:29 AM	#18
lsutigerfan 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: born And raised in NOLA, now live in Los Angeles Posts: 811	Re: Switching to 3-4? This is the reason Vilma wanted out of New York if we did that he would be asking out of New Orleans at the end of the season.

03-21-2008, 10:06 AM	#19
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Switching to 3-4? Originally Posted by saintsmissile You know, as much as I want defense, the only player on offense I would even consider taking with the 10th pick would be a rb. If McFadden would drop I don't see how you can't pick him. This kid is a home run hitter. Putting him together with a rb rotation of Reggie and Pierre Thomas you'd have one hell of a trio. I would consider an OT (Long, Clady), too. But otherwise I agree.

03-21-2008, 11:25 AM	#20
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: Switching to 3-4? For such a weak offensive lineman class, there's 4 offensive tackles graded out to be first rounders. Jake Long, Jeff Otah, Chris Williams, and Ryan Clady. Branden Albert and Chilo Rachal also have late first to mid second round grades. Yes... that's very weak. It also shows how much you know about Boise State if you consider them a one dimensional pass happy offense. Ryan Clady - Boise State At least try to know what you're talking about.