Switching to 3-4?

thesaintsfan · 03-20-2008, 05:59 PM

Who would be in favor of us switching to a 3-4? If you look at our projected front seven it could work. C. Grant would be a great end in a 3-4 scheme and W. Smith would be solid. Smith could also be used as a stand up pass rusher. H. Thomas could play nose. B. Young could play DE. Fujita is versatile enough to play OLB in a 3-4. Vilma and Morgan would be the MLBs although Vilma had some problems with the Jets' 3-4 defense. Then all we would have to do is trade up and draft V. Gholston to play the other OLB and we would be set. I know it's a major stretch, but hey, it could work. Maybe if we ran a 3-4 we could get more pressure on the QB and protect our horror show of a secondary. I would love to see a LB corp of Fujita, Vilma, Morgan, and Gholston. That would be scary, while they were healthy.

rjakapeanut · 03-20-2008, 06:10 PM

yeah no. Vilma loves the 4-3, so we keep the 4-3.

Euphoria · 03-20-2008, 06:32 PM

As long as we have the D coordinator here we are going to be in a 4-3. I think the 3-4 will help hide our blitz packages a lot and create a lot of pressue if we had an innovative Pro D Coach. Instead he have a high school D coach stick to the basics. "Bend don't Break".

thesaintsfan · 03-20-2008, 06:56 PM

Good point Euphoria. Our defense has to be the most basic, vanilla system in the league. When you watch our games it seems like the defense doesn't do anything. They just sit back and let the other team's offense dictate. And why do we run so much man coverage? Usually the teams that run alot of man do so because they have good corners and a good pass rush. They can afford to have CBs on an island because the opposing QB isn't going to have time to pick them apart. We aren't the Eagles or the Ravens, we don't have good corners and we don't put a ton of pressure on QBs. So why do they put the CBs in a no win situation? I think a real D coordinator would do alot more with the talent we do have on defense by devising a scheme that plays to our strengths, not our weaknesses.

WVSaint · 03-20-2008, 07:30 PM

switching to a 3-4 would make the vilma acquisition completely pointless

thesaintsfan · 03-20-2008, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by WVSaint

switching to a 3-4 would make the vilma acquisition completely pointless

Just because Vilma wasn't the greatest fit for the 3-4 in N.Y. doesn't mean that he just can't play in that defense. I think a truly great LB can play in any scheme. It's like people think the guy was just awful in the 3-4 and he wasn't. He had played in a 4-3 his whole career so it was taking him some time to adjust. Also he wasn't at 100% last season. I think he would've been just fine had he stayed in N.Y. If he was so terrible in the 3-4 then why are Jets fans mad as hell that he was traded? Another thing to think about is the fact that N.Y. didn't have a true nose tackle in front of him.

rjakapeanut · 03-20-2008, 08:40 PM

same reason we'd be mad if Deuce was traded/cut. Deuce isn't a very good RB. sorry to say. he's past his prime and has had a ton of injuries. he can put together a couple solid seasons but he's not going to any pro bowls.

its not just about how good of a player that player is, if hes a fan favorite he's a fan favorite lol. the jets fans being mad that Vilma was traded has nothign to do with how good or bad he was in a 3-4 defense.

3-4 would be bad because we have undersized LBs, period.

saints1234 · 03-20-2008, 08:48 PM

thats the dumbest thing i have ever heard of since they said that jason david was going to start.

hagan714 · 03-20-2008, 08:49 PM

NT is the first thing that comes to mind.
The fact that Gibbs and most of his staff have plenty of experience at the 34 is not enough. Right now we do not have the personnel to do the switch.

lynwood · 03-20-2008, 09:26 PM

If we truly had the talent I'd say play a game in the 3-4 and play another in the 4-3. Depending on the other teams offense.

03-20-2008, 05:59 PM	#1
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Switching to 3-4? Who would be in favor of us switching to a 3-4? If you look at our projected front seven it could work. C. Grant would be a great end in a 3-4 scheme and W. Smith would be solid. Smith could also be used as a stand up pass rusher. H. Thomas could play nose. B. Young could play DE. Fujita is versatile enough to play OLB in a 3-4. Vilma and Morgan would be the MLBs although Vilma had some problems with the Jets' 3-4 defense. Then all we would have to do is trade up and draft V. Gholston to play the other OLB and we would be set. I know it's a major stretch, but hey, it could work. Maybe if we ran a 3-4 we could get more pressure on the QB and protect our horror show of a secondary. I would love to see a LB corp of Fujita, Vilma, Morgan, and Gholston. That would be scary, while they were healthy.

03-20-2008, 06:10 PM	#2
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03-20-2008, 06:32 PM	#3
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Switching to 3-4? As long as we have the D coordinator here we are going to be in a 4-3. I think the 3-4 will help hide our blitz packages a lot and create a lot of pressue if we had an innovative Pro D Coach. Instead he have a high school D coach stick to the basics. "Bend don't Break".

03-20-2008, 06:56 PM	#4
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Switching to 3-4? Good point Euphoria. Our defense has to be the most basic, vanilla system in the league. When you watch our games it seems like the defense doesn't do anything. They just sit back and let the other team's offense dictate. And why do we run so much man coverage? Usually the teams that run alot of man do so because they have good corners and a good pass rush. They can afford to have CBs on an island because the opposing QB isn't going to have time to pick them apart. We aren't the Eagles or the Ravens, we don't have good corners and we don't put a ton of pressure on QBs. So why do they put the CBs in a no win situation? I think a real D coordinator would do alot more with the talent we do have on defense by devising a scheme that plays to our strengths, not our weaknesses.

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03-20-2008, 08:36 PM	#6
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Switching to 3-4? Originally Posted by WVSaint switching to a 3-4 would make the vilma acquisition completely pointless Just because Vilma wasn't the greatest fit for the 3-4 in N.Y. doesn't mean that he just can't play in that defense. I think a truly great LB can play in any scheme. It's like people think the guy was just awful in the 3-4 and he wasn't. He had played in a 4-3 his whole career so it was taking him some time to adjust. Also he wasn't at 100% last season. I think he would've been just fine had he stayed in N.Y. If he was so terrible in the 3-4 then why are Jets fans mad as hell that he was traded? Another thing to think about is the fact that N.Y. didn't have a true nose tackle in front of him.

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03-20-2008, 08:48 PM	#8
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03-20-2008, 09:26 PM	#10
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: Switching to 3-4? If we truly had the talent I'd say play a game in the 3-4 and play another in the 4-3. Depending on the other teams offense.