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TheDeuce 03-25-2008 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 159357)
A DT who could draw double teams and add pressure on the QB is the NUMBER 1 NEED for this team. CB we have enough and money tied up at that position. If we don't generate pressure on the QB, The QB's will have all day to throw on our CB's I don't care who you are this day in age you give a QB/WR enough time the WR will get open eventually. Our DT are sit back DT and tackle the ball carrier when they come to them they aren't pass rushers.

The front 7 has to be address and they are doing that. One more position to address is DT.

At this point I would draft any other position other than CB.
Well that seems a little irrational euph. I understand that you want a DT, and that's what I want the most too, but if we don't get a DT, the simple fact of the matter is that we also need a cornerback. While a pass rush might help, you also have to have decent CBs. They complement each other, it's not one or the other.

Euphoria 03-25-2008 01:06 PM
Re: Kirwin's 1st Mock Draft
 
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Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 159383)
Well that seems a little irrational euph. I understand that you want a DT, and that's what I want the most too, but if we don't get a DT, the simple fact of the matter is that we also need a cornerback. While a pass rush might help, you also have to have decent CBs. They complement each other, it's not one or the other.
OH PLEASE I am not sold on a DT. I am saying if we can get Ellis or Dorsey we do it... but there are more concerning areas than just CB. I'd be ok with a LB. I'd be ok with other areas as well. CB's. To much money and bodies at that position and that my friend is very rational.

TheDeuce 03-25-2008 01:13 PM
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It's not about quantity Euph, it's about quality. We might have a bunch of bodies at CB (even though I don't think we have that many), but we don't have anybody who would receive a starter's grade. We need a solid CB, that's a fact. David, Gay, and McKenzie are making good money, not great, but good. The other CBs are making minimal money. So what's the problem? We can afford another CB, and we need one, too.

If you think we need another DE we don't, because we've already got three with very big contracts, and several other guys making minimal money.

And yes, I'd be ok with a linebacker too, but what I'm saying is that it's not crazy to think that we need another CB.

Euphoria 03-25-2008 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 159392)
It's not about quantity Euph, it's about quality. We might have a bunch of bodies at CB (even though I don't think we have that many), but we don't have anybody who would receive a starter's grade. We need a solid CB, that's a fact. David, Gay, and McKenzie are making good money, not great, but good. The other CBs are making minimal money. So what's the problem? We can afford another CB, and we need one, too.

If you think we need another DE we don't, because we've already got three with very big contracts, and several other guys making minimal money.

And yes, I'd be ok with a linebacker too, but what I'm saying is that it's not crazy to think that we need another CB.
Hey thats great if you want to be 7-9 this year.

TheDeuce 03-25-2008 01:24 PM
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Where did I say I wanted to be 7-9? And what about what I said would make us go 7-9? Taking a CB who has pick #10 value would make us lose? How is that?

Euphoria 03-25-2008 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 159419)
Man oh man. Last time we used your rational Euph we drafted J.Sullivan instead of a guy named Marcus Trufant. Nuff said.
Rational? With that rational why even draft... history dictates we aren't a winning ball club anyways so why even bother play the game. Come 'on got something better than that.

What does that have to do with anything? Under differnt Coaching staff... different scouting... with that said whats the point of even drafting anyone because we never win anyways.

rjakapeanut 03-25-2008 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 159256)
Ya know I have been thinking NE trading with us is not going to happen with both teams going for the same players. But looking at this draft it makes VERY good sense. Us getting a CB make no sense with the bodies and money we have tied up at that position so for get it. If you can't see that we can't get to the QB... well I will stop there.
The only think I didn't like by this mock is that Dorsey going to the Birds. I almost became ill seeing that. I wish there was something we can do to prevent that from happening but looks like it could be a reality we will have to face TWICE a year. UGH.
but we're nto going for the same players, lmao. we're going for mckelvin, DRC, ellis and rivers. they're going for mckelvin, possibly DRC, and golston.

rjakapeanut 03-25-2008 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 159272)
Good, now, take all that Pac 1O talent that USC has been lucky enough to play every year and now, relate that to NFL talent. Ala, Leinart, M.Williams, M.Patterson, F.Rucker, Lendale White, the C Kalil, and yes, Reggie Bush. Okay, I'll give you Tatupu, but look at your odds. The USC boys really haven't made too much of an inpact have they? Someone do some research on all the SC guys that have been drafted in the last say, 5 years and detail how many of them are starters and how many probowls have they gone to.
what about Polamalu? the defense players from USC have been great besides it doesn't matter, just because they go to the same school doesn't mean they're cursed.


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