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He can play at a high level with pressure in a Cover 2, that's what I would argue. Fact of the matter is, he's the worst man cover corner I've ever seen in the NFL. I don't care how much pressure you get, he's still going to get burned.

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I think you are going off topic here...
So was MM at time burnt. But SS and FS were out of position and blew it.

You can help our CB's out by getting pressure on the QB and that has been proven... "lets review" JASON DAVID HAS A SB RING BECAUSE OF IT. So there is my point. Its not defending him or attacking him its all about PRESSURE.

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Yeah Euph, everybody and their dog knows you want more pressure. What I'm saying is, that if you don't have great pressure, you are going to need better corners. If we don't get Ellis, we need to take a corner because David can't cut it.

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Then you go get the pressure you don't go get CB's. Did you read the above posts. This day in age with the rule changes its extremely hard to hold down a WR all day. You give the QB 10 seconds, a WR will get open - WILL GET OPEN against ANYBODY. CB's will get worn out as well.

If JD can get a ring and we have him then what can we do to better use him... get pressure to help a man out.

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I get it, you don't have to keep repeating the same thing you've been saying for months now. But how do you propose that we "get more pressure?" I've already said that we need to take Ellis or Dorsey if they're there. But if not, what are you going to do? You can't draft a DE. Drafting another LB isn't going to help with pressure, even though I'd love to see us get Rivers.

And I'd love to take up your point that it doesn't matter who you have at CB, because it sure as hell matters. Yes, pressure plays a big part in how effective they can be in coverage, but if you have a terrible CB, you're still going to get burned no matter how good the pass rush. There were so many times this season where David bit on a simple head fake and was completely toasted. Doesn't matter how much pressure we had on the QB, all he had to do was hit a wide open receiver.

It's all about balance Euph. You need to get a good pass rush, but you can't completely ignore the cornerback situation. A good pass rush helps out the corners, but the cornerback still has to cover the wide receiver. If Ellis isn't there, take a good corner.

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again are you reading what I am saying???

I think you are just trying to ruffle my feathers now. What did i say in an earlier post to this thread???

There are other areas we can address to help us out. Nothing wrong with going WR if we can get a number one in a position instead of a 3 or 4th best at a position. Now you just want to take things out of context and creat something that isn't there.

Fact is David got a ring so what are we not doing... pressure.

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Yeah I'm reading what you're saying and it's a bunch of stubborn crap. "We need pressure." I agree with you. Again, what do you want us to do about it? If not drafting Ellis, what do we do? You still haven't answered that question.

And again, yes David won a ring, but he was in a Cover 2 scheme. Completely different situation. He couldn't get beat deep because he was always in his zone. Nowadays he's liable for the deep ball, and he can't stop it. We need somebody who can.

By the way, I have no idea what you just said about a WR.

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who's ignoring anything??? I am not... ones who say CB CB CB are the ones ignoring stuff. I am not opposed to drafting other areas. CB come on... We drafted and signed players there last year and so far this year... no problem with that. We have to be a bit flexible with the 10th pick and where we want to go with this team.

Made me sick last year we couldn't get pressure on the QB to help even our best CB (MM). We suck at pass rushing, the numbers speak for themselves... and Jason David has a ring.

Oh no... just realize does Gay have a ring as well 2004. So we have all these CB's who played in big games and we are exposed because what they had when they got their rings was PRESSURE.

Come on guys this is to easy.

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You really shouldn't call what you agree with as stubbon crap.

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You can't just say that Gay and David have rings because of pressure, that's just oversimplifying the game and missing out on the fact that they were on really good teams.

And I'm not saying CB CB CB... I'm saying we need a DT, but if we can't get one, we take a CB or a LB. CB is still a position of need. With MM out, we don't have a starting quality CB on the roster. Try to deny that.

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I agree with it to a point, but I haven't been babbling on about it for months. It gets old.

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What the hell are you arguing with me for then, geez dude we agree!

But you are adding something into the equation about MM but then I pose... what would we do without Brees... then I'd say we need a QB over a CB.

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No we don't agree. You're saying that we shouldn't draft a CB if we don't get Ellis. I am, I think we still need to address the cornerback position.

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Come on this isn't personal... babbling? Now if I brought up Jeff Faine then I'd say you have a point that would be old. We have draft coming up and we are discussing issues what to do.... this my friend is not old. We are just getting started.

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NO NO, we agree getting pressure and going DT.

If we don't have that chance of getting a top DT then its another ball game.

You want another CB fine, nothing wrong with that. I have answer the question what I would do. That is fine too. The last I check there isn't a wrong answer. I am going WR. We don't get pressure on the QB then we are going to need to score 40 plus points again to finish 7-9

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Is anybody still making a pick?

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So here is the point I am making... you can go anywhere and find an area of 'need' if you will.

Jeff Otah, OT
or
Desean Jackson WR

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ummm this is stupid because if the Falcons pass on Ryan KC will get him, then the Jets will get Gholston, NE will ge McKelvin, Baltimore will get Ellis or DRC, Cin will get Ellis or Harvey, and we'll get our pick out of that.

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Obviously you now have a personal agenda. Go away now.

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You are totally right on... this is stupid yet some get there panties in a wad.

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Take a breather, fellas.

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Or get a room.

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If the defensive players that we're targeting no longer available there at 10, I don't have a problem with us selecting an OL if that's the BPA left on our board. We have plenty of draft picks to address different areas on our team. If we take a OL first, I'm pretty sure we'll address the D with our 2nd and 3rd round picks. It wouldn't be the end of the world if we went that route.

And I'd also like to point out as much as I really do like Jon Stinchcomb, he's never going to be anything more than a solid regular. Which means, he can be upgraded.

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OK SINCE I STARTED THE ORIGINAL THREAD

I'm really taking the gloves off and opening the thread up for trades.

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We've identified the root of the problem. Definitely no dessert for you buddy.

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Missle... so what now you are ready to admit you're going crazy?

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Who said anything about team needs?

You are married to the idea of addressing needs. Our OL has been suspect. If not for Bree's we would be bad on the OL. Get some better blocking form the RB's... damn straight buddy.

Look at the value you you get with Otah. See where a lot of your experts have him going... BPA???

let it go already.

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I think the purpose of this poll was to show that we should draft Pierre Thomas' backup at 10 and everyone is getting off track :-D

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This may be the post of the month... is it April yet?