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foreverfan 03-24-2008 10:44 PM

Who Do You Take?
 
GONE OFF THE BOARD

1. MIA - Chris Long
2. STL - Jake Long
3. ATL - Glenn Dorsey
4. OAK - Darren McFadden
5. KC - Sedrick Ellis
6. NYJ - Vernon Gholston
7. NE - Leodis Mckelvin
8. BAL - DRC
9. CIN - Keith Rivers
10. NO - ????

Who do you think Payton takes?
Who do you want to see taken here?

NO TRADES... not the question.

pakowitz 03-24-2008 10:55 PM

Re: Who Do You Take?
 
rashard mendenhall.... but only if deuce is let go.. or if he restructures his deal... if not mendenhall.. then we take clady..

phatoosdey 03-24-2008 11:25 PM

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gotta love the passion :)

dasaints26 03-25-2008 12:12 AM

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I say with what is left I would take Mendenhall, cut Stecker and let it be known the competition for starting RB is now open. After getting down to the 4th string last year having quality depth in the backfield is a necessity. Sitting with Bush, PT and Mendenhall will give the coaches a good idea where we are heading after Deuce gives us one last year.
Really is a nice collection of offensive talent that Payton has put together in 2 years. Really curious if Brees can stay upright all year how many passes he throws this year.

lsutigerfan 03-25-2008 01:03 AM

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Mike Jenkins.

Euphoria 03-25-2008 01:16 AM

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WR Malcolm Kelly.

Why settle for a CB at that point. Get a top rated WR.

ssmitty 03-25-2008 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 159298)
WR Malcolm Kelly.

Why settle for a CB at that point. Get a top rated WR.

you may want to pick another wr.....



Malcolm Kelly...NFL Network's Mike Mayock is reporting that both of Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly's knees are of such concern that he could be completely removed from some NFL teams' final draft boards.

SaintFanInATLHELL 03-25-2008 06:35 AM

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Try and trade the pick back. With the given list all the top tier talent is gone in our areas of need. So trade the pick back and pick up another decent pick further back in the draft.

SFIAH

saintsfan1976 03-25-2008 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 159305)
Try and trade the pick back. With the given list all the top tier talent is gone in our areas of need. So trade the pick back and pick up another decent pick further back in the draft.

SFIAH

You're not playing by the rules... lol.

saintsfan1976 03-25-2008 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 159266)

Did we just agree on something???? :no: :-D I like Jenkins here also, but I would stoked to get Mendenhall!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 159271)
We take Clady, I will personally burn every single jersey and Saints piece of paraphanalia I own. Seriously.

Even if it means making a better font line for Brees and the backfield??

hagan714 03-25-2008 07:02 AM

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Clady is the pick. We get a true LT and brown goes to RT. But what do we do with all the tackles on the roster? Brown trade? Stinch trade? Back ups traded?
Ryan is an option. Nah
This would set us up for a trade down in round one. Alot of teams are really eying these two.

SaintFanInATLHELL 03-25-2008 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 159306)
You're not playing by the rules... lol.

OOPS! That's what I get for not reading the original post all the way through. Sorry.

First off I'd be sick. I'd probably then take Balmer from NC.

SFIAH

cajunasian61 03-25-2008 09:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 159298)
WR Malcolm Kelly.

Why settle for a CB at that point. Get a top rated WR.

WR would be a terrible choice, bc they are so hit or miss. If this is the case I would hope to trade down, but with all of my Dorsey, Ellis, and Rivers gone I gotta go with Clady if we can't trade down. He will be a great tackle. Very little risk. And we can now trade Stinchcomb who is in the final year of his contract, move Jamal Brown back to RT where he is more comfortable and plug Clady in immediately at LT. I think Stichy's value would be about a 4th rounder or so. Or we could use him for a trade for someone like Fabian Washington. I know Oakland has a weak offensive line so it might work.

My problem with the Jenkins pick is that he is not as sure of a thing as an OT. None of the CBs in this years draft are. A good one will fall to #40 where we can get him. I'm thinking Brandon Flowers.

I have no problem with the Mendenhall pick other than I don;t think it is as much of a need position. I honestly think that if given the chance Pierre Thomas can be a good RB. He has done nothing but look good every time we play him.

Feel free to vent some more Missile, but I stand by my choice if this is how the draft shapes up.

BlackandBlue 03-25-2008 09:36 AM

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I'd take Jenkins, but he would be moved to free safety.

SaintFanInATLHELL 03-25-2008 10:01 AM

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re. burning all Saints stuff if they pick a OT...
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 159307)
Even if it means making a better font line for Brees and the backfield??

It's the same argument that we've had all offseason. The team isn't going to get significantly better by improving the offense. The offense is already in the top 5 in the NFL in most categories.

The best way to improve the team is to improve the defense. So we pick the best available defensive player of need with that #10 pick. My order is DT, CB, LB, S.

SFIAH

foreverfan 03-25-2008 10:02 AM

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The obvious pick is Deuce's replacement. Mendenhall. Can Deuce finish the season and how much more does he have in the tank anyway???

It has already been posted that we have enough OL.

papz 03-25-2008 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 159264)
GONE OFF THE BOARD

1. MIA - Chris Long
2. STL - Jake Long
3. ATL - Glenn Dorsey
4. OAK - Darren McFadden
5. KC - Sedrick Ellis
6. NYJ - Vernon Gholston
7. NE - Leodis Mckelvin
8. BAL - DRC
9. CIN - Keith Rivers
10. NO - ????

Who do you think Payton takes?
Who do you want to see taken here?

NO TRADES... not the question.

Being that both the top DT's and CB's are now off the board, I'd probably go with Jenkins or whoever we have rated as the better tackle out of Clady, Otah, and Williams. Mendenhall is going to be a good player in this league but I'm comfortable with Bush and Thomas handling the load next year should Deuce not be on this team anymore. Plus, there's plenty of value in the third round for runningbacks should we decide to draft one.

It would suck if the first 9 picks ended up like that for us... trade down! :p

Euphoria 03-25-2008 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cajunasian61 (Post 159323)
WR would be a terrible choice, bc they are so hit or miss. If this is the case I would hope to trade down, but with all of my Dorsey, Ellis, and Rivers gone I gotta go with Clady if we can't trade down. He will be a great tackle. Very little risk. And we can now trade Stinchcomb who is in the final year of his contract, move Jamal Brown back to RT where he is more comfortable and plug Clady in immediately at LT. I think Stichy's value would be about a 4th rounder or so. Or we could use him for a trade for someone like Fabian Washington. I know Oakland has a weak offensive line so it might work.

My problem with the Jenkins pick is that he is not as sure of a thing as an OT. None of the CBs in this years draft are. A good one will fall to #40 where we can get him. I'm thinking Brandon Flowers.

I have no problem with the Mendenhall pick other than I don;t think it is as much of a need position. I honestly think that if given the chance Pierre Thomas can be a good RB. He has done nothing but look good every time we play him.

Feel free to vent some more Missile, but I stand by my choice if this is how the draft shapes up.

That is even more reasons we should go WR... Make a number of choices one will pay off.

cajunasian61 03-25-2008 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 159335)
Hey, that's still a win for us. Short of David, Bullocks may be the worst starter on our team!

Bullocks is worse than David in my opinion. At least David can tackle, and catch the football. I can't think of one thing Bullocks does well

cajunasian61 03-25-2008 11:14 AM

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Oh and stop being so overdramatic Missile. You're not selling your season tickets for anything. If being a Saints fan has taught us one thing its how to deal with disappointment.

cajunasian61 03-25-2008 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 159352)
Apparently, he must do something right because both Gibbs and Payton think the guy is great. If you listen to interviews both have nothing but good things to say about JB. Scares me to death whenever they say it to. You know it's bad whenever JB makes a play (once in about 5 games) and you say, "WOW! Bullucks ACTUALLY just made a play"! The guy is terrible. You don't have to be a football genius to see it either.

Yeah well Gibbs and Payton have made a number of poor personel decisions in my opinion. Simoneau over Simmons, David over anyone else, Faine over Goodwin, Shanle over Simmons, Reggie/Stecker over Pierre, and most importantly Bullocks over Kaesviharn. I mean there was a Payton interview posted on this site this year where he was quoted as saying that Simoneau was our best linebacker last year. What the hell was he watching?!

Euphoria 03-25-2008 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cajunasian61 (Post 159350)
Bullocks is worse than David in my opinion. At least David can tackle, and catch the football. I can't think of one thing Bullocks does well

This is totally correct. What how many times he is out of position. Lets the WR's get past him. Undisiplined!!!

Euphoria 03-25-2008 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 159362)
This is all true, what would be your "diagnosis" of J.David, J.Craft and U.Young?

We also signed another CB during FA...

Part of the game is applying pressure. You get to the QB, he'll have less time to make a good pass, less time to find an open WR. Greating pressue will hide some defects... Hell look what the Giants did to the Pats. Made them look silly.

PRESSURE... PRESSURE... PRESSURE.

papz 03-25-2008 11:43 AM

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As the president of Josh Bullocks fan club, you'll all be eating your words!

:cool:

Euphoria 03-25-2008 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 159367)
Okay? Where was Grant and W.Smith last year? I know, I know. You're going to blame their poor sack totals on the fact that our DT's were not getting doubled making it harder for them to apply pressure. Have you ever thought that good coverage will make the opposing qb's hold the ball longer and give the DT's/DE's extra time to get to the qb? Guess not.

Dude when has Grant ever been feared for his pass rushing??? NEVER. To think all of a sudden he is a mad pass rusher is nuts. Running toping DE is all he is. Verdict still out on Smith.

Do you know the Rule changes over the past couple of years??? Its favors the WR's. There are even few "SHUT DOWN" corners now because of it. WR will get open against anyone if you give them enought time period.

If you give the QB 3 seconds or less my grandmother will be able to cover Randy Moss.

And by the way no one should look for excuses for Grant and Smith they are over paid for what they do and deserve the blame just as much as anyone else.

Euphoria 03-25-2008 12:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsmissile (Post 159373)
I agree about Grant and Smith. I was NOT in favor of giving Grant 65 million, I though it was nuts. However, I do feel that you have a better chance of having a good defense if you have avg DT's and above avg corners. You have above avg DT's and crappy cb's, you'll still get burned almost weekly.

Well now your arguement doesn't hold water.
Case in point, the past two Super Bowls were won by intense and relentless pressure on the QB that the COLTS and GIANTS applied.

You may also fail to realize that Jason David was on that Colts team and has a Super Bowl ring becuase for his efforts and the pressure they applied. So if David can be on a winning SB team then we are ok because MM is a better than your average everyday CB. So lets see what could be holding us back...

PRESSURE ON THE QB font 7 and SS and FS.

TheDeuce 03-25-2008 12:39 PM

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Yeah but David was in a Cover 2 when he won a ring. There's no way in hell he can play man-to-man at an elite level.

Euphoria 03-25-2008 12:46 PM

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There is no yeah but...

Fact is fact he's got a ring. Colts had pressure on the QB. He can play at a high level when you get pressure on a QB.

Elite level... you're kidding right? So the Super Bowl is the same as a neighborhood pick up game. Its the biggest game in a pro football players career and he has a ring to show for it and you nor anyone can take that from him.

So when people say the biggest area of need and only point to one position you are wrong. There are many areas that need to be addressed.


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