Who Do You Take?

cajunasian61 · 03-25-2008, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Apparently, he must do something right because both Gibbs and Payton think the guy is great. If you listen to interviews both have nothing but good things to say about JB. Scares me to death whenever they say it to. You know it's bad whenever JB makes a play (once in about 5 games) and you say, "WOW! Bullucks ACTUALLY just made a play"! The guy is terrible. You don't have to be a football genius to see it either.

Yeah well Gibbs and Payton have made a number of poor personel decisions in my opinion. Simoneau over Simmons, David over anyone else, Faine over Goodwin, Shanle over Simmons, Reggie/Stecker over Pierre, and most importantly Bullocks over Kaesviharn. I mean there was a Payton interview posted on this site this year where he was quoted as saying that Simoneau was our best linebacker last year. What the hell was he watching?!

Euphoria · 03-25-2008, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

This is all true, what would be your "diagnosis" of J.David, J.Craft and U.Young?

We also signed another CB during FA...

Part of the game is applying pressure. You get to the QB, he'll have less time to make a good pass, less time to find an open WR. Greating pressue will hide some defects... Hell look what the Giants did to the Pats. Made them look silly.

PRESSURE... PRESSURE... PRESSURE.

papz · 03-25-2008, 11:43 AM

As the president of Josh Bullocks fan club, you'll all be eating your words!

Euphoria · 03-25-2008, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Okay? Where was Grant and W.Smith last year? I know, I know. You're going to blame their poor sack totals on the fact that our DT's were not getting doubled making it harder for them to apply pressure. Have you ever thought that good coverage will make the opposing qb's hold the ball longer and give the DT's/DE's extra time to get to the qb? Guess not.

Dude when has Grant ever been feared for his pass rushing??? NEVER. To think all of a sudden he is a mad pass rusher is nuts. Running toping DE is all he is. Verdict still out on Smith.

Do you know the Rule changes over the past couple of years??? Its favors the WR's. There are even few "SHUT DOWN" corners now because of it. WR will get open against anyone if you give them enought time period.

If you give the QB 3 seconds or less my grandmother will be able to cover Randy Moss.

And by the way no one should look for excuses for Grant and Smith they are over paid for what they do and deserve the blame just as much as anyone else.

Euphoria · 03-25-2008, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

I agree about Grant and Smith. I was NOT in favor of giving Grant 65 million, I though it was nuts. However, I do feel that you have a better chance of having a good defense if you have avg DT's and above avg corners. You have above avg DT's and crappy cb's, you'll still get burned almost weekly.

Well now your arguement doesn't hold water.
Case in point, the past two Super Bowls were won by intense and relentless pressure on the QB that the COLTS and GIANTS applied.

You may also fail to realize that Jason David was on that Colts team and has a Super Bowl ring becuase for his efforts and the pressure they applied. So if David can be on a winning SB team then we are ok because MM is a better than your average everyday CB. So lets see what could be holding us back...

PRESSURE ON THE QB font 7 and SS and FS.

Euphoria · 03-25-2008, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

Jesus dude. How many OT's does this team need? Strief, Brown, Stinch, Bushrod. Two starters and two backups. How much more depth do you need? WASTING a top 10 pick on a position where are already two deep is foolish. In any way of thinking, it's foolish. Still say you don't draft interior DL to pass rush. If you get some of that, you're lucky. DE's are the guys you are looking for to rush the passer in a 4 three. Course, there's no point in beating a dead horse. Btw, imho, there is not ONE wr worth a first round pick this year. NONE! The best is Desean Jackson and the kid is 5'9! Shoot, if we're going to do that, why not just covert Reggie into a wr! OT or WR? My god please tell me our front office has some more common sense than that. No disrespect.

Obviously you now have a personal agenda. Go away now.

Euphoria · 03-25-2008, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by saintsmissile

No, I'm going to admit that both you and Pappy may be wrong. Tell you what, go check each and every media site that has a TEAM NEEDS SECTION or MOCK DRAFT and see if ANY ONE OF THEM has us picking an OT. Then, you might see the "crazy" one. Just sayin'.

Who said anything about team needs?

You are married to the idea of addressing needs. Our OL has been suspect. If not for Bree's we would be bad on the OL. Get some better blocking form the RB's... damn straight buddy.

Look at the value you you get with Otah. See where a lot of your experts have him going... BPA???

let it go already.

03-25-2008, 11:19 AM	#1
cajunasian61 Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Evansville, IN (Where is that?) Posts: 64	Re: Who Do You Take? Originally Posted by saintsmissile Apparently, he must do something right because both Gibbs and Payton think the guy is great. If you listen to interviews both have nothing but good things to say about JB. Scares me to death whenever they say it to. You know it's bad whenever JB makes a play (once in about 5 games) and you say, "WOW! Bullucks ACTUALLY just made a play"! The guy is terrible. You don't have to be a football genius to see it either. Yeah well Gibbs and Payton have made a number of poor personel decisions in my opinion. Simoneau over Simmons, David over anyone else, Faine over Goodwin, Shanle over Simmons, Reggie/Stecker over Pierre, and most importantly Bullocks over Kaesviharn. I mean there was a Payton interview posted on this site this year where he was quoted as saying that Simoneau was our best linebacker last year. What the hell was he watching?!

03-25-2008, 11:42 AM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Who Do You Take? Originally Posted by saintsmissile This is all true, what would be your "diagnosis" of J.David, J.Craft and U.Young? We also signed another CB during FA... Part of the game is applying pressure. You get to the QB, he'll have less time to make a good pass, less time to find an open WR. Greating pressue will hide some defects... Hell look what the Giants did to the Pats. Made them look silly. PRESSURE... PRESSURE... PRESSURE.

03-25-2008, 11:43 AM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Who Do You Take? As the president of Josh Bullocks fan club, you'll all be eating your words!

03-25-2008, 11:48 AM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Who Do You Take? Originally Posted by saintsmissile Okay? Where was Grant and W.Smith last year? I know, I know. You're going to blame their poor sack totals on the fact that our DT's were not getting doubled making it harder for them to apply pressure. Have you ever thought that good coverage will make the opposing qb's hold the ball longer and give the DT's/DE's extra time to get to the qb? Guess not. Dude when has Grant ever been feared for his pass rushing??? NEVER. To think all of a sudden he is a mad pass rusher is nuts. Running toping DE is all he is. Verdict still out on Smith. Do you know the Rule changes over the past couple of years??? Its favors the WR's. There are even few "SHUT DOWN" corners now because of it. WR will get open against anyone if you give them enought time period. If you give the QB 3 seconds or less my grandmother will be able to cover Randy Moss. And by the way no one should look for excuses for Grant and Smith they are over paid for what they do and deserve the blame just as much as anyone else.
	E U P H O R I A

03-25-2008, 12:24 PM	#5
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Who Do You Take? Originally Posted by saintsmissile I agree about Grant and Smith. I was NOT in favor of giving Grant 65 million, I though it was nuts. However, I do feel that you have a better chance of having a good defense if you have avg DT's and above avg corners. You have above avg DT's and crappy cb's, you'll still get burned almost weekly. Well now your arguement doesn't hold water. Case in point, the past two Super Bowls were won by intense and relentless pressure on the QB that the COLTS and GIANTS applied. You may also fail to realize that Jason David was on that Colts team and has a Super Bowl ring becuase for his efforts and the pressure they applied. So if David can be on a winning SB team then we are ok because MM is a better than your average everyday CB. So lets see what could be holding us back... PRESSURE ON THE QB font 7 and SS and FS.
	E U P H O R I A

03-25-2008, 03:33 PM	#6
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Who Do You Take? Originally Posted by saintsmissile Jesus dude. How many OT's does this team need? Strief, Brown, Stinch, Bushrod. Two starters and two backups. How much more depth do you need? WASTING a top 10 pick on a position where are already two deep is foolish. In any way of thinking, it's foolish. Still say you don't draft interior DL to pass rush. If you get some of that, you're lucky. DE's are the guys you are looking for to rush the passer in a 4 three. Course, there's no point in beating a dead horse. Btw, imho, there is not ONE wr worth a first round pick this year. NONE! The best is Desean Jackson and the kid is 5'9! Shoot, if we're going to do that, why not just covert Reggie into a wr! OT or WR? My god please tell me our front office has some more common sense than that. No disrespect. Obviously you now have a personal agenda. Go away now.

03-25-2008, 05:55 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Who Do You Take? Originally Posted by saintsmissile No, I'm going to admit that both you and Pappy may be wrong. Tell you what, go check each and every media site that has a TEAM NEEDS SECTION or MOCK DRAFT and see if ANY ONE OF THEM has us picking an OT. Then, you might see the "crazy" one. Just sayin'. Who said anything about team needs? You are married to the idea of addressing needs. Our OL has been suspect. If not for Bree's we would be bad on the OL. Get some better blocking form the RB's... damn straight buddy. Look at the value you you get with Otah. See where a lot of your experts have him going... BPA??? let it go already.