Who Do You Take?

TheDeuce · 03-25-2008, 12:58 PM

Yeah Euph, everybody and their dog knows you want more pressure. What I'm saying is, that if you don't have great pressure, you are going to need better corners. If we don't get Ellis, we need to take a corner because David can't cut it.

Euphoria · 03-25-2008, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Yeah Euph, everybody and their dog knows you want more pressure. What I'm saying is, that if you don't have great pressure, you are going to need better corners. If we don't get Ellis, we need to take a corner because David can't cut it.

Then you go get the pressure you don't go get CB's. Did you read the above posts. This day in age with the rule changes its extremely hard to hold down a WR all day. You give the QB 10 seconds, a WR will get open - WILL GET OPEN against ANYBODY. CB's will get worn out as well.

If JD can get a ring and we have him then what can we do to better use him... get pressure to help a man out.

TheDeuce · 03-25-2008, 01:20 PM

I get it, you don't have to keep repeating the same thing you've been saying for months now. But how do you propose that we "get more pressure?" I've already said that we need to take Ellis or Dorsey if they're there. But if not, what are you going to do? You can't draft a DE. Drafting another LB isn't going to help with pressure, even though I'd love to see us get Rivers.

And I'd love to take up your point that it doesn't matter who you have at CB, because it sure as hell matters. Yes, pressure plays a big part in how effective they can be in coverage, but if you have a terrible CB, you're still going to get burned no matter how good the pass rush. There were so many times this season where David bit on a simple head fake and was completely toasted. Doesn't matter how much pressure we had on the QB, all he had to do was hit a wide open receiver.

It's all about balance Euph. You need to get a good pass rush, but you can't completely ignore the cornerback situation. A good pass rush helps out the corners, but the cornerback still has to cover the wide receiver. If Ellis isn't there, take a good corner.

Euphoria · 03-25-2008, 01:25 PM

again are you reading what I am saying???

I think you are just trying to ruffle my feathers now. What did i say in an earlier post to this thread???

There are other areas we can address to help us out. Nothing wrong with going WR if we can get a number one in a position instead of a 3 or 4th best at a position. Now you just want to take things out of context and creat something that isn't there.

Fact is David got a ring so what are we not doing... pressure.

TheDeuce · 03-25-2008, 01:31 PM

Yeah I'm reading what you're saying and it's a bunch of stubborn crap. "We need pressure." I agree with you. Again, what do you want us to do about it? If not drafting Ellis, what do we do? You still haven't answered that question.

And again, yes David won a ring, but he was in a Cover 2 scheme. Completely different situation. He couldn't get beat deep because he was always in his zone. Nowadays he's liable for the deep ball, and he can't stop it. We need somebody who can.

By the way, I have no idea what you just said about a WR.

Euphoria · 03-25-2008, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

I get it, you don't have to keep repeating the same thing you've been saying for months now. But how do you propose that we "get more pressure?" I've already said that we need to take Ellis or Dorsey if they're there. But if not, what are you going to do? You can't draft a DE. Drafting another LB isn't going to help with pressure, even though I'd love to see us get Rivers.

And I'd love to take up your point that it doesn't matter who you have at CB, because it sure as hell matters. Yes, pressure plays a big part in how effective they can be in coverage, but if you have a terrible CB, you're still going to get burned no matter how good the pass rush. There were so many times this season where David bit on a simple head fake and was completely toasted. Doesn't matter how much pressure we had on the QB, all he had to do was hit a wide open receiver.

It's all about balance Euph. You need to get a good pass rush, but you can't completely ignore the cornerback situation. A good pass rush helps out the corners, but the cornerback still has to cover the wide receiver. If Ellis isn't there, take a good corner.

who's ignoring anything??? I am not... ones who say CB CB CB are the ones ignoring stuff. I am not opposed to drafting other areas. CB come on... We drafted and signed players there last year and so far this year... no problem with that. We have to be a bit flexible with the 10th pick and where we want to go with this team.

Made me sick last year we couldn't get pressure on the QB to help even our best CB (MM). We suck at pass rushing, the numbers speak for themselves... and Jason David has a ring.

Oh no... just realize does Gay have a ring as well 2004. So we have all these CB's who played in big games and we are exposed because what they had when they got their rings was PRESSURE.

Come on guys this is to easy.

Euphoria · 03-25-2008, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Yeah I'm reading what you're saying and it's a bunch of stubborn crap. "We need pressure." I agree with you. Again, what do you want us to do about it? If not drafting Ellis, what do we do? You still haven't answered that question.

And again, yes David won a ring, but he was in a Cover 2 scheme. Completely different situation. He couldn't get beat deep because he was always in his zone. Nowadays he's liable for the deep ball, and he can't stop it. We need somebody who can.

By the way, I have no idea what you just said about a WR.

You really shouldn't call what you agree with as stubbon crap.

TheDeuce · 03-25-2008, 01:34 PM

You can't just say that Gay and David have rings because of pressure, that's just oversimplifying the game and missing out on the fact that they were on really good teams.

And I'm not saying CB CB CB... I'm saying we need a DT, but if we can't get one, we take a CB or a LB. CB is still a position of need. With MM out, we don't have a starting quality CB on the roster. Try to deny that.

TheDeuce · 03-25-2008, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

You really shouldn't call what you agree with as stubbon crap.

I agree with it to a point, but I haven't been babbling on about it for months. It gets old.

Euphoria · 03-25-2008, 01:37 PM

What the hell are you arguing with me for then, geez dude we agree!

But you are adding something into the equation about MM but then I pose... what would we do without Brees... then I'd say we need a QB over a CB.

03-25-2008, 12:58 PM	#31
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03-25-2008, 01:03 PM	#32
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Who Do You Take? Originally Posted by TheDeuce Yeah Euph, everybody and their dog knows you want more pressure. What I'm saying is, that if you don't have great pressure, you are going to need better corners. If we don't get Ellis, we need to take a corner because David can't cut it. Then you go get the pressure you don't go get CB's. Did you read the above posts. This day in age with the rule changes its extremely hard to hold down a WR all day. You give the QB 10 seconds, a WR will get open - WILL GET OPEN against ANYBODY. CB's will get worn out as well. If JD can get a ring and we have him then what can we do to better use him... get pressure to help a man out.

03-25-2008, 01:20 PM	#33
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Who Do You Take? I get it, you don't have to keep repeating the same thing you've been saying for months now. But how do you propose that we "get more pressure?" I've already said that we need to take Ellis or Dorsey if they're there. But if not, what are you going to do? You can't draft a DE. Drafting another LB isn't going to help with pressure, even though I'd love to see us get Rivers. And I'd love to take up your point that it doesn't matter who you have at CB, because it sure as hell matters. Yes, pressure plays a big part in how effective they can be in coverage, but if you have a terrible CB, you're still going to get burned no matter how good the pass rush. There were so many times this season where David bit on a simple head fake and was completely toasted. Doesn't matter how much pressure we had on the QB, all he had to do was hit a wide open receiver. It's all about balance Euph. You need to get a good pass rush, but you can't completely ignore the cornerback situation. A good pass rush helps out the corners, but the cornerback still has to cover the wide receiver. If Ellis isn't there, take a good corner.
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03-25-2008, 01:25 PM	#34
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Who Do You Take? again are you reading what I am saying??? I think you are just trying to ruffle my feathers now. What did i say in an earlier post to this thread??? There are other areas we can address to help us out. Nothing wrong with going WR if we can get a number one in a position instead of a 3 or 4th best at a position. Now you just want to take things out of context and creat something that isn't there. Fact is David got a ring so what are we not doing... pressure.

03-25-2008, 01:31 PM	#35
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Who Do You Take? Yeah I'm reading what you're saying and it's a bunch of stubborn crap. "We need pressure." I agree with you. Again, what do you want us to do about it? If not drafting Ellis, what do we do? You still haven't answered that question. And again, yes David won a ring, but he was in a Cover 2 scheme. Completely different situation. He couldn't get beat deep because he was always in his zone. Nowadays he's liable for the deep ball, and he can't stop it. We need somebody who can. By the way, I have no idea what you just said about a WR.
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03-25-2008, 01:32 PM	#36
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Who Do You Take? Originally Posted by TheDeuce I get it, you don't have to keep repeating the same thing you've been saying for months now. But how do you propose that we "get more pressure?" I've already said that we need to take Ellis or Dorsey if they're there. But if not, what are you going to do? You can't draft a DE. Drafting another LB isn't going to help with pressure, even though I'd love to see us get Rivers. And I'd love to take up your point that it doesn't matter who you have at CB, because it sure as hell matters. Yes, pressure plays a big part in how effective they can be in coverage, but if you have a terrible CB, you're still going to get burned no matter how good the pass rush. There were so many times this season where David bit on a simple head fake and was completely toasted. Doesn't matter how much pressure we had on the QB, all he had to do was hit a wide open receiver. It's all about balance Euph. You need to get a good pass rush, but you can't completely ignore the cornerback situation. A good pass rush helps out the corners, but the cornerback still has to cover the wide receiver. If Ellis isn't there, take a good corner. who's ignoring anything??? I am not... ones who say CB CB CB are the ones ignoring stuff. I am not opposed to drafting other areas. CB come on... We drafted and signed players there last year and so far this year... no problem with that. We have to be a bit flexible with the 10th pick and where we want to go with this team. Made me sick last year we couldn't get pressure on the QB to help even our best CB (MM). We suck at pass rushing, the numbers speak for themselves... and Jason David has a ring. Oh no... just realize does Gay have a ring as well 2004. So we have all these CB's who played in big games and we are exposed because what they had when they got their rings was PRESSURE. Come on guys this is to easy.
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03-25-2008, 01:33 PM	#37
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Who Do You Take? Originally Posted by TheDeuce Yeah I'm reading what you're saying and it's a bunch of stubborn crap. "We need pressure." I agree with you. Again, what do you want us to do about it? If not drafting Ellis, what do we do? You still haven't answered that question. And again, yes David won a ring, but he was in a Cover 2 scheme. Completely different situation. He couldn't get beat deep because he was always in his zone. Nowadays he's liable for the deep ball, and he can't stop it. We need somebody who can. By the way, I have no idea what you just said about a WR. You really shouldn't call what you agree with as stubbon crap.

03-25-2008, 01:34 PM	#38
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Who Do You Take? You can't just say that Gay and David have rings because of pressure, that's just oversimplifying the game and missing out on the fact that they were on really good teams. And I'm not saying CB CB CB... I'm saying we need a DT, but if we can't get one, we take a CB or a LB. CB is still a position of need. With MM out, we don't have a starting quality CB on the roster. Try to deny that.
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03-25-2008, 01:35 PM	#39
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Who Do You Take? Originally Posted by Euphoria You really shouldn't call what you agree with as stubbon crap. I agree with it to a point, but I haven't been babbling on about it for months. It gets old.
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03-25-2008, 01:37 PM	#40
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Who Do You Take? What the hell are you arguing with me for then, geez dude we agree! But you are adding something into the equation about MM but then I pose... what would we do without Brees... then I'd say we need a QB over a CB.