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LOOK AT THE ROSTER... they aren't listed as a NT. Get over yourselves already.

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By that same logic, someone who's listed as DL never plays tackle or end.

Nose tackle depends on positioning, and has associated resonsibilities. Think about it. Where does the NT play? A defensive tackle playing the 0 or 1 gap is a nose tackle, along with the responsibilities associated with that positioning -- for that play. The position and responsibility could change the next play.

So yes, the New Orleans Saints have nose tackles, it has nothing to do with whether we're a 4-3 or a 3-4. But there's no need to be rude here Euph.

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Whatever position you are assigned on the roster is your position.

Depending on the play you may be assinged to line up in a different 'area'. You can line up as a NT but you'd still be a DT based on your roster assignment and the base Defense.

-You can have MM go stand next to the LB's, that doesn't make him the LB he's still the CB.

-You can have FS go stand on the line just outside of Grant does that make the FS now the DE, NO makes him a blitzing FS.

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Definition

The nose tackle is a defensive alignment position for a defensive lineman in American and Canadian football. The nose tackle aligns across the line of scrimmage from the offense's center before the play begins.


4-3
In a traditional 4-3 defensive set, known as a two-gap defensive set, the nose tackle (NT) is one of two defensive tackles, usually on the weak side of the offensive line. His job is to take up the center and weak-side or pulling guard so that the smaller 'rush' end has a 1-on-1 matchup with the offense's blindside tackle. The second defensive tackle sometimes referred to as an 'under tackle', takes up the strongside guard and the strongside end takes up the strongside offensive tackle. A 1-gap scheme relies on an athletic defensive line rather than a large one and does not include a nose tackle. More modern, cover 2 schemes include either four smaller, athletic linemen, like Tony Dungy's scheme, developed in Tampa Bay; or two small, athletic ends and two nose tackles, like the scheme used by the Baltimore Ravens during their 2000 championship season.


3-4
In a 3-4 defensive scheme, the nose tackle is the sole defensive tackle, lining up directly opposite the center in the "0" position. Like the traditional 4-3, the nose tackle must occupy the center and one guard, however in the 3-4 it is typically the strongside guard. One defensive end then matches up with both the strongside tackle and tight end, while the other occupies the weakside guard and tackle. This leaves the outside linebackers free to pass-rush, creating the 3-4 scheme's distinctive pressure on the passing game.


I'm sure this clarifies everything.

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Was typing this, responding to Euph, but I see Papz has already chimed in..... thanks Papz.

-LoE

Yes, and no. Yes to the point that a NT is a DT. But it's also true that any DT lining in the the 0 or 1gap is a nose tackle -- at that moment, on that play, the DT is a NT. We often have a NT in our formations. I've seen Hollis Thomas lined up as a NT. Brian Young does too sometimes.

Don't read too much into what's listed on a roster as a players official position. That's why I brought up the example of DL. What's the position of an DL-man? Obviously it means the player has no specific spot, that he rotates between different responsibilities. But he could be an end on one play, a 3-technique tackle on another play, or a nose tackle on another. It's all about responsibilities.

None of this would have come up if you hadn't said "there's no such thing NT on a 4-3" defense. I just wanted to clarify that 4-3 or 3-4 has nothing to do with it.

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Its just a matter of nit picking.

Its real simple... follow along now. I am looking at the roster and our so call NT listed at the begining of this post is wrong. They are DT's according to the roster. Go find me an NFL team that plays a base 4-3 with a NT on it. Don't post again until you find one.

I guess if MM lines up over center he is a NT to huh, no he's a freakin CB.

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Wow... umm... nothing to see here. I encourage everyone to just move along.

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the problem is, what you posted WAS wrong, lol.

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prove it - you offer no explanation - or reasoning. At least post something instead of trying to stir trouble.

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euph,
dude chill.

DTs are kind of like forwards in basketball...the 3 and 4 are both forwards, but the 3 is considered a "small" forward and the 4 is usually called a "power" forward. heck, some coaches even call them wings! on the roster it will say forward, but it is a term used. i have often seen 1 DT on a starting line up designated as a NT (usually a big, fat, ugly guy like hollis thomas or gilbert brown). no, it is not the "official" term used on most team rosters, but it is commonly used lingo.

just like a "mike" LB or a "nickel" corner...you won't find these terms on a team roster, but they are commonly used terms