Bush wants greater success

Euphoria · 04-14-2008, 11:01 AM

I don't think anyone calls him a bust. Hell I don't think he is but he isn't the savior of this francise either. I think people had all these great expectations of him but I think he is right where he is suppose to be.

SapperSaint · 04-14-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I don't think anyone calls him a bust. Hell I don't think he is but he isn't the savior of this francise either. I think people had all these great expectations of him but I think he is right where he is suppose to be.

Great Point Euph.

Reggie was built up to be the savior of this team. We all (and I don't know many who didn't) think Reggie would be our Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders. Take us to a SuperBowl victory; carrying the entire team on his shoulders.

So much was put on this kid, by the media and by us as fans that he, more than likely, will not accomplish the goals that have been set for him... by "us".

papz · 04-14-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I don't think anyone calls him a bust. Hell I don't think he is but he isn't the savior of this francise either. I think people had all these great expectations of him but I think he is right where he is suppose to be.

A wise man once said...

Reggie Bush is a skilled player who sales jerseys -not a football player.

- Euphoria

Euphoria · 04-14-2008, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by papz

A wise man once said...

- Euphoria

Ahhh yes and those words are still very true today. Although I think Jersay sales maybe tailing off, I don't know.

pakowitz · 04-14-2008, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Ahhh yes and those words are still very true today. Although I think Jersay sales maybe tailing off, I don't know.

top 10 jersey sales for 2006

1. RB LaDainian Tomlinson (Chargers)

2. RB Reggie Bush (Saints)

3. Brian Urlacher (Bears)

4. Peyton Manning (Colts)

5. Brett Favre (Packers)

6. Tom Brady (Patriots)

7. Troy Polamalu (Steelers)

8. Vince Young (Titans)

9. Adrian Peterson (Vikings)

10. Randy Moss (Patriots)

EXTRA POINTS: Brady's sales are up 57 percent this season, according to Reebok. ... Favre's jersey is selling at a 96 percent increase from 2006.

Euphoria · 04-14-2008, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

top 10 jersey sales for 2007

1. RB LaDainian Tomlinson (Chargers)

2. RB Reggie Bush (Saints)

3. Brian Urlacher (Bears)

4. Peyton Manning (Colts)

5. Brett Favre (Packers)

6. Tom Brady (Patriots)

7. Troy Polamalu (Steelers)

8. Vince Young (Titans)

9. Adrian Peterson (Vikings)

10. Randy Moss (Patriots)

EXTRA POINTS: Brady's sales are up 57 percent this season, according to Reebok. ... Favre's jersey is selling at a 96 percent increase from 2006.

Wow slipped from 1 to 2. But do you have Bush's sales numbers for each year he's been a Saint?

pakowitz · 04-14-2008, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Wow slipped from 1 to 2. But do you have Bush's sales numbers for each year he's been a Saint?

sorry, that was for 2006

2007 looks like this

1. Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys--Not a surprise given the size of the Cowboys faithful.

2. Tom Brady, New England Patriots--Every New England fan HAS to have a Brady jersey.

3. Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers--Amazing Favre is so high given that the Packers jersey has never changed.

4. Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts--Probably most boring/generic jersey in the NFL.

5. LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego Chargers--Good running backs are always in top 10

6. Adrian Peterson, Minnesota Vikings--With Moss and Culpepper gone, Peterson fills the purple gap.

7. Eli Manning, New York Giants--With the Super Bowl win, this should climb in the off season.

8. Randy Moss, New England Patriots--Ten years ago, Moss became the only rookie to have the league's most popular jersey.

9. Brian Urlacher, Chicago Bears--The embodiment of the nation's second largest market.

10. Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh Steelers--See Urlacher. This guy is the ultimate blue collar player for a blue collar place.

11. Devin Hester, Chicago Bears--This might be the most amazing guy on this list considering he only has 20 receptions in two years. I feel pretty confident in saying I never thought a kick returner would get this high.

12. Marion Barber, Dallas Cowboys--Winning again means Cowboys fans will spread the love around.

13. Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saints--This is a huge drop for Bush. He was No. 2 last year.

14. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers--Best value for the letters.

15. Terrell Owens, Dallas Cowboys--Interesting how much Cowboys fans prefer the Romo part of the connection over Owens.

16. Jason Witten, Dallas Cowboys--At No. 82, he's the highest number on the list.

17. Brady Quinn, Cleveland Browns--Pretty good for a guy who was on the field for a couple plays this season.

18. Sean Taylor, Washington Redskins--A spot on this list is an unbelievable tribute to the late Taylor.

19. Brian Westbrook, Philadelphia Eagles--With Donovan McNabb out of favor, Philly represents through Westbrook.

20. Bob Sanders, Indianapolis Colts- Joins Urlacher, Polamalu and Taylor as the only defensive players in the Top 20.

no colston or brees or deuce

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-14-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I don't think anyone calls him a bust.

Both fans and the media ride the guy.

Hell I don't think he is but he isn't the savior of this francise either. I think people had all these great expectations of him but I think he is right where he is suppose to be.

The hype machine had dude pegged as a cross between LT and Hester. Bush is supposed to be rushing for 1500 yards, scoring TDs every time he touches the ball, breaking league TD and total yards records, and striking fear into kickoff and punt teams all through the league.

The fact of the matter is that our offense is too prolific and too frenetic for anyone to consistently get that kind of productions. Presuming that Bush averages 15 rushing touches per game, dude would have to have a 6.25 YPC average to get 1500 yards over the course of a season.

From a quick look around profootballreference.com only one back in NFL history gained those kind of yards with that high a YPC over the course of a season: Jim Brown 1963 1863 yards on 291 carries for 6.4 YPC.

It just seems that everyone wants Bush to be LT, or AP. But that's not who he is, or probably is ever going to be.

From a rushing standpoint I'd be satisfied if Bush, and the J-line, can learn to simply rush effectively when needed. If dude can get 4 to 4.5 YPC of productive yards when he rushes, I really wouldn't care if he only rushes for 70-75 YPG. That's really all the Saints need from him to be effective.

Just my half a nickel,

SFIAH

04-14-2008, 11:01 AM	#1
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Bush wants greater success I don't think anyone calls him a bust. Hell I don't think he is but he isn't the savior of this francise either. I think people had all these great expectations of him but I think he is right where he is suppose to be.

04-14-2008, 11:21 AM	#2
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Bush wants greater success Originally Posted by Euphoria I don't think anyone calls him a bust. Hell I don't think he is but he isn't the savior of this francise either. I think people had all these great expectations of him but I think he is right where he is suppose to be. Great Point Euph. Reggie was built up to be the savior of this team. We all (and I don't know many who didn't) think Reggie would be our Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders. Take us to a SuperBowl victory; carrying the entire team on his shoulders. So much was put on this kid, by the media and by us as fans that he, more than likely, will not accomplish the goals that have been set for him... by "us".

04-14-2008, 11:21 AM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: Bush wants greater success Originally Posted by Euphoria I don't think anyone calls him a bust. Hell I don't think he is but he isn't the savior of this francise either. I think people had all these great expectations of him but I think he is right where he is suppose to be. A wise man once said... Reggie Bush is a skilled player who sales jerseys -not a football player. - Euphoria

04-14-2008, 01:09 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Bush wants greater success Originally Posted by papz A wise man once said... - Euphoria Ahhh yes and those words are still very true today. Although I think Jersay sales maybe tailing off, I don't know.

04-14-2008, 01:22 PM	#5
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Bush wants greater success Originally Posted by Euphoria Ahhh yes and those words are still very true today. Although I think Jersay sales maybe tailing off, I don't know. top 10 jersey sales for 2006 1. RB LaDainian Tomlinson (Chargers) 2. RB Reggie Bush (Saints) 3. Brian Urlacher (Bears) 4. Peyton Manning (Colts) 5. Brett Favre (Packers) 6. Tom Brady (Patriots) 7. Troy Polamalu (Steelers) 8. Vince Young (Titans) 9. Adrian Peterson (Vikings) 10. Randy Moss (Patriots) EXTRA POINTS: Brady's sales are up 57 percent this season, according to Reebok. ... Favre's jersey is selling at a 96 percent increase from 2006.
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04-14-2008, 01:37 PM	#6
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Bush wants greater success Originally Posted by pakowitz top 10 jersey sales for 2007 1. RB LaDainian Tomlinson (Chargers) 2. RB Reggie Bush (Saints) 3. Brian Urlacher (Bears) 4. Peyton Manning (Colts) 5. Brett Favre (Packers) 6. Tom Brady (Patriots) 7. Troy Polamalu (Steelers) 8. Vince Young (Titans) 9. Adrian Peterson (Vikings) 10. Randy Moss (Patriots) EXTRA POINTS: Brady's sales are up 57 percent this season, according to Reebok. ... Favre's jersey is selling at a 96 percent increase from 2006. Wow slipped from 1 to 2. But do you have Bush's sales numbers for each year he's been a Saint?

04-14-2008, 03:12 PM	#7
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Bush wants greater success Originally Posted by Euphoria Wow slipped from 1 to 2. But do you have Bush's sales numbers for each year he's been a Saint? sorry, that was for 2006 2007 looks like this 1. Tony Romo, Dallas Cowboys--Not a surprise given the size of the Cowboys faithful. 2. Tom Brady, New England Patriots--Every New England fan HAS to have a Brady jersey. 3. Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers--Amazing Favre is so high given that the Packers jersey has never changed. 4. Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts--Probably most boring/generic jersey in the NFL. 5. LaDainian Tomlinson, San Diego Chargers--Good running backs are always in top 10 6. Adrian Peterson, Minnesota Vikings--With Moss and Culpepper gone, Peterson fills the purple gap. 7. Eli Manning, New York Giants--With the Super Bowl win, this should climb in the off season. 8. Randy Moss, New England Patriots--Ten years ago, Moss became the only rookie to have the league's most popular jersey. 9. Brian Urlacher, Chicago Bears--The embodiment of the nation's second largest market. 10. Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh Steelers--See Urlacher. This guy is the ultimate blue collar player for a blue collar place. 11. Devin Hester, Chicago Bears--This might be the most amazing guy on this list considering he only has 20 receptions in two years. I feel pretty confident in saying I never thought a kick returner would get this high. 12. Marion Barber, Dallas Cowboys--Winning again means Cowboys fans will spread the love around. 13. Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saints--This is a huge drop for Bush. He was No. 2 last year. 14. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers--Best value for the letters. 15. Terrell Owens, Dallas Cowboys--Interesting how much Cowboys fans prefer the Romo part of the connection over Owens. 16. Jason Witten, Dallas Cowboys--At No. 82, he's the highest number on the list. 17. Brady Quinn, Cleveland Browns--Pretty good for a guy who was on the field for a couple plays this season. 18. Sean Taylor, Washington Redskins--A spot on this list is an unbelievable tribute to the late Taylor. 19. Brian Westbrook, Philadelphia Eagles--With Donovan McNabb out of favor, Philly represents through Westbrook. 20. Bob Sanders, Indianapolis Colts- Joins Urlacher, Polamalu and Taylor as the only defensive players in the Top 20. no colston or brees or deuce
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04-14-2008, 03:41 PM	#8
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,786	Re: Bush wants greater success Originally Posted by Euphoria I don't think anyone calls him a bust. Both fans and the media ride the guy. Hell I don't think he is but he isn't the savior of this francise either. I think people had all these great expectations of him but I think he is right where he is suppose to be. The hype machine had dude pegged as a cross between LT and Hester. Bush is supposed to be rushing for 1500 yards, scoring TDs every time he touches the ball, breaking league TD and total yards records, and striking fear into kickoff and punt teams all through the league. The fact of the matter is that our offense is too prolific and too frenetic for anyone to consistently get that kind of productions. Presuming that Bush averages 15 rushing touches per game, dude would have to have a 6.25 YPC average to get 1500 yards over the course of a season. From a quick look around profootballreference.com only one back in NFL history gained those kind of yards with that high a YPC over the course of a season: Jim Brown 1963 1863 yards on 291 carries for 6.4 YPC. It just seems that everyone wants Bush to be LT, or AP. But that's not who he is, or probably is ever going to be. From a rushing standpoint I'd be satisfied if Bush, and the J-line, can learn to simply rush effectively when needed. If dude can get 4 to 4.5 YPC of productive yards when he rushes, I really wouldn't care if he only rushes for 70-75 YPG. That's really all the Saints need from him to be effective. Just my half a nickel, SFIAH
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