Saints Eyeing TE?

pakowitz · 04-15-2008, 01:19 AM

actually we made the giants n offer n the countered back with the 2nd and harper.. they would jump all over that deal b/c they have a serious need at safety even though they signed sammy knight...

man.. if we offered them our 2nd and bullocks, i would be happy cuz i dont want bullocks seeing the field for us ever again... i cant take seeing him bite on playaction anymore....

thesaintsfan · 04-15-2008, 05:12 AM

Yeah I know what you mean. I thought Bullocks showed some promise early in his career but he's pretty much hit the wall and I don't see him getting much better. He's a classic example of a fine athlete who doesn't have football instincts. Harper on the other hand has instincts but he's a limited athlete. Go figure. One safety can run fast but doesn't have a clue where to go and the other one knows where to go but isn't fast enough to get there in time to make a play. Only the Saints could put together such a hapless duo.

Saint_LB · 04-15-2008, 07:04 AM

Yeah...I think it's a great idea to give up a 2nd round pick and a proven player to pick up a player who became expendable due to the arrival of a 5th round pick out of W. Oregon. That would show that our FO had some real brains.

No sense in our scouts going out and beating the bushes for a young, stud TE to draft when we can get a guy who has a rep. for being a me-first, oft-injured, hot-head with poop for brains.

Shockey will be OK in N.O. until the wheels on the cart start wobbling a bit, and then we will find out just how good of a coach that Payton is. How, you say? Mr. Shockey will let us know.

It's just a good thing that things hardly ever go wrong in N.O.......

saintsfan1976 · 04-15-2008, 08:07 AM

All good points everyone.

Remember how well Drew did with Antonio Gates at TE??? Payton has been looking for that type of guy to compliment Drew since he took over. That obviously hasn't happened yet, but at least none of the fill in TE's have gotten long term deals.

And as far as Shockey goes...unless any of you have spent time in the Giants' locker room for the past four years I don't think your able to dismiss him as a "cancer". The guy is a stud player and needs a new team. Hey, if T.O. and Moss can do it (both with pro bowl QB's) then Shockey can man up to play for Drew Brees.

FrenzyFan · 04-15-2008, 08:52 AM

A lot of arguments made here that assert that TE is the "missing piece" of our offense. I have to assume you all really believe that, but for the life of me I cannot remember any team ever that had a TE added to the roster and suddenly everything came together. I've seen that scenario with an RB, with a QB, with an LB, even with a DT.... but never with a TE.

I wouldn't pay anything higher than a 3rd rnd pick for Shockey and nothing from next years draft. I think we need a better TE, but I simply cannot wrap my head around the idea that "if we just had a TE, we'd be deadly"

hagan714 · 04-15-2008, 09:04 AM

Round three should do just fine.
Martellus Bennett, Texas A&M is my guy this year but he may not make it of the second.
or
Brad Cottam, Tennessee in the third

I want hands and blocking skills please

BRSaintsFan · 04-15-2008, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by thesaintsfan

My bad pak. I looked for it to see if it was already out there but I didn't see it. Oh well.

BRSaintsFan what round do you think we should take a TE? You said that you would like to see us take Kellen Davis in the later rounds but I don't see him falling to the second day. From what I've heard he's climbimg up the charts and might go mid second. I saw him at his workouts and he passes the eyeball test with flying colors! What an animal!

Just about all of this year's TEs are one dimensional because there aren't very many players who are big and strong enough to block and fast enough to be a factor in the passing game. I think we can afford to get a pure pass catching TE because we have Campbell and Miller who can be used as blockers. If you look around the league you'll see that the teams with big time pass catching tight ends also have a blocking specialist. The Ravens have Heap and Quinn Sypniewski, the Browns have Winslow Jr and Steve Heiden, the Chiefs had Gonzalez and Jason Dunn, and the Chargers have Gates and Brandon Manumaleuna.

Im not that high on Davis as a first day pick. He certainly looks the part but the production isn't there and I think he is more of a developmental prospect at the position. I think we have that receiving/blocking combination albeit not the same caliber as the names you have mentioned above. I just think that there is too much qulaity at other key positions that can be found in those middle rounds. I would advocate not selecting a TE until the 5th round or so. Alot of people point to the production and connection between Brees and Gates. However, I think that our wideouts are a step above what the Chargers had when Brees was there. Certainly, a shorter QB who likes to get rid of the ball quick and spreads it around would benefit from having a TE that could open up the seams in the defense, but at the expense of losing out on another player at a position of need isnt worth it for me.

stockman311 · 04-15-2008, 11:59 AM

Our offense is fine. Damn. Our TE's are more than servicable.

We need Defense! No drafting offense. We need CB, DT, LB in any order. I really can't fathom any other opinions at this point. Time has not made me forget just how God Awful our D played last year.

Champ Kind · 04-15-2008, 12:01 PM

Not sure if this has been brought up, but if you look at our 2 starting TE's right now, they were both WR's in college. That says to me that they are not good blockers, and are 1 dimensional, and honestly, Johnson doesn't really have great hands for a receiving TE. I don't think it's a stretch to say we need a TE.

I think it would be a steal to get Bennett, Cottam, or Davis in the 3rd, although it's not definite that they will be good pros.
Getting Shockey would be a DEFINITE upgrade, however, the asking price is steep.
I can't wait till the 26th.

zachsaints52 · 04-15-2008, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

A lot of arguments made here that assert that TE is the "missing piece" of our offense. I have to assume you all really believe that, but for the life of me I cannot remember any team ever that had a TE added to the roster and suddenly everything came together. I've seen that scenario with an RB, with a QB, with an LB, even with a DT.... but never with a TE.

I wouldn't pay anything higher than a 3rd rnd pick for Shockey and nothing from next years draft. I think we need a better TE, but I simply cannot wrap my head around the idea that "if we just had a TE, we'd be deadly"

Not turning around but I think Tony G. in KC is the only reason why they have been decent these past years. He has been a good blocker for the run game and gets 90ish catches while being double covered. Now that he has Bowe who is looking good add a WR to the other side and see how it works. But Tony has always been a team first guy so I can't really argue it right? I say go for Shockey but don't make it look desperate just to get him.

04-15-2008, 01:19 AM	#11
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? actually we made the giants n offer n the countered back with the 2nd and harper.. they would jump all over that deal b/c they have a serious need at safety even though they signed sammy knight... man.. if we offered them our 2nd and bullocks, i would be happy cuz i dont want bullocks seeing the field for us ever again... i cant take seeing him bite on playaction anymore....

04-15-2008, 05:12 AM	#12
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? Yeah I know what you mean. I thought Bullocks showed some promise early in his career but he's pretty much hit the wall and I don't see him getting much better. He's a classic example of a fine athlete who doesn't have football instincts. Harper on the other hand has instincts but he's a limited athlete. Go figure. One safety can run fast but doesn't have a clue where to go and the other one knows where to go but isn't fast enough to get there in time to make a play. Only the Saints could put together such a hapless duo.
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04-15-2008, 07:04 AM	#13
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? Yeah...I think it's a great idea to give up a 2nd round pick and a proven player to pick up a player who became expendable due to the arrival of a 5th round pick out of W. Oregon. That would show that our FO had some real brains. No sense in our scouts going out and beating the bushes for a young, stud TE to draft when we can get a guy who has a rep. for being a me-first, oft-injured, hot-head with poop for brains. Shockey will be OK in N.O. until the wheels on the cart start wobbling a bit, and then we will find out just how good of a coach that Payton is. How, you say? Mr. Shockey will let us know. It's just a good thing that things hardly ever go wrong in N.O.......
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04-15-2008, 08:07 AM	#14
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,849 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? All good points everyone. Remember how well Drew did with Antonio Gates at TE??? Payton has been looking for that type of guy to compliment Drew since he took over. That obviously hasn't happened yet, but at least none of the fill in TE's have gotten long term deals. And as far as Shockey goes...unless any of you have spent time in the Giants' locker room for the past four years I don't think your able to dismiss him as a "cancer". The guy is a stud player and needs a new team. Hey, if T.O. and Moss can do it (both with pro bowl QB's) then Shockey can man up to play for Drew Brees.

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FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? A lot of arguments made here that assert that TE is the "missing piece" of our offense. I have to assume you all really believe that, but for the life of me I cannot remember any team ever that had a TE added to the roster and suddenly everything came together. I've seen that scenario with an RB, with a QB, with an LB, even with a DT.... but never with a TE. I wouldn't pay anything higher than a 3rd rnd pick for Shockey and nothing from next years draft. I think we need a better TE, but I simply cannot wrap my head around the idea that "if we just had a TE, we'd be deadly"
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04-15-2008, 09:04 AM	#16
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? Round three should do just fine. Martellus Bennett, Texas A&M is my guy this year but he may not make it of the second. or Brad Cottam, Tennessee in the third I want hands and blocking skills please

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BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? Originally Posted by thesaintsfan My bad pak. I looked for it to see if it was already out there but I didn't see it. Oh well. BRSaintsFan what round do you think we should take a TE? You said that you would like to see us take Kellen Davis in the later rounds but I don't see him falling to the second day. From what I've heard he's climbimg up the charts and might go mid second. I saw him at his workouts and he passes the eyeball test with flying colors! What an animal! Just about all of this year's TEs are one dimensional because there aren't very many players who are big and strong enough to block and fast enough to be a factor in the passing game. I think we can afford to get a pure pass catching TE because we have Campbell and Miller who can be used as blockers. If you look around the league you'll see that the teams with big time pass catching tight ends also have a blocking specialist. The Ravens have Heap and Quinn Sypniewski, the Browns have Winslow Jr and Steve Heiden, the Chiefs had Gonzalez and Jason Dunn, and the Chargers have Gates and Brandon Manumaleuna. Im not that high on Davis as a first day pick. He certainly looks the part but the production isn't there and I think he is more of a developmental prospect at the position. I think we have that receiving/blocking combination albeit not the same caliber as the names you have mentioned above. I just think that there is too much qulaity at other key positions that can be found in those middle rounds. I would advocate not selecting a TE until the 5th round or so. Alot of people point to the production and connection between Brees and Gates. However, I think that our wideouts are a step above what the Chargers had when Brees was there. Certainly, a shorter QB who likes to get rid of the ball quick and spreads it around would benefit from having a TE that could open up the seams in the defense, but at the expense of losing out on another player at a position of need isnt worth it for me.

04-15-2008, 11:59 AM	#18
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? Our offense is fine. Damn. Our TE's are more than servicable. We need Defense! No drafting offense. We need CB, DT, LB in any order. I really can't fathom any other opinions at this point. Time has not made me forget just how God Awful our D played last year.

04-15-2008, 12:01 PM	#19
Champ Kind Nachooooooooooo Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Shreveport Posts: 71	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? Not sure if this has been brought up, but if you look at our 2 starting TE's right now, they were both WR's in college. That says to me that they are not good blockers, and are 1 dimensional, and honestly, Johnson doesn't really have great hands for a receiving TE. I don't think it's a stretch to say we need a TE. I think it would be a steal to get Bennett, Cottam, or Davis in the 3rd, although it's not definite that they will be good pros. Getting Shockey would be a DEFINITE upgrade, however, the asking price is steep. I can't wait till the 26th.

04-15-2008, 12:06 PM	#20
zachsaints52 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Abingdon, Virginia Posts: 522	Re: Saints Eyeing TE? Originally Posted by FrenzyFan A lot of arguments made here that assert that TE is the "missing piece" of our offense. I have to assume you all really believe that, but for the life of me I cannot remember any team ever that had a TE added to the roster and suddenly everything came together. I've seen that scenario with an RB, with a QB, with an LB, even with a DT.... but never with a TE. I wouldn't pay anything higher than a 3rd rnd pick for Shockey and nothing from next years draft. I think we need a better TE, but I simply cannot wrap my head around the idea that "if we just had a TE, we'd be deadly" Not turning around but I think Tony G. in KC is the only reason why they have been decent these past years. He has been a good blocker for the run game and gets 90ish catches while being double covered. Now that he has Bowe who is looking good add a WR to the other side and see how it works. But Tony has always been a team first guy so I can't really argue it right? I say go for Shockey but don't make it look desperate just to get him.