Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!

BRSaintsFan · 04-18-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

Good points, but I have to stand on the idea that I'm not comfortable giving up Rivers (assuming he would be our guy) and our second round pick in this draft, for Dorsey. The argument that you may not get an upgrade for this year applies to every singly draft pick, including the #1 over all. You can look at examples of this everywhere and at every position on the field. The NFL level game is nothing like the college game and therefore there are no guarantees.

It's all a bunch of what-ifs, and I recognize that. Still feel like our defense needs more urgent help at CB and at LB than at DT. I think Dorsey will be great, just not sure if his skills can compensate for all our weaknesses. It might be better idea to keep our two early picks and try to fill more holes.

I like a great DT but when I think of the keys to great defenses, I think of LBs. For every "Mean Joe" Green, you have Ham and Lambert. I couldn't remember the name of the NT during the dome patrol years (had to look it up - Jim Wilks), but I can tell you the names of all four LBs.

Just my two cents.

Fair points about the two picks. But my stance is that you have a surefire pick in Dorsey (I know some debate that, but I still hold firm). Again, Rivers is a great prospect (not as good as Willis last year), but Rivers weakness may be that he is more of a speed LB than a physical one and does not enjoy having to shed blockers to get to the ball. If we do not have anyone in the trenches that can free up Vilma and assuming Rivers, then you are in effect neutralizing those guys strengths and ability to get to the ball. I just do not believe that any of the DTs after Dorsey and Ellis can make that sort of an impact. You could argue that Rivers gives us an additional pass rush in a variety of blitz packages, but getting McCray allows us to potentially put together a pass rush line including McCray and Smith on the side and Grant and Dorsey on the inside. That would be a huge blessing for our secondary and you would still be able to get a speed LB in round 3 if perhaps Tavares Gooden falls, Highsmith (he plays faster than timed and is an excellent blitzer and pass rusher), Geno Hayes (known for making plays in the backfield), or Jordan Dizon (another strong blitzer). Outside of Gooden, I dont see the chances of any of those guys taking over at LB full time, but would be a good change of pace for Shanle on blitz situations. Im high on Hayes for that role because of his explosiveness and he is a solid coverage LB.

04-18-2008, 04:31 PM	#11
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by FrenzyFan Good points, but I have to stand on the idea that I'm not comfortable giving up Rivers (assuming he would be our guy) and our second round pick in this draft, for Dorsey. The argument that you may not get an upgrade for this year applies to every singly draft pick, including the #1 over all. You can look at examples of this everywhere and at every position on the field. The NFL level game is nothing like the college game and therefore there are no guarantees. It's all a bunch of what-ifs, and I recognize that. Still feel like our defense needs more urgent help at CB and at LB than at DT. I think Dorsey will be great, just not sure if his skills can compensate for all our weaknesses. It might be better idea to keep our two early picks and try to fill more holes. I like a great DT but when I think of the keys to great defenses, I think of LBs. For every "Mean Joe" Green, you have Ham and Lambert. I couldn't remember the name of the NT during the dome patrol years (had to look it up - Jim Wilks), but I can tell you the names of all four LBs. Just my two cents. Fair points about the two picks. But my stance is that you have a surefire pick in Dorsey (I know some debate that, but I still hold firm). Again, Rivers is a great prospect (not as good as Willis last year), but Rivers weakness may be that he is more of a speed LB than a physical one and does not enjoy having to shed blockers to get to the ball. If we do not have anyone in the trenches that can free up Vilma and assuming Rivers, then you are in effect neutralizing those guys strengths and ability to get to the ball. I just do not believe that any of the DTs after Dorsey and Ellis can make that sort of an impact. You could argue that Rivers gives us an additional pass rush in a variety of blitz packages, but getting McCray allows us to potentially put together a pass rush line including McCray and Smith on the side and Grant and Dorsey on the inside. That would be a huge blessing for our secondary and you would still be able to get a speed LB in round 3 if perhaps Tavares Gooden falls, Highsmith (he plays faster than timed and is an excellent blitzer and pass rusher), Geno Hayes (known for making plays in the backfield), or Jordan Dizon (another strong blitzer). Outside of Gooden, I dont see the chances of any of those guys taking over at LB full time, but would be a good change of pace for Shanle on blitz situations. Im high on Hayes for that role because of his explosiveness and he is a solid coverage LB.