Saints Offer J. Brown for #2 update on pg 19!!!

beauchristopher · 04-19-2008, 12:11 AM

dorsey to the saints is a dream. it just fits perfectly.. but i don't think we should give up too much to move up.. altho all the free agent signing could allow us to do so.. i just like the value in rounds 2-5..

on rivers.. he is very good, but he wasn't even the best linebacker at usc..

Euphoria · 04-19-2008, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by beauchristopher

dorsey to the saints is a dream. it just fits perfectly.. but i don't think we should give up too much to move up.. altho all the free agent signing could allow us to do so.. i just like the value in rounds 2-5..

on rivers.. he is very good, but he wasn't even the best linebacker at usc..

Its a week draft class. The only reason to trade back is to get picks for next year. Move up and take the elite players in this draft or stock pile for next year.

BRSaintsFan · 04-19-2008, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Its a week draft class. The only reason to trade back is to get picks for next year. Move up and take the elite players in this draft or stock pile for next year.

Agreed...I am not a big advocate of trading down for more picks unless you are trying to rebuild a team (Atlanta, Miami). What this team needs is not 10 picks and hoping that of those 10, half make the final cut, and 2 or 3 develop into decent starters. You need to target the guys that you want and be aggressive in going after them, not trade back and wait to see what falls to you.

Euphoria · 04-19-2008, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan

Agreed...I am not a big advocate of trading down for more picks unless you are trying to rebuild a team (Atlanta, Miami). What this team needs is not 10 picks and hoping that of those 10, half make the final cut, and 2 or 3 develop into decent starters. You need to target the guys that you want and be aggressive in going after them, not trade back and wait to see what falls to you.

Agreed, At this point depth is over-rated. We need some big time starters to come in. We don't have a lot of time to develop to many picks.

CantonLegend · 04-19-2008, 11:26 PM

The saints need to draft the highest player available at 10 and not risk losing their second round pick which may be the player we are looking for.....and/or next years first round pick which will almost certainly be more valuable than ne player in this year's draft!

Euphoria · 04-20-2008, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

The saints need to draft the highest player available at 10 and not risk losing their second round pick which may be the player we are looking for.....and/or next years first round pick which will almost certainly be more valuable than ne player in this year's draft!

Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up???

or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY!

CantonLegend · 04-20-2008, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up???

or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY!

Dorseys talent isnt in question....moving up to 2 to get him would cost the saints too much....what we would give up to get him isnt worth it....if he happens to fall it would be well worth it to trade to 7 or 8....but even ellis would be a great pickup at 10.....after watching some clips of him in the national championship game....i just found that a bigger line like OSU or lines in the NFL would be able to block him much easier....even the double teams only consisted of a man-up and another hand from the next lineman....he has great quickness and great hand movements but to sacrifice next years 1st rounder isnt going to be worth it

FrenzyFan · 04-21-2008, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up???

or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY!

Let's try to keep a little perspective. Writing off a second round pick as an automatic "average player or backup" is ridiculous. I could spend the time giving examples of guys who went in the second round who were hall of famers. I could also show a bunch of guys who went in much later rounds and who are best-of-the-best at their position and likely hall-of-famers.

There's certainly some risk in moving up, but I can understand the thinking behind it. There are also some good arguments to stand where we are in the draft. Neither idea is one I would consider foolish, when based upon reasoned points.

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BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by Euphoria Its a week draft class. The only reason to trade back is to get picks for next year. Move up and take the elite players in this draft or stock pile for next year. Agreed...I am not a big advocate of trading down for more picks unless you are trying to rebuild a team (Atlanta, Miami). What this team needs is not 10 picks and hoping that of those 10, half make the final cut, and 2 or 3 develop into decent starters. You need to target the guys that you want and be aggressive in going after them, not trade back and wait to see what falls to you.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by BRSaintsFan Agreed...I am not a big advocate of trading down for more picks unless you are trying to rebuild a team (Atlanta, Miami). What this team needs is not 10 picks and hoping that of those 10, half make the final cut, and 2 or 3 develop into decent starters. You need to target the guys that you want and be aggressive in going after them, not trade back and wait to see what falls to you. Agreed, At this point depth is over-rated. We need some big time starters to come in. We don't have a lot of time to develop to many picks.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend The saints need to draft the highest player available at 10 and not risk losing their second round pick which may be the player we are looking for.....and/or next years first round pick which will almost certainly be more valuable than ne player in this year's draft! Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up??? or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY!

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by beauchristopher dorsey to the saints is a dream. it just fits perfectly.. but i don't think we should give up too much to move up.. altho all the free agent signing could allow us to do so.. i just like the value in rounds 2-5.. on rivers.. he is very good, but he wasn't even the best linebacker at usc.. Its a week draft class. The only reason to trade back is to get picks for next year. Move up and take the elite players in this draft or stock pile for next year.

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CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by Euphoria Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up??? or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY! Dorseys talent isnt in question....moving up to 2 to get him would cost the saints too much....what we would give up to get him isnt worth it....if he happens to fall it would be well worth it to trade to 7 or 8....but even ellis would be a great pickup at 10.....after watching some clips of him in the national championship game....i just found that a bigger line like OSU or lines in the NFL would be able to block him much easier....even the double teams only consisted of a man-up and another hand from the next lineman....he has great quickness and great hand movements but to sacrifice next years 1st rounder isnt going to be worth it
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FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: Saints Trying To Move Up To #2!!! Originally Posted by Euphoria Draft a player with the second pick who will need time to develop into an average player or back up??? or Dorsey a dominate player who will start day one... hmmm decisions, decisions, DORSEY! Let's try to keep a little perspective. Writing off a second round pick as an automatic "average player or backup" is ridiculous. I could spend the time giving examples of guys who went in the second round who were hall of famers. I could also show a bunch of guys who went in much later rounds and who are best-of-the-best at their position and likely hall-of-famers. There's certainly some risk in moving up, but I can understand the thinking behind it. There are also some good arguments to stand where we are in the draft. Neither idea is one I would consider foolish, when based upon reasoned points.
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