Euph: This one's for you.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-20-2008, 09:38 AM

Sal Paolantonio echos what we've been saying all along.

ESPN - Raiders will regret spending millions on "average" Hall - NFL

A lot about Hall and other supposed shutdown corners. But the numbers don't lie:

Let's look at the San Francisco 49ers. In 2007, they jumped at the chance to sign Clements from the Buffalo Bills. The Niners' deal with Clements was eight years for $80 million. And what did the Niners get? From 2006 to 2007, the opposition's passing yards went up (from 3,817 to 3,826), interceptions went down (from 14 to 12) and sacks went down (34 to 31). And that's with the NFL's defensive rookie of the year, linebacker Patrick Willis.

It's obvious what the Niners really needed -- a pass rush. That's why coach Mike Nolan persuaded his front office to sign defensive end Justin Smith from the Bengals. Did the Niners overpay for Smith, who had just two sacks last season? Maybe so. But they had no choice. You can cover all day, but if you can't rush the passer, you're not going to win in today's NFL.

Here's more evidence. In 2007, the Detroit Lions traded corner Dre' Bly to the Denver Broncos.

And what happened? The Broncos' pass defense promptly got worse. It surrendered more touchdown passes: 13 in 2006, 25 in 2007. Denver's interceptions went down (17 in 2006, 14 in 2007). So did sacks (35 in 2006, 33 in 2007).

In 2007, Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian, who never gets enticed by free-agent seductions, let cornerback Jason David walk away. Another smart move by Polian. David was signed by the New Orleans Saints for four years, $16.5 million.

And, you guessed it, the New Orleans pass defense went downhill. The opposition passed for more yards: 3,122 in 2006 to 4,122 in 2007. Completion percentage was up: 56.3 in 2006 to 62.4 in 2007. Touchdown passes surrendered were up, too: 26 in 2006, 32 in 2007.

Why? Sacks were down. The Saints had just 32 sacks in 2007, after collecting 38 the year before David arrived.

What's more, in 2007, New Orleans allowed 15 pass plays of at least 40 yards -- tying the Baltimore Ravens for most in the league, according to Elias.

The Saints pick in the first round needs to be an impact player that can improve the pass rush. Anything else, especially a corner, is a mistake.

Euph, this one's for you.

SFIAH

Euphoria · 04-20-2008, 10:30 AM

Good find!!!

I am starting to think this guy got in this forum and read my post for the article, lol. Its almost exactly what I have been saying! I even pointed out Giants do not have 'shutdown corners' against the most prolific offense in NFL history. Its about getting to the QB. People put to much on the flashy players but the game was ment to be played in the trenches. Sure those flashy players can win games and bring some excitement to the game but its going to come down to the trenches when it counts!

There was the other article with Dungy also being a CB and now a coach and he doesn't care much for CB's you would think he would being one... nope he knows pass rush, pass rush, pass rush will make most any CB look good, JD has a SB ring! We need to take a page out of these guys play book, hell we got some of their players, why aren't they successfull in New Orleans... hmmm 2 words for ya - pass rush.

saintsfan1976 · 04-21-2008, 02:58 PM

I'm converted. No more CB talk from me, I promise LOL.

Euphoria · 04-21-2008, 03:14 PM

LOL - This isn't good when my name is in the subject title of a post this early into a season.

I thought I was getting a beer!?!?

saintsfan1976 · 04-21-2008, 03:21 PM

LOL. Dude, from my short time at B&G, EUPHORIA and PASS RUSH have become synonymous in my thinking..... LOL

Okay, if we get the Dorsey deal done I'll send you a bottle of Gruet Champagne to Hollywood....

rjakapeanut · 04-21-2008, 03:23 PM

it still doesn't take away from teh fact that we need some new blood. McKenzie is no spring chicken.

Euphoria · 04-21-2008, 03:25 PM

Yeah well our DT's are more hurting age wise than our CB's are.

Plus getting the draft over for me early will help because I have to run to Chula Vista - San Diego that night... sitting first row for the Def Leppard concert that night. LMAO.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 04-21-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

LOL - This isn't good when my name is in the subject title of a post this early into a season.

I thought I was getting a beer!?!?

If we ever cross paths I'll buy you one.

SFIAH

Euphoria · 04-21-2008, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

LOL. Dude, from my short time at B&G, EUPHORIA and PASS RUSH have become synonymous in my thinking..... LOL

Okay, if we get the Dorsey deal done I'll send you a bottle of Gruet Champagne to Hollywood....

I just may hold you to that!!!

SFIAH - I think you are safe. I don't plan on being in GA anytime soon. But don't visit PA, FLA, LA to often and I think you are even safer.

04-20-2008, 09:38 AM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Euph: This one's for you. Sal Paolantonio echos what we've been saying all along. ESPN - Raiders will regret spending millions on "average" Hall - NFL A lot about Hall and other supposed shutdown corners. But the numbers don't lie: Let's look at the San Francisco 49ers. In 2007, they jumped at the chance to sign Clements from the Buffalo Bills. The Niners' deal with Clements was eight years for $80 million. And what did the Niners get? From 2006 to 2007, the opposition's passing yards went up (from 3,817 to 3,826), interceptions went down (from 14 to 12) and sacks went down (34 to 31). And that's with the NFL's defensive rookie of the year, linebacker Patrick Willis. It's obvious what the Niners really needed -- a pass rush. That's why coach Mike Nolan persuaded his front office to sign defensive end Justin Smith from the Bengals. Did the Niners overpay for Smith, who had just two sacks last season? Maybe so. But they had no choice. You can cover all day, but if you can't rush the passer, you're not going to win in today's NFL. Here's more evidence. In 2007, the Detroit Lions traded corner Dre' Bly to the Denver Broncos. And what happened? The Broncos' pass defense promptly got worse. It surrendered more touchdown passes: 13 in 2006, 25 in 2007. Denver's interceptions went down (17 in 2006, 14 in 2007). So did sacks (35 in 2006, 33 in 2007). In 2007, Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian, who never gets enticed by free-agent seductions, let cornerback Jason David walk away. Another smart move by Polian. David was signed by the New Orleans Saints for four years, $16.5 million. And, you guessed it, the New Orleans pass defense went downhill. The opposition passed for more yards: 3,122 in 2006 to 4,122 in 2007. Completion percentage was up: 56.3 in 2006 to 62.4 in 2007. Touchdown passes surrendered were up, too: 26 in 2006, 32 in 2007. Why? Sacks were down. The Saints had just 32 sacks in 2007, after collecting 38 the year before David arrived. What's more, in 2007, New Orleans allowed 15 pass plays of at least 40 yards -- tying the Baltimore Ravens for most in the league, according to Elias. The Saints pick in the first round needs to be an impact player that can improve the pass rush. Anything else, especially a corner, is a mistake. Euph, this one's for you. SFIAH

04-20-2008, 10:30 AM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Euph: This one's for you. Good find!!! I am starting to think this guy got in this forum and read my post for the article, lol. Its almost exactly what I have been saying! I even pointed out Giants do not have 'shutdown corners' against the most prolific offense in NFL history. Its about getting to the QB. People put to much on the flashy players but the game was ment to be played in the trenches. Sure those flashy players can win games and bring some excitement to the game but its going to come down to the trenches when it counts! There was the other article with Dungy also being a CB and now a coach and he doesn't care much for CB's you would think he would being one... nope he knows pass rush, pass rush, pass rush will make most any CB look good, JD has a SB ring! We need to take a page out of these guys play book, hell we got some of their players, why aren't they successfull in New Orleans... hmmm 2 words for ya - pass rush.
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04-21-2008, 02:58 PM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,530 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Euph: This one's for you. I'm converted. No more CB talk from me, I promise LOL.

04-21-2008, 03:14 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Euph: This one's for you. LOL - This isn't good when my name is in the subject title of a post this early into a season. I thought I was getting a beer!?!?

04-21-2008, 03:21 PM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,530 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Euph: This one's for you. LOL. Dude, from my short time at B&G, EUPHORIA and PASS RUSH have become synonymous in my thinking..... LOL Okay, if we get the Dorsey deal done I'll send you a bottle of Gruet Champagne to Hollywood....

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04-21-2008, 03:25 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Euph: This one's for you. Yeah well our DT's are more hurting age wise than our CB's are. Plus getting the draft over for me early will help because I have to run to Chula Vista - San Diego that night... sitting first row for the Def Leppard concert that night. LMAO.
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04-21-2008, 04:19 PM	#8
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Euph: This one's for you. Originally Posted by Euphoria LOL - This isn't good when my name is in the subject title of a post this early into a season. I thought I was getting a beer!?!? If we ever cross paths I'll buy you one. SFIAH

04-21-2008, 05:06 PM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Euph: This one's for you. Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 LOL. Dude, from my short time at B&G, EUPHORIA and PASS RUSH have become synonymous in my thinking..... LOL Okay, if we get the Dorsey deal done I'll send you a bottle of Gruet Champagne to Hollywood.... I just may hold you to that!!! SFIAH - I think you are safe. I don't plan on being in GA anytime soon. But don't visit PA, FLA, LA to often and I think you are even safer.